(CR) Rokka no Yuusha

[Iron Maw]

Originally Posted by Polarpew

wow.... I have to say, I've finally given up on this anime. Its super boring, setting just like those animes about finding a murderer whose in the room and the entire season takes place in that room

Well yes, if you don't enjoy similar mystery thrillers like Umineko or Danganronpa then this isn't for you. Rokka is pretty much a detective high fantasy series with one mystery coming after the next which drives the central plot. That said, the action adventure aspects are still there, they just play second fiddle to the mysteries.

[Harbinger]

It was rather interesting. Mora had fallen off my list of suspicion for telling Hans about the fact that the flower will loses a petal if a Brave died... now, I'm not too sure.

[Randrak42]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

HA! WHAT DID I SAY?!

Maura, the I'm so mature and sophisticated, is the fake.

Anyway, I'm not the only one that wants Chamot to die a horrible death with her head on a pike, am I? She grated me so horribly wrong every since the first introduction.

No, you're not the only one. Honestly, Chamot annoyed me since the beginning. I can't stand characters with her personality, a selfish overpowered little girl with no shred of intelligence that just wants to kill in order to solve all her problems. Every time she has talked, she's managed to piss me off more and more.

To be perfectly honest though...for some reason none of the characters have really grabbed my attention in this anime, which is strange. The concept is interesting enough (with some cliched elements) but the characters that lead it aren't at all. Most of the characters either annoy the hell out of me (Chamot, Goldov and Nashetania) or just have bland and uninteresting personalities (Fremy and Maura). So far the only characters I even have the slightest interest in are Adlet and Hans (after this last episode).

This pains me greatly because the concept is good and the execution is done nicely, but the main thing I look for in a story are the characters. No matter how good your plot is, if the characters are not interesting then there is no real way of enjoying the incredible plot.
I'm going to give it another episode or two, maybe. Hopefully by then Fremy develops a personality and stops being the mostly emotionless cheap Rei knock-off that she seems to be, Maura shows that she's not just a token Onee-san and Chamot, Goldov, and Nashetania die or something....I dunno, I just really don't like those three (they are, in fact, the main reason I'm thinking of letting this show go). These are the good guys, the main cast that we're suppose to love and cheer for...but I can't bring myself to even like 2/3 of them.

[lucaman]

this episode see yussha fighting between themselve i want to said screw humanity just let demon win for once.

[Shadow5YA]

Can someone explain how exactly Hans got Adlet to hallucinate his own death? I don't think a feint would produce that kind of effect.

[Iron Maw]

But because Hans being 7th would spell certain death in Adlet's situation. There is no way he would be able rearm himself in time before Hans could cut him down. Basically Hans just had make him logically believe would die and play on that fear. It's something more in his head than what actually happened.

[Botan_TM]

Originally Posted by Randrak42

To be perfectly honest though...for some reason none of the characters have really grabbed my attention in this anime, which is strange. The concept is interesting enough (with some cliched elements) but the characters that lead it aren't at all.

To be honest, It's hard for to me to choose a one character I really like, but I love them as a whole group. Also now people are complaining "too much talking", I can image what would happen if we got more and more backgrounds stories.

[Vindi89]

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

the one with the best chance to win against Chamot is apparently Nashetanya.

That's funny. Watching Chamot unveil her power and Adlet commenting on no wonder Flamie ran just didn't sit right with me. I was actually wondering how did she lose. She has the weapon with the longest range. And given the element of surprise Chamot is as good as sniped.

I mean what did Flamie do? Greet Chamot, say "hey I'm here to kill you and don't worry I'll wait for you to finish barfing before I try to shoot you."?

[Iron Maw]

The anime actually exaggerated Chamo's summon time for dramatic effect. It's actually much faster. As for why Fremy would difficult time getting a hit on her before Chamo notices she's there well... you will find out soon enough.

[Vindi89]

Originally Posted by Iron Maw

The anime actually exaggerated Chamo's summon time for dramatic effect. It's actually much faster. As for why Fremy would difficult time getting a hit on her before Chamo notices she's there well... you will find out soon enough.

