Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans Episode 3 Discussion / Poll

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by Hmm....

BTW Is that really Atra's bracelet Mika holding ? I don't think I see her give it to him yet. even if she did, I find it quite odd he would hold it so dearly.

Atra gave it to that old mechanic I think, who in turn put it on the Gundam's cockpit for Mikazuki to pick up.

[Dark Wing]

Originally Posted by Hmm....

BTW Is that really Atra's bracelet Mika holding ? I don't think I see her give it to him yet. even if she did, I find it quite odd he would hold it so dearly.

I'm pretty sure Atra gave it to the mechanic to give to Mika.

Anyway I love where this going so far and Mika is one stone cold motherfucker. Nice double tapping too.

Also looks like our young miss in now all in and is going to but her full support behind the Iron Bloods (that sounds way better then flowers)

[Skaddix]

Lol Mika doesnt let people talk as for why Mika does the shooting probably the best shot and the least likely to feel bad about it and get PTSD.

I assume super rich dude is the guy in the opening who apparently gives them a starship as well unless they have one already.

[ninjastarforcex]

yea orga is the best character here

[cyth]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

More and more, I like how unflinching the characters here are in their convictions. Unlike the usual Gundam angst usually revolving around doubt and questioning their philosophies, Orga, Mika and the others simply plow through their problems and do what they need and have to do.

This so much.

At the execution scene, for a moment I thought they wanted to shield us from the bloody mess that was to come, since they pointed the camera away from Mika. Nope, just as he was about to shoot the guy they switch back to him as if to say "nope, you're gonna watch this, we're keeping you based." Cool stuff.

[Skaddix]

Lol yeah Great Character

[tsunade666]

iron flowers. so that's why the ED had flower design explosions. Good episode.

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by Terrestrial Dream

Regarding the scene where Mika just killed the leader of the first group, I found it interesting that Orga will not dirty his hand and made Mika do it. That scene gave me a feeling that Mika is only a tool for Orga.

And Mika killing so mercilessly is quite refreshing. Unlike some of our previous angst mc, who would breakdown after killing, Mika just do it. But I do wonder if Mika will look at back and regret his action or finally be shaken after killing someone.

I think you are seeing too much in it. Mika is the Ace, Orga is leader. Mika going into duel is obvious choice. To be honest I find little silly how much Orga thread him as his equal.

As for Mika, well he is quite desentised, alright. Well he probably needed to be to survive, but he is barely more than loyal killing machine.

[kari-no-sugata II]

Originally Posted by deadite

Mika seems awfully attached to Atra's bracelet that he even shielded it from Crank's death.

It was a nice touch. Shows a more human side to him.

Originally Posted by LoweGear

Atra gave it to that old mechanic I think, who in turn put it on the Gundam's cockpit for Mikazuki to pick up.

Yup, that's almost certainly what happened. She did ask him for a favour.

Originally Posted by Ryuuoh DeltaPlus

Is it just me, or was Orga blushing at the part after Aina says her intent of getting the Tekkadan to continue to be her escort?

He had a mark on his cheek from during the duel when Barbatos's polearm got sliced and went flying.

Originally Posted by Terrestrial Dream

Regarding the scene where Mika just killed the leader of the first group, I found it interesting that Orga will not dirty his hand and made Mika do it. That scene gave me a feeling that Mika is only a tool for Orga.

I think it's more because Orga knows that Mika can be relied upon to kill with zero hesitation. "Something only you can do". I don't think Orga sees Mika as a tool currently but yes there is a danger it could develop that way since he does seem to take him a little bit for granted.

And Mika killing so mercilessly is quite refreshing. Unlike some of our previous angst mc, who would breakdown after killing, Mika just do it. But I do wonder if Mika will look at back and regret his action or finally be shaken after killing someone.

My sense is that he has accepted the situation - it has to be done even if it's not nice. I don't think he has any intention of settling down and having a family in the future or anything like that. He'll continue to sacrifice his humanity for the sake of others, which is why he's not interested in girls.

Finally, I really like Aina, she has lot of room to grow and knows her flaw. Instead of just moping around, she is looking for a way to improve herself. And just as much as she can learn from Mika, he also can learn thing or two from her, like being more humane and independent.

I think they're all going to learn from each other to varying degrees. I think Kudelia (going to use this rather than Aina since it seems only he mother called her Aina) will/has learn courage (to fight, to risk your life and others) from Mika and leadership from Orga. Not that she has none of these to start with but she needs to take it to the next level. It's hard to say for certain what Orga can learn from Kudelia but she earned his respect and he might raise his horizons a bit more and get an early introduction to what the big leagues are like. What Mika will learn from Kudelia is going to be interesting - currently, I don't think she'll necessarily deliberately try to humanise or soften him but might do that unintentionally anyway.

[Skaddix]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

I think you are seeing too much in it. Mika is the Ace, Orga is leader. Mika going into duel is obvious choice. To be honest I find little silly how much Orga thread him as his equal.

As for Mika, well he is quite desentised, alright. Well he probably needed to be to survive, but he is barely more than loyal killing machine.

Well I think he does and he doesnt. And by that I mean in combat situations Mika probably has more power but its not like Orga is putting him in charge of general operations. For Instance, when they are meeting with the accountant Mika aint present. I would say Orga is simply good at putting people in the right positions so a good man manager. He has one S+ Pilot and another really good pilot and then seems like a gap to the rest of them. Biscuit is not combat but he is management etc.

[Boukenxha]

Love the vibe coming from this show so far.

Mika is so hard-boiled and no-nonsense. When he said he is not some victim, but is doing it for him and his comrades ie. survival. Also when he questions Crank mentioning nothing about what happens if he wins. Man, just what is he always munching on anyway? I'll like to have some of that please lol

And this Nobliss guy totally sounds like a baddie, he was already name-dropped the last episode from who Gjallarhorn Mars was supposedly getting outside funding.

