(L) Dungeon ni Deai o Motomeru no wa Machigatte Iru Darou ka (LN)

[quigonkenny]

Crossing my fingers for a Sword Oratoria adaptation announcement.

EDIT: Just realized that both the mangas are available for free (latest chapter or two plus first chapter) online in Japanese at the official site (Gangan Online), in an HTML5 reader. Cool. Resolution isn't quite up to what I've come to expect from official online sources, but then again, Gangan is also selling the Danmachi mangas in a periodical, whereas YJ's OPM website, for instance, is the only official Japanese way to get the manga until tankoubons are released.

[AP24]

Someone at the Gangan GA festival said Sword Oratoria anime was announced!!
This better not be a troll, waiting for official news.

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by AP24

Someone at the Gangan GA festival said Sword Oratoria anime was announced!!
This better not be a troll, waiting for official news.

Yea until it's officially announced by the publisher or studio I won't believe anything every festival we get "news" that some random anime has been announced I remember it happened with Index III, Rokujyouma II even fucking Full Metal Panic like 4 years ago. So unless it's officially announced by them take those with a grain of salt. Personally I doubt it, it's extremely rare for a spinoff with inferior sales(last I checked) to get an adaptation, especially when an OVA for the main series got announced(I think), I mean rumor has it Index III is gonna get announced at the end of Heavy Object but I'm skeptical because JC Staff.

[AP24]

Originally Posted by Somethindarker

Yea until it's officially announced by the publisher or studio I won't believe anything every festival we get "news" that some random anime has been announced I remember it happened with Index III, Rokujyouma II even fucking Full Metal Panic like 4 years ago. So unless it's officially announced by them take those with a grain of salt. Personally I doubt it, it's extremely rare for a spinoff with inferior sales(last I checked) to get an adaptation, especially when an OVA for the main series got announced(I think), I mean rumor has it Index III is gonna get announced at the end of Heavy Object but I'm skeptical because JC Staff.

Actually Sword Oratoria is selling well, above 50k per volume maybe even close to 100k. Perhaps they're hoping anime adaptation of Sword Oratoria will cause sales to be above 100k per volume like the main volumes.

Also, a lot of people who went there have tweeted the same thing so Sword Oratoria is pretty much officially confirmed!!!

[quigonkenny]

And confirmed. Officially. Now we just wait to see when and how many episodes it gets.

I, for one, welcome our new flat-chested trickster goddess overlord...

Methinks it's about time for DanMachi to get its own subforum, as well. Having two separate but related properties get anime adaptations should qualify it.

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

And confirmed. Officially. Now we just wait to see when and how many episodes it gets.

Methinks it's about time for DanMachi to get its own subforum, as well. Having two separate but related properties get anime adaptations should qualify it.

Well now that's interesting.

Personally I don't think it needs a subforum maybe if the novels were in the 15+ volume mark and we've pretty much discussed every little thing to death already. The anime forum is good to contain the new questions and this thread is good for new releases etc;

[Zefyris]

SO should be more "anime friendly" so it could give something quite entertaining as a result.

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

I can't believe you or anyone would get this upset over literally the last minute or two of the last episode, especially when it's so easily resolved. Did you miss the fact that this series is a comedy? Repeating a scene, especially if the first iteration is given a comic resolution, is at worst a failed joke, and might end up being an improvement, both in humor and, if they do it right, in plot development. It won't keep anyone from tuning in, unless they were already bent on not doing so, and I imagine there would be a fair number of fans of the original LN who would be even more likely to tune in just to see how they resolve it.

Who told you I was upset? I'm not even a fan of NGNL. And since I'm a novel reader before anything else, I couldn't care less about never seeing a second season for NGNL you know. I'm simply stating fact. They made it harder for anyone to do a second season for no logical reasons. Is anything in your post saying otherwise? No. So they made it harder. For no gain whatsoever. There is no positive consequences from it, only negatives one. That's called screwing up. Plain and simple.