I see. So it's actually faster than the time it takes for one to pull a trigger?

[Iron Maw]

Let's just say even if Fremy shot at her, Chamo (or her pets to be more exact) is capable of reacting. That's already assuming Chamo didn't notice her before hand through having her Jyuma scout the area.

[Kaoru Chujo]

Fremy's probably the only character that really does it for me, but I'm struck by the three characters with somewhat over-the-top voices: Fremy (Yuuki Aoi - depressed assassin), Hans (Suzumura Kenichi - crazy/smart), and Chamo (Kakuma Ai - innocent malice). Fremy's the only one of those I actually like, but their voices make all three of them feel quite vivid to me.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Randrak42

I'm going to give it another episode or two, maybe. Hopefully by then Fremy develops a personality and stops being the mostly emotionless cheap Rei knock-off that she seems to be, Maura shows that she's not just a token Onee-san and Chamot, Goldov, and Nashetania die or something....

I think a major theme is that things aren't what they seem. Just this ep, we see Nashetania isn't as blind as she looks, Maura is possibly more sinister, Hans is, hm, nicer?

[Vindi89]

Originally Posted by Iron Maw

Let's just say even if Fremy shot at her, Chamo (or her pets to be more exact) is capable of reacting. That's already assuming Chamo didn't notice her before hand through having her Jyuma scout the area.

So just to clarify you're saying that even if Chamo doesn't have pet out and even if she doesn't detect an enemy that she'd survive being shot by Fremy's rifle. This is due to the fact that her pets will jump out of her stomach and react faster than the speed of a bullet to save her?

[Iron Maw]

Honestly talking something as subjective of likability of characters is pretty pointless for same reasons as doing it with music. You could use Randrak's opinion for 90% of shows airing right now or previously regardless of whether it's right or not. In the end it will all come down to taste no matter how much or less the a character is developed or characterized.

For what it's don't agree for similar reasons that Anh_Minh has pointed out.

Originally Posted by Vindi89

So just to clarify you're saying that even if Chamo doesn't have pet out and even if she doesn't detect an enemy that she'd survive being shot by Fremy's rifle. This is due to the fact that her pets will jump out if her stomach and react faster than the speed of a bullet to save her?

Sorry, but I can't clarify anything that hasn't been adapted yet. You either have to wait or just come to your own conclusions. Other than that Chamo has one major weakness all summoners have and she has own way dealing with it. Beyond on that she can a have Jyuma out at any given time to feed her info (as he did in episode 7 with the worm). She is not careless as she seems.

[Arya]

Good episode. I really liked how Adlet/Hans resolution was put together. Every detail of it.
Still slow pacing is slow.

Well, my previous suspects were Chamot, Mora and Goldof. And now Chamot became the first suspect of my list. Mora seems a red herring, and she is too cool to be the one. Goldof on the other hand seems to play a very little role of the jealous one, so it may hide something big behind it, but since I suppose they will drag this thing til the end I'm putting him in the same position of Mora.
Chamot on the other hand has all the cards to be the one so far.

1) she is OP, somehow it puts her apart from the rest (Nasche is OP too, but her attitude prevents her to be really effective). If I have to write a good story I would avoid having an OP character, so having one is odd or has/may have ulterior motives. Otherwise it would end up like that anime where they had an OP loli dragon that each time the fights came she was ridiculously somewhere else
2) her being a kid, acting as a kid and such, is somehow giving her a free pass on everything she does or says in the eyes of the others. But with such attitude she is now trying to kill everyone, that is coincidentally the same goal of the seventh.
It also adds entropy within the group.
3) Fremy's attempt, even if it works as a sort of alibi, it doesn't mean anything since we apprehended as Fiends are structured as terrorist cells not being connected one with the other, or something alike. Also, we have no guarantees that Chamot, if she was the one, didn't know about Fremy in advance.
4) Mora, being her "guardian", gives her an image of innocence not supported by anything else than Mora's name and Mora' status. Nothing else. Why Chamot should obey Mora in the first place again? Why is she? Is she acting about that?
5) Mora is now getting the spotlight about being suspicious, that would work as the perfect twist, the one she "trusts", or so it seems, being the one in the end.

