2015-10-20, 18:19 | Link #5362 | |
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But I personally don't think that. I think Kawahara's got love and obsession going hand in hand, if not being pretty much the same thing. And he does intertwine the subject of love with the virtual world theme. What with Kayaba ending up killing himself by pursuing his dreams and leaving the chick that was in love with him behind. His dreams, the virtual world, came first than love for him. And Kirito's pretty much the same. I'm not sure if he really does love Asuna, but he sure loves the virtual world more than anything.
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2015-10-20, 18:33 | Link #5363 |
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Interesting interpretation. Kirito does indeed have quite an interest in VR which you could describe as bordering on obsession. Apart from what Yuuki implies, there's little reason to think that he would end up like Kayaba though. Yuuki could simply be wrong about him as well. It's said by a character about a character, that's not a statement of facts.
I'm not sure where you'd get that either of them is obsessed in terms of their relationship though. Not seing Kirito heading anywhere near where Kayaba was honestly. |
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2015-10-20, 18:45 | Link #5365 | |
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Note that I said I don't think that way.
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2015-10-20, 19:38 | Link #5366 |
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Well, how should i put this. I think that Kirito is naturally very interested in VR, but it seemed to increase alot since he started trying to integrate Yui into the Real World.
I've always had the impression that Kirito's strong effort towards VR developement were basically a mixed bag between his intial desire and care for his virtual daughter. When Kirito is actually inside the UW, he's struggling to get out because he wants to get back to his lover. At the very end he's abandoning everything and doesn't tell Asuna about the incoming acceleration so that she would leave. As far as he is aware, he will not be able to live long enough because the acceleration is supposed to wear out his soul before those 200 years end. When he thinks himself alone, he's not mourning his future career in VR but that he will never see her again. If he actually were as self focused, he would have asked her to stay, but he would rather have her live an actual life outside instead of taking her with him for his own sake. I mean, he was brooding so long over asking Asuna to move to the U.S. with him that she had already guessed it before he really said it. And he almost didn't because he thought himself to be an egoist for it. It's not like he said "I'm moving, come with me or don't". I think it's quite okay to ask your lover if they would move with you. So, what i'm trying to say is, there's very much that shows his deep love for Asuna and he's constantly putting her before himself and his dreams. Imo, if he had to decide, he would go for Asuna over VR. I thought that i owed you an more elaborate response for what i meant when i called their relationship true love. It's not all there is to say, but i tried to focus on the VR/Love topic a bit. That's of course my personal interpretation and i'm pretty sure that ymmv. |
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I cant say how Asuna would fare in the UW, but she showed a great mental fortitude when she was caged alone. It's not like she hasn't proven herself to be tough if needed.
It wouldn't really help the story if Kirito kept faltering constantly and it's not like him either. I didn't get the impression that Kirito was particularily content with staying in the UW as well. Kirito says that he's still thinking about going to the U.S, not that he has decided. He also says that he really wants to see the U.S. VR. But he's also literally saying that he doesn't want to live without her. And he's quite afraid that she might say no to his proposition because of her own future plans. He doesn't say anything about whether he would go with or without her. But really, we're looking at the same scene and are using it for two interpretations that could hardly differ more. |
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2015-10-21, 02:12 | Link #5370 | |
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------------ btw, to other users here, things you guys arguing might be clearer if we focus on talking about romantic love. |
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2015-10-21, 08:45 | Link #5371 |
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Hi...first time here xD