Tekkadan aka Iron Flower is a thoughtfully cool name imo, strikes a chord with what Orga said of Mika being strong because he is full of contradictions.

[Fireminer]

The more I watch, the more Kudelia grows on me. Is she revolutionary? We'll have to wait for that.

And she does have sponsor! Hope to see something like Char's speech in Dakar (while the battle going on) one day in Orphans.

A bit of a sideline, but can we make a Gundam without Earth or any Ground-type MS?

[Terrestrial Dream]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

I think you are seeing too much in it. Mika is the Ace, Orga is leader. Mika going into duel is obvious choice. To be honest I find little silly how much Orga thread him as his equal.

As for Mika, well he is quite desentised, alright. Well he probably needed to be to survive, but he is barely more than loyal killing machine.

Possibly, but yes Mika dueling makes perfect sense, after all he is the ace pilot. However, making Mika kill all the leader of the first squad... I don't know, I think Orga himself could have done that.

And I am not sure if Orga looks at Mika as equal, sure you can interpret that way but there is room for other side.

Originally Posted by kari-no-sugata II

I think it's more because Orga knows that Mika can be relied upon to kill with zero hesitation. "Something only you can do". I don't think Orga sees Mika as a tool currently but yes there is a danger it could develop that way since he does seem to take him a little bit for granted.

That is a good point, since he would know Mika would kill without hesitation.

Originally Posted by kari-no-sugata II

I think they're all going to learn from each other to varying degrees. I think Kudelia (going to use this rather than Aina since it seems only he mother called her Aina) will/has learn courage (to fight, to risk your life and others) from Mika and leadership from Orga. Not that she has none of these to start with but she needs to take it to the next level. It's hard to say for certain what Orga can learn from Kudelia but she earned his respect and he might raise his horizons a bit more and get an early introduction to what the big leagues are like. What Mika will learn from Kudelia is going to be interesting - currently, I don't think she'll necessarily deliberately try to humanise or soften him but might do that unintentionally anyway.

Yeah, furthermore I really do like the emphasis on character developments. As of right now I like the focus ion the characters rather than the overall plot. Really, so far we haven't gotten big focus on Mar independent movement.

[cyth]

Originally Posted by Fireminer

The more I watch, the more Kudelia grows on me. Is she revolutionary? We'll have to wait for that.

If she can execute any revolutionary plans that'll mostly depend on Orga, that is if he wants to be more ambitious than just bare survival or realizes that is the only way to survive. Probably the latter.

[LightningZERO]

That's a very good episode, the 3rd group finally showed those bastards who is the boss, though I feel kinda weird that only Mika was tasked to do the killing. That old guy tuncoat is going to cause trouble for the gang soon, the typical unworthy character type.

As expected, Crank went down and the melee, paired with OST is plain awesome, and I love the decisive blow using the piledriver. Mika sure is a brutal fighter, not stopping after the piledriver attack and proceed to tear Glaze apart. And those brutal double taps. Just wow.

Orga was right though, Mika is a person full of contradictions, extremely cold and merciless to the enemies, but loyal to his companions; willing to stain his hands in blood, but protect the little charm from blood shed, very interesting indeed

[blakstealth]

Mikazuki, Orga, and co. do not mess around. I like that. /jokervoice

I didn't realize how much of a stone-cold killa Mikazuki was. I'm so glad that First Corps guy's death was swift; I couldn't take it anymore. And that old guy who willingly joined them seems kinda sleazy, but it seemed like he wasn't too happy being around the adults either.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Thinking about it the atrocious survival ratio for pilot surgery and long term side effects could account as to why MS pilots had to resort to duels during the Calamity Wars.

A conventional war you'd lose these special pilots. Gjallahorn pilots don't have the nanomachine pilot interface for their pilots. This is why despite having a more advanced MS they loose due to response time and lack of heightened spatial awareness.

[Skaddix]

Originally Posted by cyth

If she can execute any revolutionary plans that'll mostly depend on Orga, that is if he wants to be more ambitious than just bare survival or realizes that is the only way to survive. Probably the latter.

Lol makes me think Valverade. I can totally see a political marriage but yes I can see Orga going all the way, lets face it the show doesnt have much of a plot if they dont do that. Also Kudelia (might be better at politics then Orga) but she is no military leader.

[dienrachen]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

Thinking about it the atrocious survival ratio for pilot surgery and long term side effects could account as to why MS pilots had to resort to duels during the Calamity Wars.

A conventional war you'd lose these special pilots. Gjallahorn pilots don't have the nanomachine pilot interface for their pilots. This is why despite having a more advanced MS they loose due to response time and lack of heightened spatial awareness.

The 300-something years since the Calimity Wars may also have to do something with it. Weapons built during war will typically maximise the potential to win (=destroying the enemy and/or surviving combat); weapons built during peace will veer towards economic efficiency instead.

It's entirely possible that the Graze, while higher tech, simply can't catch up to old suits in terms of combat ability, having traded raw specs for maintenance costs/multipurpose utility.

EDIT: Just take a look at their armaments. The Graze has an axe - an efficient and simply design, probably easy to manufacture and needing little to no maintenance. The Barbatos, in contrast, has a spear that seems to incorporate thrusters and a whole pile-driver mechanism; lots of machinery which probably need maintenance given the punishment they endure. The difference in mentality shows - one of those suits was made to come out on top, no matter the cost.

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by Terrestrial Dream

Possibly, but yes Mika dueling makes perfect sense, after all he is the ace pilot. However, making Mika kill all the leader of the first squad... I don't know, I think Orga himself could have done that.

What would be point of Mika possibly risk his life to capture enemy alive just for sake of executing him later?