If someone smart had to plan to set up a fake brave, giving her/him some background of sort it would be the least. So an attempted attack from a brave killer and the friendship with some big name would fit. Also an unpredictable personality, or supposed one, is more difficult to read and do to find flaws in it. And it is also easier to dismiss it as childishness or dumbness, that's exactly the point of the act.

Having said that I still think we won't know who the 7th is when and if this first mystery will be resolved. The resolution won't be strictly related to the 7th identity.

[thundrakkon]

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Some have mentioned that the prologue for the novel is quite revealing, so caution would be advised if you go that path.
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I'm not to thrilled with the author's writing at this point concerning Hans. Hans has made a complete personality change in this episode to become the best bro possible from his previous deviousness. That's just to try to make him likable, even though it is inconsistent. Also, it seems like Hans putting the blame on Adlet was for drama and LOLz, since supposedly Hans already felt that Adlet was not the 7th from the start. I really did not like the inconsistent, backtracking style of story telling at this point.

Other than that, the suspects that remain are Maura, Chamot, and Goldov. Hans cleared his name. Adlet and Flamie were cleared from the start. Nachetanya has been cleared for awhile, and her actions today clears her further.

Maura is top suspect at the moment, with Goldov as a close second. Chamot is just there since she does not have an alibi, but her speech this episode makes her seem innocent, if not a crazed wack job. There are just some inconsistencies if Maura or Chamot is the 7th. If Maura is the 7th, her informing Hans that a flower petal disappears from the insignia does not make sense, since she did not have to give that information out. Chamot, if the 7th, did not have to give that long winded speech this episode since she was going to kill everybody anyway.

Hence, the only one with no real excuses so far is Goldov. Yes, he is jealous, and jealousy does not necessarily point him out to be the 7th. However, that does not preclude him neither. I've always felt Goldov coming to Nash was really out of the blue. He stays quiet in most matters, unless it is about Adlet. He has not done anything to indicate his innocence or his guilt. He could be 7th in order to protect Nash (or live in fantasy world with her where she is his), as a reason, if he made a deal with the fiends. He had no qualms killing Adlet. He has no logic in a lot of things. He's prominent while also very much unassuming.

Also, if Goldov is the 7th, it will keep Adlet's harem ratio intact.

[Iron Maw]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

I'm not to thrilled with the author's writing at this point concerning Hans. Hans has made a complete personality change in this episode to become the best bro possible from his previous deviousness. That's just to try to make him likable, even though it is inconsistent. Also, it seems like Hans putting the blame on Adlet was for drama and LOLz, since supposedly Hans already felt that Adlet was not the 7th from the start. I really did not like the inconsistent, backtracking style of story telling at this point.

Really? The only thing Hans ever did that was remotely questionable was accuse Adlet of being the 7th and that was for logical reasons. Furthermore he's defended others like Fremy for the similar logical reasons. He's never been much of a bad guy in reality (beyond being a bit mischievous), but just he's not someone to trust the words of what people say easily without proof he can ascertain. Yes there was some doubt, but that's hardly abnormal. Especially if those doubts don't weight as heavily as the evidence. That and his skill is how he's lasted as long as a assassin.

Hell he was also nice enough to give Adlet time to verbally defend himself against his accusations too. The later just did a poor job of it.

[thundrakkon]

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Yes, really. He was willing to kill a fellow Braves, weaken the overall group, and play into the hands of the 7th even though he had doubts that Adlet was the 7th. And he's supposed to be a genius. Yes, it is inconsistent writing and just trying to make him cool now. Yes, it's backtracking at this point and revisionist writing.

Your continued defense of Hans as a LN reader made it obvious that Hans wasn't the 7th, so it's not surprising what you are saying right now. It also made it predictable that Hans is somehow a cool character in the future.

[Tenzen12]

Let's say Hanz is out of list of suspects.

Adlet is seventh-> Hanz kill Adlet
Adlet is not seventh -> Hanz help Adlet.

I don't see problem here.