(L) Overlord [LN]

[Namorax]

Originally Posted by Tehpenguin_lord

Hi guys, I'm new here (although I've been lurking around w/o an account for a while).

So I recently listened to the 2nd drama CD (which was less pivotal to the storyline than the first IMO) and got confused by the timeline. In the beginning, Ainz pretty much speaks the same dialogue as in the Volume 5 chapter 2 intermission, where he complains about money and the guardians' salaries. At the end of the CD, he ends up fighting the Gigante Basilisk. I assumed the events are chronological, based on the format of the past CD and since it's the most logical order of events.

However, right before the intermission (Vol 5 Chap 2 part 2), Climb talks with Evileye and Gagaran about Momon's exploits, including killing a Gigante Basilisk. So what I'm saying is... how do Blue Rose (and Climb) hear about the Basilisk before Momon killed it? I doubt Ainz killed two of them.

IIRC, Momon in the intermission is counting his gold... Is it possible that this is his reward for slaying the gigant basilisk?

[expertsource]

Originally Posted by sierra117

Cocytus said 3 in 10 mean that Ainz has 30% winning chance and the other 70% go for Shalltear

i know that. what i mean is while cocytus who gave %30 change of winning to ainz, he killed her twice. which is actually %200 percent in numbers logic.

[Fwarlord]

Originally Posted by watisit

His resurrection item only cut EXP loss. Nothing was said about him resurrecting on the spot. Back when it was a game there would have been a respawn point so a resurrect on the spot item should have been quite OP.

No, you misunderstand it, that item revives him on spot. Every high class player must have something like that, or else Ainz's build would be completely OP, since he could kill literally everyone.

Volume 3 Chapter 4
Ainz took off a ring, a cash item that allowed revival for several times without any cost. Removing this item represented Ainz’ steadfast resolve, because if he were able to revive, he would be less focused.

[sierra117]

Originally Posted by Namorax

IIRC, Momon in the intermission is counting his gold... Is it possible that this is his reward for slaying the gigant basilisk?

No, he killed the Basilisk after that

[ChuckE]

Originally Posted by Fwarlord

No, you misunderstand it, that item revives him on spot. Every high class player must have something like that, or else Ainz's build would be completely OP, since he could kill literally everyone.

Well I think that in game Ainz was not so much OP anyway, even with all his cash items. But who could have thought that in real world his build will be such effective

[Namorax]

Originally Posted by Fwarlord

No, you misunderstand it, that item revives him on spot. Every high class player must have something like that, or else Ainz's build would be completely OP, since he could kill literally everyone.

I think it wasn't stated if the ressurection was "on the spot" or the "normal" repsawn. It simply stated that Ainz wouldn't loose any XP if he was wearing that ring when he died.
So how does "not loosing XP upon death" become "he'll revive on the spot"?

Originally Posted by ChuckE

Well I think that in game Ainz was not so much OP anyway, even with all his cash items. But who could have thought that in real world his build will be such effective

Didn't Ainz consider himself to be upper middle-tier or something?

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by expertsource

i know that. what i mean is while cocytus who gave %30 change of winning to ainz, he killed her twice. which is actually %200 percent in numbers logic.

no it is not, doesn't matter how many times Aniz can kill Shaltear, it is not a win if Shaltear is still able o go.

[Fwarlord]

Originally Posted by Namorax

I think it wasn't stated if the ressurection was "on the spot" or the "normal" repsawn. It simply stated that Ainz wouldn't loose any XP if he was wearing that ring when he died.
So how does "not loosing XP upon death" become "he'll revive on the spot"?




Didn't Ainz consider himself to be upper middle-tier or something?

Because Ainz said that ring could revive him several time, if it sends him to a specific destination, only one time is enough.

[ChuckE]

Originally Posted by Namorax

Didn't Ainz consider himself to be upper middle-tier or something?

Indeed. He was not a main powerhouse there.
But "The goal of all life is death" was not so effective in the game either

[Schattenbach]

Originally Posted by ChuckE

Indeed. He was not a main powerhouse there.
But "The goal of all life is death" was not so effective in the game either

No ... going by how much he praises that skill, it might be quite excellent ... only the requirments to actually obtain that skill make it bad due to them being mediocre and suboptimal in general ... and not only could that skill wipe out several dozen of players, it might even work against bosses (as they would normally count on their regular immunity against instant death effects) ... so it's a really powerful secret weapon for someone like Ainz that's comparable to a secret skill a mind-control specialist could wish for.

That's because, at high levels, most players (especially in DnD like games) are likely to invest into equipment that makes them immune against nasty things like mind-affecting effects or instant-death, as those are basically auto KO conditions that might actually still work if the attacker is lucky, even if its victim is significantly stronger.

The issue there is ... that skill only allows to bypass immunities to instant-death effects ... so anything within the area of effect of the instant death spell he uses can still resist his spell just as usual ... although it's a bit difficult to resist due to Ainz specializing in instant death effects (among other things like necromancy).

[Kreceir]

Hi!, as someone that is currently watching the Anime and got Super interested in the LN.
Which is nice since I like reading LN's.
Just a question, I went over to Baka Tsuki, and it said that overlord also has a Harem Genre?
can anyone explain me?

At the moment, I didn't start reading it yet.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by expertsource

i know that. what i mean is while cocytus who gave %30 change of winning to ainz, he killed her twice. which is actually %200 percent in numbers logic.

But not even Ainz knew about Shalltear's time reversal skill so those odds weren't really accurate.

