(L+CR) Dungeon ni Deai wo Motomeru no wa Machigatteiru Darou ka

[Zefyris]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

You are wrong.

In verbatim.

"If Bell dies I'll blame you till the day I die. But I won't hate you. I promise."

This is placing responsibility on Take's famillia for their actions. If Bell dies because of their action they are at fault. Simple as that. But Hestia wont seek retribution.

Remember these are still gods who have their powers even if they chose not to use them.

What Hestia did was guilt trip them and gave them an avenue to redeem themselves.

Still Hestia doesn't trust them not to fuck up so she is going too.

What a beautiful translation. Especially an immortal god saying "til I die". Very, very impressive and understanding about the context the sentence is.
You're translating "死ぬまで (until I die) instead of 死ぬ程 (to death) which is a strong emotional superlative.
And just the same, you're confusing 責める (to blame) with 恨む (to resent).
While 恨む can be translated by "to blame" in some case, its main meaning is "to resent" and since it's said alongside a strong emotional superlative in this case, it's obviously the emotional choice (to resent) rather than an act (to blame) that needs to be chosen.
But yeah, I'm the one who's wrong.
Also, the reason Hestia go isn't because she doesn't trust them. All those childs are take familia since they were little, and still in Japan. Takemikaduchi is basically their foster father.

[Esclair]

Okay, this is just perfect:

[Stark700]

Episode 11:

Spoiler:

Hestia, you got more competition


Neat episode though with the action in the action in the first half. And also, Aiz showed up at quite a convenient time. I'm starting to like the Hermes Familia more and more now, especially Hermes when he meets Bell.

Overall, it was fun.

[DevilHighDxD]

More Bell and Aiz plz!!!

Also please stop with the cock-blocking Hestia, so annoying... -_-

Overall Bell and Aiz together moments is always the best episode.

[ookamigirl]

Bell keeps getting new challenges.
Looks like everyone made it "out" safely.
He's getting more popular by the minute.
Hestia managed to find her way to him as well.
Bell is always so weird around Aiz LOL
Nice episode.

[Zefyris]

JC Staff YOU FAILED.


Those ears shouldn't be here, she's a Pallum, so those ears are fake and maintained by a magic spell that she deactivated little after entering the dungeon to avoid going mind down after a while, since this spell keep draining her mind like any other spell as long as she maintains it active. No way she would still have it after all that, and no way she can keep it while being asleep either.

Also, Tione has a crush on Finne, so no way she'll be as interested about Bell right in front of Finne... Tiona is another story, of course. She IS interested, which is bad news for the other girls around bell because the Amazoness race is very... active when it comes to get a man they want. Forcing them down is absolutely a completely valid option, including using aphrodisiac if the man isn't "cooperative enough" with the important part of his body. Well, Tiona and Tione does seems quite calm compared to other amazoness around, but still. If Hestia learns about that, she's going to have a few nightmare from now on x).

[FlareKnight]

As much as Bell wanted to calm the situation down, I think his words were full of it. Bell isn't the type of person no matter the situation that would willingly sacrifice others to die to save himself. So I tend to agree that no one should forgive or accept the decision made that nearly got them all killed. Hell I'd be more in favor of slugging the guy in the face.

Not a bad episode. The harem bits got a bit over the top considering the seriousness of the episode to that point, but it didn't kill the episode.

At least we're seeing some emotion from Aiz, though she's still pretty bland. Could have done a bit more with the Hestia and Bell reunion, but it's a harem so can't let any one character get too far ahead. Status quo all the way.

[ReddyRedWolf]

For a minute there Bell is worried he is looking unfaithful to Aiz interpreting her moving her hair a bit as displeasure. Though what it all about is she wants to hear how he ranked all S in ability.

Goodness Hestia is acting like her younger sister Hera with Bell around Aiz and Lili.

