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I really don't think people would always wait for 100% certainty before committing themselves to a particular course of action. There is a certain amount of risk to many actions that humans take. Not to mention there is even a higher certainty of casualties if he decided to kill, while still having the chance of killing bystanders/getting himself killed. Quote:
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To me it depends on what else the character does out side of killing, if they kill things sometimes but show other character traits that are honest and true then no problem with me. That's my personal opinion though as I don't see the need for it to happen all of the time.
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The point remains that he has a good reason to be confident enough to choose to do what he does. You can't base it on what's available to you to assess how confident a character can be in taking a particular action. Quote:
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And as I continue to tell you, and without dragging this straight into Godwin territory, I can't. I cannot put myself mentally in Kira's shoes, because my mind can't fit into those strange bananas. I'm sorry you seem to think I should be able to, but I can't find a way to make his decisions and actions make sense and reverberate with me.
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I think the problem is what you alluded to earlier that your suspension of disbelief was broken, but as I said earlier, I'm not trying to debate the quality of the story here. Strictly with respect to understanding the character, I'm just asking you to accept what a show presents to us as to the abilities of this type of characters. So you and I may not be able to accomplish these amazing feats, but they can. And given that they can, your statement that I quoted above applies to them. |
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There are some characters that follow the no-killing policy that I am ok with, like Vash from Trigun. Mostly because it's some central part of their character, like how Vash differed from Knives on an emotional level that gave him the drive to never intentionally kill.
However, there's some stuff that's just inexcusable. I only just found out recently that Saito of Zero no Tsukaima never actually "killed" anyone -- he supposedly always used the back side of his sword to KO people but not kill. From the action sequences like in the finale of Season 2, I never would have guessed this, and feel that it really ruins the moment of epic rage rather than evokes respect for his ability to fight without killing. Basically, if they aren't going to kill, they should state it up front and have a darn good reason not to (Ex. Suou Pavlichenko of Darker than Black: Gemini), or get over it and start kicking some a** the right way. No need to beat around every semi-violent bush. As long as they follow this rule, I'm mostly OK with not killing. |
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Really? Perhaps not on screen, but in the scene where he shot down all those dragon riders in the Zero fighter, I find it unlikely that between the bullets, the fall, and fact that Zero no Tsukaima dragons seem to explode in huge fireballs when shot, that all of the riders survived. In fact, I think the LN described how fire from the fighter's guns literally tore one of the riders apart, but I'm not sure, it's been a while. As for the second season ending battle, not sure if I can say for sure there were no fatalities in that. Where did you see hear this? With regard to characters that refuse to kill in general, it depends on the situation and character in question. Realistically speaking, I think like many people, I would use deadly force as a last resort to defend myself (or others) from someone threatening me with deadly force, but would obviously prefer to avoid it. I suspect it would make more sense if a character was a normal person thrust into such a situation to refuse to kill, or be shocked at what they had done if they were forced to, if they are someone who was previously a normal person, however, if, for instance, they ended in a situation where violence was commonplace, I suspect they would eventually end up desensitized to it. The thing that makes less sense is a character that would not use a certain weapon, for instance, (usually a firearm) to defend themselves under any situation. IDK, maybe I'm just a pragmatist and, if was forced into combat, would use any advantage I could get! Last edited by SPARTAN 119; 2015-12-02 at 06:13. |
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