First of all, the "love triangle", actually i think that this didnt exist, Kirito has never do something or thought of Alice in a romantic way, the only thing we can say that he thought about her was her beauty and since all we have is the summaries and i dont think this made Kirito fall in love for Alice, also may we include the fact that the summaries are a little biased, since the author seems to be a huge Kirito-Alice shipper. Even in the Vol 16 of the LN are some minor changes in the translation and the summaries that makes a difference in this matter...for example in the summaries Alice implies that she have a relationship with Kirito and in the LN she says that he is her responsability, changes from a romantic POV to a Responsability or maybe protector POV. (It can be a mistake from the translator, but all we can do is wait). My last point here is that in the end of the Alicization arc, Kirito is a lot more worried for explain his womanizer crimes to Asuna that the incoming battle and the Alice´s rescue xD, even take his time to explain to Asuna and have lovey-dovey moments while are literally in a time-race. Second, about the VR and Asuna. Indeed i think too that Kirito may be obsessed with the VR, but he also wants Asuna in his future and life, he says this a lot of times and since Asuna turns to be a little less obsessed with the VR too i dont think that this will be a problem. But talking seriusly Kirito is in deep love with Asuna and loves her just like the VR or even more, when he is talking with Asuna about go to the US, as EDred says, he is really afraid of go without Asuna, and we dont known if he is going to go without her, but he made pretty clear that he dont want to live without Asuna. In the end of Alicization, he doesnt tell Asuna about the aceleration rating, not because he dont want the stay with her, he doesnt say because he known that she could die if she stay, and they are both constantly putting their lives on risk for the safe of the other, but when he discover that Asuna stay with him he is also really happy and immidiatly overcome his depression for stay alone in UW, and in the end of the WN, we can say that all the plans that Kirito have for VR and UW includes Asuna, since the first or second thing that he does before back to UW with Alice is to call Asuna, and he says something about "their plans for make the people of RL and UW interact", so is clear that Kirito´s plans includes Asuna and since Asuna says that she would follow Kirito to the end of the world (and the fact that she stayed in UW for 200 years) i dont see why should be a problem all the VR thing. About the obsession stuff, Asuna didnt expect to be rescue for Kirito in the ALO arc, she dont even known where Kirito is or if he is alive. she only knowns about him in the last part, when Sugou says that he Knowns Kazuto in the realworld, so she didnt try or commit suicide because she was hoping to be rescued for Kirito, and if we talk abou suicide, we only have to remember what happened in the fight against Heathcliff, when Kirito after watch Asuna die, the first thing he do is make Heathcliff kill him xD. So...there is a difference between the Obsession and the romantic love between Asuna and Kirito, because first of all, Asuna doesnt have any plans for the future execpt to be with Kirito and not because she is obsessed, is because their plans are to have a family including Yui. She also knowns about the Kirito´s love for VR and doesnt bother her, because i m pretty sure that she feels the same about the VR (since she even consider her VR body has the same RL body). About Kirito, he always says that he doesnt want to live without Asuna and is afraid of a future without her, and we have to remember the fact that makes Kirito back to the VR is Asuna, his desire to rescue her (in the ALO LN he states that she is the only reason to back a VRworld after SAO), another fact and really important goal in the Kirito´s life is also Yui, he want her in the RL with Asuna, and yadda yadda yadda a lot of stuff like this. Personal conclusion, dont misunderstand the "lovey-dovey" relationship between Asuna and Kirito (since the author really likes to exaggerate the loveydovey xD) with obsession. I apologize for the long post and for my awfull english xD Last edited by Sheepthar; 2015-10-21 at 16:28. Reason: crimes* |
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Where do you get the romantic POV? The summaries look exactly the same as the LN and the WN. P.S. I don't read chinese but I use google. Basically the point is the summaries sounds the same as the one in LN or WN, no mention of any 'romantic'. |
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2015-10-22, 09:07 | Link #5377 | |
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Edit:Oh I forgot. I think you confused the part Asuna fought with Alice and the 24/7 part. Alice said these only when she met with Asuna at the same wagon the second time, not during the fight. Spoiler for WN:
Compared to LN(from rkl) Spoiler for LN:
I don't think its fair to call Flere biased, as there is a difference between the WN and the LN on this case. Last edited by BreadnButter; 2015-10-22 at 09:14. Reason: grammar + more stuff |
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I'm not really seeing the big difference honestly. Your explanation is similiar to the one qunow gives over at reddit:
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The only difference here are the 24 hours mentioned. |
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2015-10-23, 01:06 | Link #5380 | |
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Personally, I don't find his opinions getting in the way of translation. After all, he put his opinions in brackets only, not to the point of putting it in the summaries as well. |
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