[MagicaLideaL]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

For a minute there Bell is worried he is looking unfaithful to Aiz interpreting her moving her hair a bit as displeasure. Though what it all about is she wants to hear how he ranked all S in ability.

Goodness Hestia is acting like her younger sister Hera with Bell around Aiz and Lili.

Really? Seems like i got my hope high for nothing. I really thought she was getting jealous over Bell when she was doing that.

I dont quite understand why Bell's party need to leave the dungeon at a different time than Loki familiar. Isnt it safer to move together than moving alone?

For a moment i thought Bell was gonna exchange a few blows with the Goliath but i guess its asking too much considering he is carrying two person in that exhausted state. Having that hole there sure is convenient for the adventurers, if things doesnt go right for you, hop into the hole.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by MagicaLideaL

Really? Seems like i got my hope high for nothing. I really thought she was getting jealous over Bell when she was doing that.

I dont quite understand why Bell's party need to leave the dungeon at a different time than Loki familiar. Isnt it safer to move together than moving alone?

For a moment i thought Bell was gonna exchange a few blows with the Goliath but i guess its asking too much considering he is carrying two person in that exhausted state. Having that hole there sure is convenient for the adventurers, if things doesnt go right for you, hop into the hole.

It's probably harder when the Goliath is there and ready to go right from the start.

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

As much as Bell wanted to calm the situation down, I think his words were full of it. Bell isn't the type of person no matter the situation that would willingly sacrifice others to die to save himself. So I tend to agree that no one should forgive or accept the decision made that nearly got them all killed. Hell I'd be more in favor of slugging the guy in the face.

Yeah, it's rather obvious that in a similar situation, Bell would use himself as the bait. Though I don't know that retribution would be all that useful.

And Bell did forgive Lili rather easily. He's that kind of nice guy.


On another note... Anyone else thinks that Hestia made a mistake when she planted the idea of "date" in Aiz's head?

[ChampDream]

Girls, girls, girls everywhere, I lost count on how many times Bell blushed in this episode.

[Wandering Soul]

Despite what Bell says it's obvious he wouldn't have done the same if it were him in that situation. He is just to kind for that.

Bell did get to meet the Loki Famila and found out that he has an admirer. I was expecting him to meet Bete but that might be later, unless Bete was one of the people poisoned.

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

Gotta be honest it was a nice episode to watch but i still maintain the belief that i had before. IF it had ended on the episode with him beating the minotaur it would've been fine. These last two episodes arent that great. I watch it because im waiting for something but im disappointed. Lets see the next episode

[Zefyris]

Originally Posted by the one above all

Despite what Bell says it's obvious he wouldn't have done the same if it were him in that situation. He is just to kind for that.

Bell did get to meet the Loki Famila and found out that he has an admirer. I was expecting him to meet Bete but that might be later, unless Bete was one of the people poisoned.

No, he isn't among the poisoned but they still won't see him because Bete is the "fast guy" who was sent to the surface that Finne talked about. Poisoned peoples are kept in the 18th level for now, with non-poisoned guarding them, and they send Bete to quickly go up alone. They actually crossed path when they were going done by holes, he was going up by the stairs, and didn't see each other, probably being hundred of meters away anyway.
I'm talking about it because it's not anything usefull for the plot and that you're supposed to have that info at the same time as Finne talked to Bell anyway, so you won't have it later I think.

Originally Posted by ChampDream

Girls, girls, girls everywhere, I lost count on how many times Bell blushed in this episode.

Well Loki loves girl, especially pretty ones (and always sexually harass them, too ^^") so you're obviously going to see a lot with the Loki famila~

[BladeMancer]

Originally Posted by Zefyris

JC Staff YOU FAILED.


Those ears shouldn't be here, she's a Pallum, so those ears are fake and maintained by a magic spell that she deactivated little after entering the dungeon to avoid going mind down after a while, since this spell keep draining her mind like any other spell as long as she maintains it active. No way she would still have it after all that, and no way she can keep it while being asleep either.

