(L) Mushoku Tensei -Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu- [WN]

[cabman11]

Originally Posted by Hakatri

Touki is magic as so do are blessings, since Zanoba can use magic and it doesnt debilitate his touki (or at least nobody mentions it, maybe he never realizes since he doesnt use magic to fight) we may consider the touki blessing as an excedding amount of magic always set in physical reinforcement

So about manga chapter 17

http://truyenv1.com/mushoku-tensei-i...-dasu-chap-17/

Looks like that naked guy opening his eyes in chapter 16 was indeed Hitogami but the idea of him being pixelated was played as a joke of his obscenesque-like appearance, however with that naked figure and only the eyes pixelated he indeed looks like a porn actor

Hitogami doesnt seems to be struggling while talking with Rudeus like he was in the LN (please believeeee meeeee! - no way, you are suspicious as fuck) and Rudeus looks too scared of Ruijerd when they first meet, it takes a lot from their interactions



I pictured Perugius more like Baan of Dai no Daibouken with more muscle and a little less age

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I will search a better image later but that guy surely had some sanpaku eyes

In case you guys didn't know this is where the Japanese meme "you can't escape the Great Satan" came from

[Kutra]

Originally Posted by MinusVitamin

Rudeus was suppose to be stillborn because the soul was not capable of handling such a large amount of magic power, if it was magic exhaustion then why didn't he get any strands of white hair when he collapsed from creating water balls?

Spoiler for Volume 17, chapter 2:

Orsted: "It is only because your body has the characteristic to harbor such a great quantity of magic. If you did not train your magic since childhood, you would only have a little more than an ordinary person. Maybe about the same as Sylphiette. That tremendous quantity of magic is the crystallization of your effort. You can be proud of yourself."

[Hakatri]

Originally Posted by kaisis

Great Job on the shabby attire.

Thanks

Originally Posted by Waxman

Rudeus hair didn't turn white the first time he used magic because he didn't push himself pass his limits he passed out before that happened, later when he fought Orsted or the Fighting God he pushed himself even after he was out of mana.
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Also, the fact that Sieg is a miko may be the result of the Laplace's factor.
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I know that from Lucy's POV Sieg only has superstrengh but if he is a miko like Zanoba the he also has steel-like skin.
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Laplace's body can only be harmed in his weak point that only the Speld/Supard can see with their "eye" or with Orsted's God Sword after all.

Sieg was supossed to be a crybaby while Zanoba had a skin with little sensitivity so maybe his touki was still incomplete or he is just mentally weak because he is a kid

I dont think Laplace body can only be harmed with a supard eye, i think it was more like a special technique protecting him because that weak point was supossed to be constantly moving, like some kind of Saint Dragon Touki made wth mana flow so there must be other ways to detect that mana or interrupt the technique while Orsted´s sword would be a brute force attack

Originally Posted by MinusVitamin

Nothing was mentioned about pushing past their limit whenever characters had white hair through magic exhaustion. It was just using nearly, or all of their magic.

I'm saying his hair isn't white because he didn't use up all his magic when he was dropping water balls, since his body holds a lot of it, he should've been able to cast more during that time before he fainted. He can hold a lot of magic, but that doesn't mean he can use all of it.

If Sieg is a miko, which were not sure yet, and if it was due to the Laplace Factor, then wouldn't his power involve fear inducement? Laplace Factor: Fear curse, Green hair, tremendous magic capacity, demon eye.

Laplace can be harmed, but can't be truly killed without a supard's third eye.


On another note:
From 257
"Q. If the President dies then would the current world keep on continuing? Or would it become like it never existed?
A. Until now, the outcome is that it never existed."

Soooo no alternate timelines? Oldeus's timeline never existed?

As far as we know the blessings/curses/magic-eyes are just magic power taking stable form as a side effect on the body/surroundings so the Laplace factor would increase the chances of them hapenning but there is no obligattion for the effects to involve fear inducement because just as it happened with Orsted that curse may be a side effect of the way they were before reincarnation, also Laplace already passed that curse on the Supards and dispersed it so he most likely will have another curse, maybe be a similar one or even a blessing

I think there are ways to truly kill a dragon tribe reincarnator and i think thats why Perugius is so determined to kill Laplace as if he were able to do it, maybe the souls simply dont go to the other side and there must be pushed out there

Orsted resets to his initial time and conditions are always the same but the Rewind miko was experimenting the changes on the loops every time she reseted while being trapped in a loop one would expect her to go back to her original time so its logical to assume she indeed was in her original time every time she experimented changes in the timeline, because the changes she caused into the past were still there when she reseted for the last time we can conclude it was the same timeline or she would not be able to be there, if she were able to make changes before Orsted was born then he would experiment the changes in the timeline as the Rewind miko did

As far as we know the Rewind Miko and Old Rudeus were the only ones who ever made changes into their own pasts but Old Rudeus had no rewind power so he had no way to reborn into his timeline to see the changes happening

[Hakatri]

Originally Posted by cabman11

In case you guys didn't know this is where the Japanese meme "you can't escape the Great Satan" came from

Ya really?

