Fate/ Series Q&A

[Levani]

Thanks for the answer!

And another thing, does Shinji know that Sakura is Rin's sister?

[Tenzen12]

I was wandering, what exactly decides quality of master when it cones to servant stats?

I mean if it's formal education Rider shouldn't be nerfed depending whether she is with Shinji or Sakura. In other hand if it's about magic circuits, Saber should get at least on FZ level after Rim activate huge number of Shiros inactive circuits. So I am not really sure.

[JustThisOne]

Originally Posted by Levani

And another thing, does Shinji know that Sakura is Rin's sister?

While not explicitly told to him, Shinji knows that Sakura was adopted from the Tohsaka family.

I was wandering, what exactly decides quality of master when it cones to servant stats?

I mean if it's formal education Rider shouldn't be nerfed depending whether she is with Shinji or Sakura. In other hand if it's about magic circuits, Saber should get at least on FZ level after Rim activate huge number of Shiros inactive circuits. So I am not really sure.

The quality of a mage does not effect servant stats. What matters is the amount of mana a servant receives. If a servant does not have enough mana their stats will decrease. A master could be the worst mage of all time but if he can supply a servant with sufficient magical energy that servant should be able to fight at "full strength".

This should be fairly obvious considering Caster's case.

[Levani]

I don't get it, what's the deal with fictional Heroic Spirits?

Are Caster and Rider of FSN fictional like Assassin?

[Dengar]

No, they are not.

And to call Assassin fictional doesn't really do his story justice.

The person who wields that sword and defies physics is a real person. He just isn't a heroic spirit. And he also isn't Sasaki Koujirou.

The man named Sasaki Koujirou is fiction. The man who fights Saber as an equal is not.

[Lorhand]

Caster is fictional. It doesn't matter if a hero never existed in life, the legend and the people who believed in them created the Heroic Spirit. That's something Rin said right at the beginning in the Prologue.

A hero that becomes eternal in people's minds is no longer human after their death, and is promoted to another form of existence.
Humans who bring about miracles, save people, and achieve great deeds, are called heroes even after their death.
After being so called, they are promoted to heroic spirits after their death and become guardians of humanity.

It doesn't matter whether these people existed in reality or only in stories.
It is people's minds that create a hero.
People's wishes that "this is how things should be" give them form and set them up as real.
Authenticity does not matter.
They can have form as long as they have fame as a legend and people have faith.

The ultimate ideal humans have created, the greatest human people have created.
These are the heroes, the heroic spirits.

A righteous Master calls a righteous spirit. A twisted Master calls a twisted spirit. The narrator notes the irony of Caster summoning a fictional hero, because she is also fictional.

"No, she was perfect as a summoner. But some miscalculations occurred.
And Caster, let me warn you. Do not consider all Servants to be like you.
At the very least, Saber and Berserker were satisfied with their Masters. A righteous hero can only be summoned by righteous people."

"…Heh, why tell me that now? A twisted Master calls for twisted heroic spirits. You do not need to tell me that."
…That is right. Servants are determined by their summoners.
Summoners with dark shadows in their mind cannot summon heroic spirits who are on the light side.

And I know you take info from complementary material with a grain of salt, but CM 3 confirms that Herakles and Medusa are spirits born from legends. They didn't actually exist.

[GreyZone]

Don't they exist in different timelines though?

[JustThisOne]

Originally Posted by GreyZone

Don't they exist in different timelines though?

If you take the multiverse theory seriously in the Type-Moon universe, then anything is possible. You can even take it a step further and say that all fanfiction is canon

But as far as saying that any Heroic Spirit actually existed, Nasu never made a statement on that. Well not any statement I am aware of though.

[Dengar]

Then why is Sasaki Koujirou being fictional and substituted with some kind of wraith such a big deal?

[Lorhand]

Originally Posted by Dengar

Then why is Sasaki Koujirou being fictional and substituted with some kind of wraith such a big deal?

The case for Kojirou is that the versions of legends are so diverse and unrelated to each other, there was not even a fictional version of Kojirou. There is no properly recorded Sasaki Kojirou, unlike with our heroes from Greek mythology. Nasu remarked on the reason he did this in CM2, if I remember correctly, but don't count on that. During the writing of FSN, Nasu came across some research of Kojirou, talking about him being a mosaic of three different legends/heroes.

Assassin was a farmer and a ronin who had too much time and started hitting swallows with his sword until he broke reality. Assassin is, figuratively speaking, picked from a database for humanity that matches the parameters of Sasaki Kojirou the best. His personality becomes Kojirou's personality and his feats become Kojirou's feats. This is speculation, but I assume Assassin was the real deal in Fate/Prototype.

[Levani]

Honestly, this kind of upsets me, thinking that all these myths are real in the NasuVerse is way cooler than this.

[Rising Dragon]

I'd like to see the actual citation.

[Lorhand]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

I'd like to see the actual citation.

Try to be more specific.

[GreyZone]

Originally Posted by Lorhand

Try to be more specific.

I think he wanted to ask "Source? Link or it didn't happen" in a more polite way.

[Dengar]

They want to see the actual words where the thing is being said.

[Lorhand]

Originally Posted by Dengar

They want to see the actual words where the thing is being said.

About what? That's why I'm asking for specifics. If it's about records of Kojirou's legend being too vague and being made up of different people, that's from the novel.

Spoiler:

No... first of all, it was a mistake that I got summoned. Because I am not Sasaki Kojirou."

"!?"
Saber's confusion reaches its limit.
Sasaki Kojirou.
It should be the true identity of this Servant.
But Assassin himself said that he is a fake.




"I am sure a man named Sasaki Kojirou existed. I am also sure that there was a swordsman who used Monohoshizao.
...But they are not the same person.
A swordsman with the name Sasaki Kojirou is a fictional character created to be his enemy's foil."

"You are... a fictional heroic spirit?"
"Yes, I am Sasaki Kojirou. It merely means that I am the best suited for this role.
I do not have a name. I do not know how to read or write, and I was not fortunate enough to be given one."

"I am a phantom that was summoned just because I could execute Sasaki Kojirou's secret technique.
As I am a false Servant, I cannot last long. Caster treated me as a disposable Servant because of that reason."

[GreyZone]

Originally Posted by Lorhand

About what? That's why I'm asking for specifics. If it's about records of Kojirou's legend being too vague and being made up of different people, that's from the novel.

I think they were asking about Caster and Rider being only "fictional characters".

[Rising Dragon]

Yes, I meant the Caster/Rider/Berserker thing.

[bhl88]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Yes, I meant the Caster/Rider/Berserker thing.

Oh yeah, it's mythology (I mean Medusa and Hercules/Herakles)

For Princess Medea... Yeah she's the same too.

[Lorhand]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Yes, I meant the Caster/Rider/Berserker thing.

There, CM3.

Birth of Heroic Spirits

It's been explained that Heroic Spirits are heroes whom belief has been gathered upon after death, but heroes of myths and legends can be born by the gathering of belief even if they didn't exist. Also, there are those who made a contract of some sort with the world when they were alive and as compensation became Heroic Spirits after death.

In the Fifth War, Hassan Sabbah was a hero that actually existed, and Herakles and Medusa are ones of legends. Also, Emiya and Artoria are beings that became (or will become) Heroic Spirits after their contract with the world.　Those who have become Heroic Spirits are freed from the constraints of time and are moved to the Throne of Heroes, existing outside of the World.