Not arguing Monogatari, but I've got to wonder if you've even read the DanMachi LNs. Bell (or the narrator/whoever the POV character is at the moment) mentions Hestia's prodigious bosom about every other time she comes up, and there are several scenes where the "jiggling" ("giggling" is laughing) of her (and others') breasts is specifically mentioned. Her character design for the anime—ribbons and all—is taken right from the light novel illustrations. And that's only what I've gathered from the first two volumes. Anime may have a lot of fetishy content, but what do you expect? It's a visual medium. Any visual aspect of the original story is going to be more pronounced.

I've read it, thanks. Probably more than you, as well, since I'm up to date (but maybe you are too~).
A physical part of someone being mentioned isn't fanservice to me. IF she's big breasted then mentioning her bosom during a description of her is logical.
The ribons is from the illustrations, yes, but never ever get mentioned in the novels. We couldn't be further away from the buzz it made with the anime. YEs anime has a lot of fetishy content. I'm glad you admit it. And they choose to remove important scenes and explanations to add /keep them even though they were not necessary to the plot. Being a visual content doesn't mean that you need to have big breasts jiggling (thanks for the correction btw) in front of the camera so many times.

[AP24]

It actually makes more sense to make Sword Oratoria anime than DanMachi second season anime. Sword Oratoria also had boost in LN sales thanks to the DanMachi first season anime but it still hasn't sold as much as the main volumes. At this point making DanMachi second season anime won't make a lot of money but Sword Oratoria can.

Sword Oratoria anime should air during Summer or Fall season. Maybe second season will be announced next year.

[Sparteh]

Could someone summarize romantic development in the volumes which were not adapted?

[Zefyris]

Originally Posted by Sparteh

Could someone summarize romantic development in the volumes which were not adapted?

Spoiler for romance in volume 6-9:

-Finn ask Lili in marriage. Lili choose to remain with Bell and refuses.
-Welf becomes more active/assertive toward his love target. Said love target is quite pleased by it but do not show it in front of him.
-Hestia confirms directly that Ais has absolutely NO romantic feeling toward Bell by the end of volume 8 (Since Hestia is a god that's 100% truth as she can see through any mortal's lies). Since Ais doesn't really appear in volume 9, no romantic feelings up to the current volume.
-Since Bell's rare skill still works, no change for his feelings toward Ais
-However Hestia managed on her end to make Bell changes his opinion about being in love with a God. Making him understand that gods are okay with having their loved one die far before them as a consequence of immortality and so on. Bell has a hard time accepting this at first, saying that such relationship would only bring out sadness for the immortal one (similar to what holo was saying in spice & wolf actually). HE acknowledge that it's a possibility by the end of volume 8. Meaning that Hestia is actually having some success in opening the possibility of a relationship between her and Bell. Bell still is in love with Ais though.
-Mikoto is trying to have Takemikazuchi look at her as a woman. To the disappointment of everyone around, he's so much into thinking of them as his children that he doesn't see it. Although Mikoto manages to get a little promise from him that please her, the intent of Takemikazuchi behind that promise has nothing to do with romance lol.
-Haruhime kind of fell in love with Bell.
-Aisha thinks that Bell's genetics would be good material for children, and kind of want to rape him in order to have that genetic material . She even proposed to join Hestia familia, to the horror of Hestia herself. I'm not taking you in, Bell's chastity would be in danger!"
-Tione has no real success with Finn. FOr a very simple reason. It's not that Finn doesn't understand Tione's feelings, but Finn's whole life has been devoted toward a goal that would be for naught if he were to choose Tione as a partner. He seems to feel really sorry for her (as well as being frightened by her jealousy lol, even "Braver" himself run away in such case .
-Several peoples in love with Eina but to no avail. It seems like she's never really considered Bell as a potential boyfriend before, mainly being like that toward him like she was like that toward the previous adventurers she was in charge of (said adventurers fell in love with her though xD ). Some events makes Eina think about Bell differently, to her surprise/confusion. She doesn't really seem like she's going to go that route though.
-To the annoyance of Allen Fromel, Syr continues to go toward Bell. No real development, but Bell learns a bit more about Syr.
-Asufi is having a hard time with Hermes, as usual. She really didn't choose an easy love target.
-Tiona has still no love target. LEfiya is still somehow into Ais
-Bete is still in love with Ais but has no success so far. Although he quite redeemed himself in her eyes ImO? That guy was heroic, no doubt about it.