I had no idea, BTW after mentioning the Six Demon Council i must note that in the Dai no Daibouken manga the bad guy has an army with six generals, thats a little of a stretch but i like the resemblances, also i found some more fanart but they have no original direction so i have no idea where did they came from


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What a lovely couple...

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This styile is really refreshing but Hitogami looks more obsenesque-like than ever, Fitts looks cool

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And finally a very cool fanart about another bad future... or past?
I couldnt find an english version so there is the dialogue:

Zenith: im sorry... sob...sob
Paul: its fine...
*door opens*
Paul: why is he? Zenith, Lilia, run while i hold him back!
And the last line needs no traduction

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[sierra117]

Originally Posted by Hakatri

Ya really?

I had no idea, BTW after mentioning the Six Demon Council i must note that in the Dai no Daibouken manga the bad guy has an army with six generals, thats a little of a stretch but i like the resemblances, also i found some more fanart but they have no original direction so i have no idea where did they came from


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This styile is really refreshing but Hitogami looks more obsenesque-like than ever, Fitts looks cool

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And finally a very cool fanart about another bad future... or past?
I couldnt find an english version so there is the dialogue:

Zenith: im sorry... sob...sob
Paul: its fine...
*door opens*
Paul: why is he? Zenith, Lilia, run while i hold him back!
And the last line needs no traduction

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poor President

[MinusVitamin]

Originally Posted by Kutra

Spoiler for Volume 17, chapter 2:

Orsted: "It is only because your body has the characteristic to harbor such a great quantity of magic. If you did not train your magic since childhood, you would only have a little more than an ordinary person. Maybe about the same as Sylphiette. That tremendous quantity of magic is the crystallization of your effort. You can be proud of yourself."

"The fact that you have the Laplace factor, means that before you were born you possessed an aptitude towards magic and a big magic quantity. It would not be strange if the soul could not handle harboring all that amount of magic in your body."

Originally Posted by Hakatri

As far as we know the blessings/curses/magic-eyes are just magic power taking stable form as a side effect on the body/surroundings so the Laplace factor would increase the chances of them hapenning but there is no obligattion for the effects to involve fear inducement because just as it happened with Orsted that curse may be a side effect of the way they were before reincarnation, also Laplace already passed that curse on the Supards and dispersed it so he most likely will have another curse, maybe be a similar one or even a blessing

That's what i've been trying to explain. Waxman said his miko power was due to laplace, and I said it couldn't possibly be the case. Even if it were, there has to be a similarity to Laplace which is fear inducement. Of course, this is from what i've read in this series so far. And i've yet to know a character whose laplace factor was influenced by the individual themselves. Until i seen one, or it was verified then i will just stick with what was given. (not sure about Ghyslaine)

Originally Posted by Hakatri

I think there are ways to truly kill a dragon tribe reincarnator and i think thats why Perugius is so determined to kill Laplace as if he were able to do it, maybe the souls simply dont go to the other side and there must be pushed out there

If Laplace never knew the reincarnation method then he would've died normally. It was only because he knew that he survived. Perugius probably didn't know before because he to was an reincarnate but with lost memories.

Originally Posted by Hakatri

Orsted resets to his initial time and conditions are always the same but the Rewind miko was experimenting the changes on the loops every time she reseted while being trapped in a loop one would expect her to go back to her original time so its logical to assume she indeed was in her original time every time she experimented changes in the timeline, because the changes she caused into the past were still there when she reseted for the last time we can conclude it was the same timeline or she would not be able to be there, if she were able to make changes before Orsted was born then he would experiment the changes in the timeline as the Rewind miko did

As far as we know the Rewind Miko and Old Rudeus were the only ones who ever made changes into their own pasts but Old Rudeus had no rewind power so he had no way to reborn into his timeline to see the changes happening

Miko can't reset past 24 hrs (i think?), she can only remember the previous loops. She managed to reset thanks to Akito's influence on her, like Orsted straying away from fate and anything else he influence.
Well before the author confirmed that there were no other timelines, i was thinking that maybe her memories were due to her connecting with herself in alternate timelines, but i guess that wouldn't make sense now because then she would've been able to predict the future as well, so thats out the window.

[Hakatri]

Originally Posted by MinusVitamin

Miko can't reset past 24 hrs (i think?), she can only remember the previous loops. She managed to reset thanks to Akito's influence on her, like Orsted straying away from fate and anything else he influence.
Well before the author confirmed that there were no other timelines, i was thinking that maybe her memories were due to her connecting with herself in alternate timelines, but i guess that wouldn't make sense now because then she would've been able to predict the future as well, so thats out the window.