Originally Posted by Kreceir

Hi!, as someone that is currently watching the Anime and got Super interested in the LN.
Which is nice since I like reading LN's.
Just a question, I went over to Baka Tsuki, and it said that overlord also has a Harem Genre?
can anyone explain me?

At the moment, I didn't start reading it yet.

Even though he's all bones, he's got no boner!

Seriously though, every series gets slapped with the harem label so don't put too much stock in it. While Shalltear and Albedo both love Ainz, along with another vampire, there is no romance to speak of.

[luffyxnami]

Originally Posted by bakato

But not even Ainz knew about Shalltear's time reversal skill so those odds weren't really accurate.

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Yeah I agree cocyutus probably don't know all of ainz abilities and skill, he was probably making that assumption basically on their classes alone. I think none of the guardian are aware of "the goal of life is death" skill.

[Tehpenguin_lord]

Originally Posted by bakato

But not even Ainz knew about Shalltear's time reversal skill so those odds weren't really accurate.

***SPOILER [for the anime]***
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He probably does know about it, but feigned ignorance, just like how he acted surprised at Shalltear's "Unholy Shield" skill so that Shalltear would be more confident in using again, which was crucial to his plan to defeat her.
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***END SPOILER***

Originally Posted by luffyxnami

Yeah I agree cocyutus probably don't know all of ainz abilities and skill, he was probably making that assumption basically on their classes alone. I think none of the guardian are aware of "the goal of life is death" skill.

I agree, although I might add that the probability Cocytus came up with was based on gear as well. We already know Ainz is at a class disadvantage (since he's a roleplaying, death-spell using, minion-summoning necromancer against shalltear's heal4days, floor-boss class) and he himself says he can't use any of his strengths. However, all his gear is divine class while Shalltear only has her divine class lance so that may have contributed to Cocytus's calculations.

[luffyxnami]

Originally Posted by Tehpenguin_lord

I agree, although I might add that the probability Cocytus came up with was based on gear as well. We already know Ainz is at a class disadvantage (since he's a roleplaying, death-spell using, minion-summoning necromancer against shalltear's heal4days, floor-boss class) and he himself says he can't use any of his strengths. However, all his gear is divine class while Shalltear only has her divine class lance so that may have contributed to Cocytus's calculations.

I don't know about that, I doubt cocytus know about all of ainz divine items. It doesn't seem like ainz ever did fight in front or use his item in front of the guardian much if at all his item and gear should mostly be a mysteries to them, they might know do but not all.

[obnuchious]

reasons why Ainz removed his resurrection ring:

other than making his more focused on the fight, it also builds up his resolve in taking responsibility in taking care of the NPCs made by his guildmates. if he can resurrect multiple times during the fight, it's implying that he has little or no standing in being the leader of them ... also, at that time, he was not entirely sure if resurrecting any of the NPCs is possible . . .

everything was mentioned about his mindset and reasons for fighting and doing the things he did against Shalltear during their battle . . .

[Tehpenguin_lord]

Originally Posted by luffyxnami

I don't know about that, I doubt cocytus know about all of ainz divine items. It doesn't seem like ainz ever did fight in front or use his item in front of the guardian much if at all his item and gear should mostly be a mysteries to them, they might know do but not all.

In the LN Vol 4 Chap 5, Cocytus says, "I. too. am. only. knowledgeable. about. their [the weapons of the 41]. names. and. effects. I. have. never. seen. them. in. person.” I think it's safe to assume that he also knows about their equipment to some extent.

[luffyxnami]

Originally Posted by obnuchious

reasons why Ainz removed his resurrection ring:

other than making his more focused on the fight, it also builds up his resolve in taking responsibility in taking care of the NPCs made by his guildmates. if he can resurrect multiple times during the fight, it's implying that he has little or no standing in being the leader of them ... also, at that time, he was not entirely sure if resurrecting any of the NPCs is possible . . .

everything was mentioned about his mindset and reasons for fighting and doing the things he did against Shalltear during their battle . . .

I know this but that is a dumb excuse, saying it would make him more focus on the fight if he didn't have the ring. He should have taken pre caution at the very least because he never know whether someone could have kill him instead of shalltar even after he defeated her. to me it seem like the author was just try to come up with some reason for ainz to not uses his items to make the fight more exciting. Whether he know npc can revive or not shouldn't stop him from wearing something that could save him from being dead.

[Darkligh]

Originally Posted by luffyxnami

I know this but that is a dumb excuse, saying it would make him more focus on the fight if he didn't have the ring. He should have taken pre caution at the very least because he never know even something could have kill him instead of shalltar even after he defeated her. to me it seem like the author was just try to come up with some reason for ainz to not uses his items to make the fight more exciting.

It's not a dumb excuse at all. Ainz wants to prove to himself that he has what it takes to fill the large shoes he is expected to fill. Like he said in this episode his role in the guild was more of an official and administrative one. Now he was truly on the field fighting for the guild. The desire to prove a point to himself in such an extreme way is actually quite a human desire.

[luffyxnami]

Originally Posted by Darkligh

It's not a dumb excuse at all. Ainz wants to prove to himself that he has what it takes to fill the large shoes he is expected to fill. Like he said in this episode his role in the guild was more of an official and administrative one. Now he was truly on the field fighting for the guild. The desire to prove a point to himself in such an extreme way is actually quite a human desire.

You do know it is not very convincing especially when he started pulling out his friend divine class item and start using them right? The fact that he was willing to use those other item but not the ring and using the excuse of not being focus on the battle is dumb it was simply the author way if making the fight more exciting by making it look like ainz could really die in this fight.