Mahouka LN - Yotsuba Inheritance Arc (Volume 16) Discussion / Poll

[bpko]

Originally Posted by Ultragunner

wait what??? So Katsuhige just randomly attacks the siblings and then don't give a damn? Not even a brief explanation ?

For a little clarification:

Spoiler for Fight:

There are negotiations between the two groups rather than a free-for-all. Tatsuya's side has Miyuki and Minami; Katsushige's side has kotona and what's his face. They both agree to a fight between Tats vs both Kotona and what's his face. The winner determines whether Tatsuya's group will be allowed to proceed on to the Main House.

The negotiations took place in order for the Yotsuba head candidates not to be injured and are thus excluded from the fight.

Katsushige sneaks in an attack on Tatsuya. Which Miyuki demands an explanation for. Katsushige does not want to explain and asks to wait till after the meeting. In the meeting we find out that he wants to marry Kotona. I guess he couldn't stand seeing Tatsuya almost injure her.

[Crazy Frog]

Originally Posted by maypayne

This is where have a problem. According to the spoiler from boyprangko on a another forum:



This is a quote from Katsushige's father. hence my question, Why create Miyuki if they can do it in the first place, and also why wait when is now too powerful for them to handle.

We don't know what he means by seal, maybe seal by kill tatsuya?

and what he mean by “Mashiba and Shizuka are already moving to confine him”? is Mashiba and Shizuka told Ichijou clan to proposed marriage proposal to Miyuki?

[Ultragunner]

Originally Posted by bpko

For a little clarification:

Spoiler for Fight:

There are negotiations between the two groups rather than a free-for-all. Tatsuya's side has Miyuki and Minami; Katsushige's side has kotona and what's his face. They both agree to a fight between Tats vs both Kotona and what's his face. The winner determines whether Tatsuya's group will be allowed to proceed on to the Main House.

The negotiations took place in order for the Yotsuba head candidates not to be injured and are thus excluded from the fight.

Katsushige sneaks in an attack on Tatsuya. Which Miyuki demands an explanation for. Katsushige does not want to explain and asks to wait till after the meeting. In the meeting we find out that he wants to marry Kotona. I guess he couldn't stand seeing Tatsuya almost injure her.

But why attack in the first place? Was he high?

[bpko]

Originally Posted by maypayne

This is where have a problem. According to the spoiler from boyprangko on a another forum:



This is a quote from Katsushige's father. hence my question, Why create Miyuki if they can do it in the first place, and also why wait when is now too powerful for them to handle.

I think they are resigned to the fact that Tatsuya is in the Yotsuba. The want him to at least remain in the fringes to protect themselves from what they see is an inevitable cluster-fuck of a problem when Tatsuya goes psycho.

I think that they have not "just" waited until now. They have been trying to do stuff for years. I'm sure they had wanted him to just "resign" and leave. They just never had that good of an opportunity, and they feel that they have to move now (consequences be damned), or it'll never happen.

Bear in mind that they are just trying to buy themselves some time. If Miyuki doesn't make it to the party, this gives them a little breathing room to do something about the Tatsuya situation.

The problem with this is that their standpoint may have been valid back in the day before Miyuki, but not necessarily now. They are blinded by their emotions and refuse to see the situation now as it actually is.

[Crazy Frog]

Originally Posted by Ultragunner

But why attack in the first place? Was he high?

Maybe that from his father plan?

“Your turn will come on the 31st. If the confinement works till then, fine. In case Mashiba-dono and Shizuka-dono fail, you will be our last defense.”

[bpko]

Originally Posted by Ultragunner

But why attack in the first place? Was he high?

He was kinda stuck in a shitty position. He was pulled in by his father to do his part in this although he did not believe as they do. Call it obligation. With regards to the fight, he did not believe that his guardians could win; but he felt that with his skills, he had a chance; a better chance than they did.

[TheLaG]

Originally Posted by Ultragunner

But why attack in the first place? Was he high?

It was in spoiler on other forum...

Spoiler for summary from spoiler:

His father (branch head) wanted to make Miyuki miss this clan gathering, because he got intel on Maya's plan to make Miyuki next head, the main reason is Tatsuya, because they are afraid he will drag Yotsuba in political struggle in near future with his MB, it was approved by branch heads, there were 3 layers of defense

[ProxyAccount]

Originally Posted by maypayne

This is where have a problem. According to the spoiler from boyprangko on a another forum:

This is a quote from Katsushige's father. hence my question, Why create Miyuki if they can do it in the first place, and also why wait when is now too powerful for them to handle.

Remember Kuroba Mitsugu?

Spoiler:

"In such a place THAT [person] should not be used. To begin with, THAT [person] shouldn't be let out outside. THAT [person] is the crystal of the Yotsuba's sins. THAT [person] confined within the Yotsuba, we can say it is our atonement though."

