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Perfect 10 | 5 | 20.83% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 3 | 12.50% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 7 | 29.17% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 8 | 33.33% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 4.17% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2015-08-29, 10:28 | Link #101 | ||
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2015-08-29, 10:33 | Link #103 | |
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It's not like the Special Area people are escaped fugitives or threats to national security, and thus there should be no need for any country, not even China, to resort to kidnapping if they just want to extend an invitation to them.
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2015-08-29, 10:34 | Link #104 | |
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"Only America has black operatives" is never stated in the novel or the anime. This whole argument utterly stupid.
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2015-08-29, 10:34 | Link #105 | |
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Plus, even if what happened in the anime was not the best choice of action by the US, they even explained such situations can occur in modern wars. It's just one of the possible scenarios that could happen. The author decided to pick one that would give us some action. It's just an anime right? Plus, i also think blackmailing your allies should be the last resort. It's safer if instead, you send a small tactical team and hope you are not caught. But that's just me. |
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2015-08-29, 10:34 | Link #106 | |
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2015-08-29, 10:38 | Link #107 | |
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Your scenario does not work because: 1. The scale of the institutions - every country have their intelligence arms, but I would find it hard to argue that Japan would be able to match the US in size, especially if you're talking about taking offensive action on the ground - intelligence gathering between allies tends to stay out of the regions where bullets are flying. 2. time frame - A day? I'm sorry, nobody would be able to pull off any op like you're suggesting within that time frame unless they already have assets on the ground, and if they don't, they're not going to have much beyond a remote chance at success, which means there won't be a mission in the first place. This is not a video game, failures have real serious repercussions, and is very much a basic part of every military ops planning, special ops or not. But to answer your question directly, a resounding YES to if I would look down on Japan - not for the reason you listed, but for being foolish and stupid enough to launch such a half-assed mission that'll accomplish nothing but waste money and lifes. |
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2015-08-29, 10:43 | Link #109 | |
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Just watching how the Special Area people react to the modern world, and the cultural shock and dissonance would've already been a nice, if action-less story in and of itself. GATE does politics better when dealing with the interaction between the Empire and Japan. Japan and the rest of the world though, really just feels pointless.
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2015-08-29, 10:45 | Link #110 | |
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2015-08-29, 10:50 | Link #111 | |
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It's like a nation, any nation had discovered a huge deposit of valuable natural resources within their territory. Would that nation share with the rest of the world? Of course not!! They will try to monopolize it for their own and will defend their sovereign territory from invading nations trying to gain access. That is a natural response of any nation especially if they have the military power to do so. |
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2015-08-29, 10:52 | Link #112 | |
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2015-08-29, 10:55 | Link #113 | |||
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On the other hand, the implication was plain enough for everyone to see. The only way they could've been more obvious would've been stating it outright. |
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2015-08-29, 10:56 | Link #114 | |
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But thinking about it the main point of all this is that the JSFD can not be hurt or lose. The worse damage they have had so far is one solder being roughed up by some girls. You know apart from the military porn this show is even less realistic then Outbreak Company, which takes some doing. |
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2015-08-29, 11:00 | Link #115 | ||
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That still doesn't give anyone the right to resort to such drastic measures though - the usual order is for the diplomatic channels to be opened first, and only then send in the troops once negotiations have broken down. Hell, the US doesn't immediately resort to military force in the majority of major conflicts they've been involved in within the last few decades including the War on Terror, and that's against people they have every reason to hate, as overreaching as it got eventually. There's a reason stuff like the UN exist. Quote:
As for being antagonized, I personally am not. Though as can be seen in this, and other GATE threads I've seen years before, this particular part of the story definitely sets people off in all sorts of ways, and I'm merely stating that fact.
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2015-08-29, 11:02 | Link #116 | |
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If I were the writer? Write some action in it that actually looks like action instead of morons getting killed like they are zombies.
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2015-08-29, 11:06 | Link #117 | |
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The consequences could be catastrophic for japan in the long run, literally everytime they need some kind of help from another country they will be reminded of their actions, meanwhile the other countries will take advantage of japan and use them as their however they see fit, heck they could even deny them any sort of help and Japan would be stuck down shit-creek without a paddle. Japan would just end up becoming it's allies bitch and it would all be of their own doing, harsh but true
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2015-08-29, 11:09 | Link #118 | |
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Also the Gate is the single most disestablishing event to happen in human history. I do not think there is a country in the world strong enough to hold it for themselves. The two that come the closest would be the US and China. But even trying to hold it would almost certainly lead to WW3. |
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2015-08-29, 11:23 | Link #119 | |
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I admit that it does make the ones in charge look bad, but that is another thing then the complaints about how it makes the operatives look. But I also do not find it that absurd as it could have worked, if it had not been an ambush like it were. If the only protection were Itami and the girl sgt, then the forces sent doesn't look quite as absurd. Their was a leak earlier so the other nations did have an idea about what was going on. But that was as Itami suspected cut when the Japanese agent was sent away. This also explains why their were assets in the area. Just not with optimal gear. The initial set up had the guests being escorted by essentially plain cloths secret service agents. That is essentially elite cops, with pistols and maybe a collapsible baton. The para-military operatives doesn't look that under equiped against that. It's just that Japan swapped out the plain cloth guards for military spec ops with thermal goggles and sniper rifles. This obviously makes the other nations looks like idiots, but I still fail to see how it is absurd that Japanese could not manage to keep that set up secret without other nations automatically finding out. The control room was rather empty as well so it seems they kept the number of people in the know about the ambush to a bare minimum. Apart from the actual spec ops so was it basically limited to Itami, Defence minister and one aide. Is it absurd that none of them were a traitor? It's also worth noting that the Japanese is not all knowing as they were neither prepared for it being 3 nations nor that US would be one of them. I wold also say that it makes US look less bad the rest as they had at least a plan B for when this one didn't work. On the other hand so would the other nations not need a back up plan as they don't care what Japan thinks about them that much. |
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So, you are upset, because the heroes of this anime completely dominated the US soldiers? Well, sometimes i also feel frustrated that the angels are always portrayed as more powerfull than the demons, unless one of the demons is actually the hero and thus more powerfull. See where i'm going? It's a fictional story, not a documentary about who would win between the Special Forces from the two said countries. Quote:
So, i guess you are not an Overlord like anime fan. Some people actually like to see the heroes stomping their enemies for a change, instead of the typical punch bags they usually are, until the very last fight where they suddenly win just because they are the good guys. But, to each is own. |
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