Also, Tione has a crush on Finne, so no way she'll be as interested about Bell right in front of Finne... Tiona is another story, of course. She IS interested, which is bad news for the other girls around bell because the Amazoness race is very... active when it comes to get a man they want. Forcing them down is absolutely a completely valid option, including using aphrodisiac if the man isn't "cooperative enough" with the important part of his body. Well, Tiona and Tione does seems quite calm compared to other amazoness around, but still. If Hestia learns about that, she's going to have a few nightmare from now on x).

She isn't a Pallum. Those ears aren't magic

[thundrakkon]

I can't believe I didn't recognize this sooner. The boss monster is called Goliath. Bell's new skill is called Argonaut, and even that girl is calling him Argonaut. This is referencing David and Goliath so in a way. Bell will be David facing Goliath, and he will use the Argonaut skill to defeat it. I can't remember which really old movie I saw, but that movie had the Argonauts assisting David to fight Goliath, if my fuzzy memory is correct.

So I'm going to guess that something goes wrong, or Freya interferes again, and Bell will end up having to fight Goliath.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

I can't believe I didn't recognize this sooner. The boss monster is called Goliath. Bell's new skill is called Argonaut, and even that girl is calling him Argonaut. This is referencing David and Goliath so in a way. Bell will be David facing Goliath, and he will use the Argonaut skill to defeat it. I can't remember which really old movie I saw, but that movie had the Argonauts assisting David to fight Goliath, if my fuzzy memory is correct.

... They're different mythologies. (The Argonauts are from Greek mythology, David and Goliath is a Jewish story.) Maybe the author also saw that film you're talking about, but maybe not. I don't think there's any reason to think they're particularly connected.

Speaking of, I wonder about Asfi. Her family name is Andromeda, her title has Perseus, and she's an item maker. Isn't it all kind of messed up?

[HayashiTakara]

Really not much to say about this episode. Glad to see everyone got together really quick. I hope next weeks episode is action packed.

[SamCurt]

Originally Posted by Zefyris

JC Staff YOU FAILED.


Those ears shouldn't be here, she's a Pallum, so those ears are fake and maintained by a magic spell that she deactivated little after entering the dungeon to avoid going mind down.

I know she's probably Mind Down, but does she really turn her shapeshifting off in the Dungeon, though? She does that to hide from her previous victims, most of them still crawling actively.

[Zefyris]

Originally Posted by SamCurt

I know she's probably Mind Down, but does she really turn her shapeshifting off in the Dungeon, though? She does that to hide from her previous victims, most of them still crawling actively.

She removes it. Always. In the dungeon, the risk of having someone recognise her is very low. The place is pretty dark, she wears a robe, and group of adventurers doesn't come close to each other since there's a rule about not stealing monsters from another group.
Keeping it up during hours of dungeon crawling would wears her down mentally for no real difference. She was doing it when deceiving bell for example, but now that's only an hindrance for their party. most of the peoples knowing her are on higher floors too, they don't have the necessary strength to go up to level 12-13 (shown by the fact that Lili never got that down with the other groups, I think the lowest was 11).

And this was very important this time to not show her with those ears. So yes, big fail from JC staff.

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

... They're different mythologies. (The Argonauts are from Greek mythology, David and Goliath is a Jewish story.) Maybe the author also saw that film you're talking about, but maybe not. I don't think there's any reason to think they're particularly connected.

Speaking of, I wonder about Asfi. Her family name is Andromeda, her title has Perseus, and she's an item maker. Isn't it all kind of messed up?

When the author talk about Argonaut, he's clearly talking about the Greek myth.
For the title and name, that's because this has nothing to do with her name. Her name wasn't given by her god, she logically had it before joining, since she had it at birth.
The title isn't simply Perseus, it's "ban'nousha Perseus". The ban'nousha parts refer to her being able to do pretty much anything in item making.
And you'll see why she got the perseus name before the end of this arc, except if they skip that scene.