There were always some that felt Tatsuya should not be allowed to walk outside of Yotsuba walls, let alone being able to use his magic--limited or not--at all. That faction includes Kuroba, Mashiba, Shibata, and Shizuka. At the same time, it implies that there are those that might feel that it is enough to limit Tatsuya with Miyuki.

[maypayne]

Originally Posted by Crazy Frog

We don't know what he means by seal, maybe seal by kill tatsuya?

and what he mean by “Mashiba and Shizuka are already moving to confine him”? is Mashiba and Shizuka told Ichijou clan to proposed marriage proposal to Miyuki?

Even if Miyuki was to marry Ichijou the problem would still be there. It is not like he is going to disappear. And if this makes Miyuki unhappy, they even risk having the god of destruction come down on them with a vengeance.

I will just chalk it as insanity because they are really losing it.

[bpko]

Originally Posted by ProxyAccount

Remember Kuroba Mitsugu?

Spoiler:

"In such a place THAT [person] should not be used. To begin with, THAT [person] shouldn't be let out outside. THAT [person] is the crystal of the Yotsuba's sins. THAT [person] confined within the Yotsuba, we can say it is our atonement though."

There were always some that felt Tatsuya should not be allowed to walk outside of Yotsuba walls, let alone being able to use his magic--limited or not--at all. That faction includes Kuroba, Muguru, Shibata, and Shizuka.

What's nice about this volume is that you get from the conversations between Tats and Kuroba Mitsugu and the conversation between Tats and Maya what the big deal is with everyone in the Yotsuba vis-a-vis Tatsuya.

Some of it is actually valid IMHO

[ProxyAccount]

Originally Posted by bpko

What's nice about this volume is that you get from the conversations between Tats and Kuroba Mitsugu and the conversation between Tats and Maya what the big deal is with everyone in the Yotsuba vis-a-vis Tatsuya.

Some of it is actually valid IMHO

But none of them consider asking the victim's opinion. Instead, they want to victimize Tatsuya again, forcing something onto him once more. In order to hide their 'sin' from the world, some of them are willing to victimize him again and again.

[TrueAlchemist]

Originally Posted by Crazy Frog

We don't know what he means by seal, maybe seal by kill tatsuya? and what he mean by “Mashiba and Shizuka are already moving to confine him”? is Mashiba and Shizuka told Ichijou clan to proposed marriage proposal to Miyuki?

I agree with you on the issue with "seal"; I got the impression that he wanted to kill Tatsuya because he wanted to seal the magic (MB) and him (Tatsuya).

Originally Posted by ProxyAccount

Remember Kuroba Mitsugu?

Spoiler:

"In such a place THAT [person] should not be used. To begin with, THAT [person] shouldn't be let out outside. THAT [person] is the crystal of the Yotsuba's sins. THAT [person] confined within the Yotsuba, we can say it is our atonement though."

There were always some that felt Tatsuya should not be allowed to walk outside of Yotsuba walls, let alone being able to use his magic--limited or not--at all. That faction includes Kuroba, Mashiba, Shibata, and Shizuka. At the same time, it implies that there are those that might feel that it is enough to limit Tatsuya with Miyuki.

Proxy, I have a question; I am not sure the spoiler is true or not.
So, did MI users of Yotsuba clan do something to Tatsuya when he was in Miya?
Or, was it only Maya who did this?


By the way, don't you guys feel, branch leaders do not know about Hliðskjálf?
Seems like, Shibatas did not seem to have a problem using electronic communication while they were scheming something against Maya's will.

[Echizen777]

Taking in account all the spoilers I think Katsuhige is doing all of this because he's following his father's orders.

Originally Posted by maypayne

This is where have a problem. According to the spoiler from boyprangko on a another forum:



This is a quote from Katsushige's father. hence my question, Why create Miyuki if they can do it in the first place, and also why wait when is now too powerful for them to handle.

I guess it's like this. They decided to seal MB, for this, they needed a MI magician and created Miyuki, Yuuka's mom created the seal and used it on the siblings. They fear that Tatsuya will be unsealed if she's declared heir so soon.

[TheLaG]

Originally Posted by TrueAlchemist

By the way, don't you guys feel, branch leaders do not know about Hliðskjálf?
Seems like, Shibatas did not seem to have a problem using electronic communication while they were scheming something against Maya's will.

Nobody knows, maybe butler and one 2 persons close to Maya, even Tatsuya don't know... Also, one of conversations, was about Tatsuya discovering some means to connect to Hliðskjálf or find it's location (if i recall correctly).
So they think they are safe and sound

Also, from the idea of how it works, Maya may miss this conversation, coz you need to specifically spy on those people to tap in the connection...

[TrueAlchemist]

Originally Posted by maypayne

This is a quote from Katsushige's father. hence my question, Why create Miyuki if they can do it in the first place, and also why wait when is now too powerful for them to handle.

The true identity of Miyuki is unknown. According to Maya, branch leaders do not know she is genetically engineered. For your second questions, they are doing this now because they are fool. Even Yuuka states, it is foolish to challenge Tatsuya, now.