She couldnt reset other people more than 24 hours but that time she used her powers on herself so she was able to go back one day and from then go back one day and so on, the connection with Akito was only used to summon another person and itself has no influence over her powers, it was like going back to that day and rewinding the summoning all over again, i guess she exhausted her powers because she let them work outside her lifetime to keep the rewind going on automatic allowing her to reach the past using Nanahoshi

[MinusVitamin]

Originally Posted by Hakatri

She couldnt reset other people more than 24 hours but that time she used her powers on herself so she was able to go back one day and from then go back one day and so on, the connection with Akito was only used to summon another person and itself has no influence over her powers, it was like going back to that day and rewinding the summoning all over again, i guess she exhausted her powers because she let them work outside her lifetime to keep the rewind going on automatic allowing her to reach the past using Nanahoshi

Miko has a extremely weak fate, thus she cannot escape her destiny of dying even if she were to rewind herself by 24 hr, like how Rudeus just simply can't be killed whenever Hitogami tried. She didn't rewind herself 24 hrs repeatedly to the past.
It was due to Akito that she was able to escape that destiny and looped back 100yrs. Hitogami cannot predict how the metastasis event came to be, because the Miko became an anomaly opposing the law of the world, her actions cannot be read.

[Nihgthawk]

So the next two chapters of the manga have been translated and man was that Roxy chapter fun.

Spoiler for Spoiler:

To bad that the bard and those two adventures are living in Roa the mass teleport event is just a few days away.

[Hakatri]

Originally Posted by Nihgthawk

So the next two chapters of the manga have been translated and man was that Roxy chapter fun.

Spoiler for Spoiler:

To bad that the bard and those two adventures are living in Roa the mass teleport event is just a few days away.

I just finished them and yeah, they were fun, now Roxism has two more believers and Eris did the night crawling proving to be superior to a royal magicial

The manga art may be considered inferiot but is really hard to draw characters again and again in different positions but above all to draw scenarios is way more troublesome because of the details they must have specially when there are perspective changes so the manga art it quite fine for me but what i really like are Rudeus´s expressions like that one when he meet Roxy or the ones in the last birtday chapter

Speaking of wich, chapter 14 was a perfect way to adapt the story to an anime chapter, it merged that part of Rudeus learning languajes (with Roxism first holy book), the Ghyslaine interactions and the fake drama of the party with the funny moments and without stopping on secondary elements (well, they missed a status plate for the staff), even Philip offering a place to Rudeus was watered down to a moment of emotion to not to stay too much on an element that will be irrelevant really soon

To put it simply the plot never stops

However t makes me wonder again if this wont work against the possible anime because a big part of the anime style is the Limited Animation, this is when people are standing giving exposition, when the camera zoom into the facial expressions, when the camera moves from one point to another of a scenario while the characters talk, when they stand in one place charging power or explaining their powers; all of this are tricks to reduce the animation load and it has become a style but since Mushoku Tensei is filled with plot it also increases the production costs and since we already stated that the minimum needed is a 24 chapters first season it worries me even more

Wont we will be seeing an anime until the LN is almost finished?

Or they could take the Rosario Vampire approach and over fill it with ecchi to gather more audience , it wont stop worring me until i heard a decent studio take the project, the good ones i can think could be those who made Log Horizont because that story also had various scenarios, many secondary characters and adventurers with 24 chapters per season

[MinusVitamin]

Love seeing Rudeus's fake tears in action, and Eris asking Alphonse what to do.
And with that last page with Eris in Rudeu's room, we can guess exactly "how" she's going to cheer him up.

I'm honestly quite surprised how Roxy fell for that adventurer guy after a brief talk near a campfire, not so much when she slapped his face like a God. Damn, having a person who looks like a kid do that just makes it much more enjoyable. Just when you think her back grew bigger from seeing that, she just had to trip and fall like a clutz. Roxy will never change.


On an entirely different topic. I don't believe an anime is possible for now. If the author might start on the main story in Mushoku Tensei world then that might get animated depending how its written. They could then use the popularity from that to start the prologue Mushoku Tensei.

[FIBC]

an anime about an reincarnation in an another world is not something done these days. most of adaptations of ln are harem school. but i think when they begin to adapt isekai tensei stories, mt will be one of the first animes

[CNine]

Originally Posted by MinusVitamin

Love seeing Rudeus's fake tears in action, and Eris asking Alphonse what to do.
And with that last page with Eris in Rudeu's room, we can guess exactly "how" she's going to cheer him up.

I'm honestly quite surprised how Roxy fell for that adventurer guy after a brief talk near a campfire, not so much when she slapped his face like a God. Damn, having a person who looks like a kid do that just makes it much more enjoyable. Just when you think her back grew bigger from seeing that, she just had to trip and fall like a clutz. Roxy will never change.


On an entirely different topic. I don't believe an anime is possible for now. If the author might start on the main story in Mushoku Tensei world then that might get animated depending how its written. They could then use the popularity from that to start the prologue Mushoku Tensei.

FAte Zero : Mushoku Tensei Ver.

[MinusVitamin]

Originally Posted by FIBC

an anime about an reincarnation in an another world is not something done these days. most of adaptations of ln are harem school. but i think when they begin to adapt isekai tensei stories, mt will be one of the first animes

Considering the mature content, i doubt it would be popular in western countries. Many people i can imagine, would send complaints about the nature of the series. Putting aside Game of Thrones, In all honestly, i have found few faults in Mushoku Tensei as a story, and love it, but that's just me.

[Amuris]

not really. We actually have simulcasts of series that have sexual themes and content, more so than MT. The problem is the stuff he did before reincarnating or as a kid. The stuff from his old life was cleaned up in the LN version I think and the manga showing the stuff he pulled as a kid has been licenced from some time. Seven Seas released the first volume a week or two ago.

There really isn't a bases to say it won't happen because the west will reject it...we pretty much already accepted it.

Also, It think that the school harem setting is just due to the fact that Isekai is still relatively new. The majority of the stuff that's been publish from some years is school harem so most of the longer running series are that. The Isekai stories are still working on catching up and we see them getting a growing presence with things like Overlord (it counts) and the Kono Suba anime next season.

[FIBC]

isekai stories are one thing and there are already anime about like you just named. but isekai tensei stories are new so we will have to wait until one is adapted into an anime

[Hakatri]

Originally Posted by MinusVitamin

Love seeing Rudeus's fake tears in action, and Eris asking Alphonse what to do.
And with that last page with Eris in Rudeu's room, we can guess exactly "how" she's going to cheer him up.

Yeah, the dramatic pose incresed the fakeness of the tears and its effect on the family but now that you mention it it never crossed my mind that Eris was sent there to cheer him up, it makes sense

Originally Posted by MinusVitamin

Considering the mature content, i doubt it would be popular in western countries. Many people i can imagine, would send complaints about the nature of the series. Putting aside Game of Thrones, In all honestly, i have found few faults in Mushoku Tensei as a story, and love it, but that's just me.

Originally Posted by Amuris

There really isn't a bases to say it won't happen because the west will reject it...we pretty much already accepted it.

Lets remmember that one of the reasons anime has become stagnated is because there are little to no interest on the international market and most of the sales on international merchandasing are done way after the series have ended so there wont be that much interest on the possible complains from the western audience, and japan is famous for accepting all kinds of weird stuff so the mature part dont look like a problem but the marketing and the possible target audience they think will see Mushoku Tensei

Originally Posted by FIBC

isekai stories are one thing and there are already anime about like you just named. but isekai tensei stories are new so we will have to wait until one is adapted into an anime

Originally Posted by FIBC

an anime about an reincarnation in an another world is not something done these days. most of adaptations of ln are harem school. but i think when they begin to adapt isekai tensei stories, mt will be one of the first animes

Anime has reached a stable point of slow change with most moe ecchi harem stuff and emotion=power stories and a little amount of innovative arguments (and thats why there are so many Light novels being used as a source material instead of trying original self produced concepts) so its logical to assume the tensei genre will go a similar route starting with harem power trips and slowly going into more mature stories as the audience gets tired of the same crap all the time and thats why i think Mushoku Tensei will take after some time after other stories are animated

Personally i expect them first to animate something like Knights & Magic because it has potential for merchandising, also the rpg reincarnation stories are a good way to clear the path and later a short season of Arifureta or RE:Monster (less likely) because they have power trips and girls all over the place but in Mushoku Tensei we never see the girls figthing for the MC or Rudeus pulling some nakama power to save the day because he is sooo right

Can someone give me a summary of the Kono Suba anime prevoiusly mentioned? does it has the elements i mentioned? (power trips and girls fighting for the MC)

[Amuris]

To be fair, Rudeus does use nakama power to get through most things. He just doesn't do it the BS way shounen protags do. He uses the true nakama power called "having connections."

[Hakatri]

Originally Posted by Amuris

To be fair, Rudeus does use nakama power to get through most things. He just doesn't do it the BS way shounen protags do. He uses the true nakama power called "having connections."

At this point "Nakama Power" is understood as the characters getting power out of nowhere to save their friends (best example is Fairy Tail) so if there is a logical reason behind said conflict resolve we are not talking about nakama power but about actual plot

Like that time when Fitts tried to lure Rudeus to the forest to seduce him but he came up with a plan to gather his contacts and clear the zone "by coincidence", thats actual plot

[MinusVitamin]

http://www.world-three.org/books/mus...comment-131410

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