Originally Posted by Echizen777

They fear that Tatsuya will be unsealed if she's declared heir so soon.

Katsushige reminds me of Hirofumi from Itsuwa clan.

I don't think, Miyuki being a heir has nothing to do with unsealing Tatsuya.
They did not like the fact that Tatsuya will continue to be a guardian of Miyuki and stay in the center of Yotsuba while he can drag Yotsuba into political turmoil, which may not benefit the clan. So, they want him to stay away from Yotsuba as far as possible.

Originally Posted by TheLaG

Nobody knows, maybe butler and one 2 persons close to Maya, even Tatsuya don't know... Also, one of conversations, was about Tatsuya discovering some means to connect to Hliðskjálf or find it's location (if i recall correctly).
So they think they are safe and sound
Also, from the idea of how it works, Maya may miss this conversation, coz you need to specifically spy on those people to tap in the connection...

Tatsuya may know this now. In Visitor Arc, he was wondering how Maya could gather information easily, and later he learned existence of Hliðskjálf.
I want to see Maya's facial impression once she learned Tatsuya already knows about Hliðskjálf.

[ProxyAccount]

Originally Posted by TrueAlchemist

Proxy, I have a question; I am not sure the spoiler is true or not.
So, did MI users of Yotsuba clan do something to Tatsuya when he was in Miya?
Or, was it only Maya who did this?

One thing that Tatsuya notes is that something such as "will" exists and has an effect, even though no such force is known to exist. (Related to Pushions and Pushion Information Body, I expect.) As MI Magicians, they knew what they were doing by having such strong/pure desires. Maya's actions were even more potent, because as a twin her strong thoughts activated the MI powers of Miya--the strongest MI Magician--and affected Tatsuya. So it is my theory--and supported by the expressions of the characters' guilt (or pride, in the case of Maya)--that they may have biased Tatsuya's natural magic while he was still developing in the womb of Miya. Moreover, they knew what they were doing. (They just didn't know what Maya wished for.) Also, perhaps there was some variation in what they desired.

By the way, don't you guys feel, branch leaders do not know about Hliðskjálf?
Seems like, Shibatas did not seem to have a problem using electronic communication while they were scheming something against Maya's will.

I don't think that they know.

[Crazy Frog]

Originally Posted by TrueAlchemist

I don't think, Miyuki being a heir has nothing to do with unsealing Tatsuya.
They did not like the fact that Tatsuya will continue to be a guardian of Miyuki and stay in the center of Yotsuba while he can drag Yotsuba into political turmoil, which may not benefit the clan. So, they want him to stay away from Yotsuba as far as possible.

But they call tatsuya a weapon, that is mean when them in trouble they need tatsuya?

[TrueAlchemist]

@ProxyAccount Thanks you for clearing up. So, it is combined efforts of Yotsuba MI magicians +Homicidal Maya.

[TheLaG]

Originally Posted by TrueAlchemist

Tatsuya may know this now. In Visitor Arc, he was wondering how Maya could gather information easily, and later he learned existence of Hliðskjálf.
I want to see Maya's facial impression once she learned Tatsuya already knows about Hliðskjálf.

I think more funny would be if Tatsuya becomes one of 10 operators for example when he kills Black Sage. And like chat room: "Yo Maya, wazap?"

Originally Posted by ProxyAccount

One thing that Tatsuya notes is that something such as "will" exists and has an effect, even though no such force is known to exist. (Related to Pushions and Pushion Information Body, I expect.) As MI Magicians, they knew what they were doing by having such strong/pure desires. Maya's actions were even more potent, because as a twin her strong thoughts activated the MI powers of Miya--the strongest MI Magician--and affected Tatsuya. So it is my theory--and supported by the expressions of the characters' guilt (or pride, in the case of Maya)--that they may have biased Tatsuya's natural magic while he was still developing in the womb of Miya. Moreover, they knew what they were doing. (They just didn't know what Maya wished for.) Also, perhaps there was some variation in what they desired.

In some spoilers it was said that Miya also wanted to revenge world for such cruel thing it done to Maya, so there might be also "small" addition to Mayas desires

[Chirst]

My thai friend told me again about the plan of the branch leaders
Thanks to the source g-ji

Spoiler for The war and ambush:

-------Before tatsuta faces Katsushige , Branch leaders send many heavy armed forces. (they throw grenades at Tatsuya both front and back)
-------Tatsuya kills 11 of them after that he moves alone and faces 28 soldiers but only 1 of them survives from his rage.
-------Tatsuya decide to retreat to his home with miyuki
-------Next day , the same force comes back again with helicopters but all of them killed by Tatsuya again
-------Yuka contacts Miyuki and said she also was ambushed
------Tatsuya force concludes that it's a plan to prevent them to the main mansion
-----They decide to stay at Yuka's house and move to the main mansion in the next day
-----Yuka explains that this plan is executed by Shibata Osamu
-------31 december Tatsuya's force move and ambushed again after that they face Katsushige's force