I think that's it? Or did I forgot someone?

[Sparteh]

Originally Posted by Zefyris

Spoiler for romance in volume 6-9:

-Finn ask Lili in marriage. Lili choose to remain with Bell and refuses.
-Welf becomes more active/assertive toward his love target. Said love target is quite pleased by it but do not show it in front of him.
-Hestia confirms directly that Ais has absolutely NO romantic feeling toward Bell by the end of volume 8 (Since Hestia is a god that's 100% truth as she can see through any mortal's lies). Since Ais doesn't really appear in volume 9, no romantic feelings up to the current volume.
-Since Bell's rare skill still works, no change for his feelings toward Ais
-However Hestia managed on her end to make Bell changes his opinion about being in love with a God. Making him understand that gods are okay with having their loved one die far before them as a consequence of immortality and so on. Bell has a hard time accepting this at first, saying that such relationship would only bring out sadness for the immortal one (similar to what holo was saying in spice & wolf actually). HE acknowledge that it's a possibility by the end of volume 8. Meaning that Hestia is actually having some success in opening the possibility of a relationship between her and Bell. Bell still is in love with Ais though.
-Mikoto is trying to have Takemikazuchi look at her as a woman. To the disappointment of everyone around, he's so much into thinking of them as his children that he doesn't see it. Although Mikoto manages to get a little promise from him that please her, the intent of Takemikazuchi behind that promise has nothing to do with romance lol.
-Haruhime kind of fell in love with Bell.
-Aisha thinks that Bell's genetics would be good material for children, and kind of want to rape him in order to have that genetic material . She even proposed to join Hestia familia, to the horror of Hestia herself. I'm not taking you in, Bell's chastity would be in danger!"
-Tione has no real success with Finn. FOr a very simple reason. It's not that Finn doesn't understand Tione's feelings, but Finn's whole life has been devoted toward a goal that would be for naught if he were to choose Tione as a partner. He seems to feel really sorry for her (as well as being frightened by her jealousy lol, even "Braver" himself run away in such case .
-Several peoples in love with Eina but to no avail. It seems like she's never really considered Bell as a potential boyfriend before, mainly being like that toward him like she was like that toward the previous adventurers she was in charge of (said adventurers fell in love with her though xD ). Some events makes Eina think about Bell differently, to her surprise/confusion. She doesn't really seem like she's going to go that route though.
-To the annoyance of Allen Fromel, Syr continues to go toward Bell. No real development, but Bell learns a bit more about Syr.
-Asufi is having a hard time with Hermes, as usual. She really didn't choose an easy love target.
-Tiona has still no love target. LEfiya is still somehow into Ais
-Bete is still in love with Ais but has no success so far. Although he quite redeemed himself in her eyes ImO? That guy was heroic, no doubt about it.

I think that's it? Or did I forgot someone?

Thanks. That was much more than I expected. First volumes felt simply as characters loving brick walls... Good to find out that there is some sort of progress.

[Kuroageha]

Saw it coming miles away.

[Lhklan]

What about Ryu? Also who's Welf's target? (Not quite up do date sorry

And this might just be me but I think it's less "Ais have no romantic feeling toward Bell" and more "Ais is emotionally stunted so she doesn't understand love this no romantic feeling yet"

[Kuroageha]

It's obvious who is.

[Zefyris]

Originally Posted by Lhklan

What about Ryu? Also who's Welf's target? (Not quite up do date sorry

And this might just be me but I think it's less "Ais have no romantic feeling toward Bell" and more "Ais is emotionally stunted so she doesn't understand love this no romantic feeling yet"

Ryu Afaik has no love target? From what I've seen, at least. No development about anything of the sort either- I think?
Welf has good taste so he's obviously goingafter the best goddess out there.

Spoiler for pic:

And for Ais, sorry but no. She understand the idea of being a couple. And she doesn't consider Bell as a potential partner at all. As I said, you can't hide anything from a god. If there was even a tiny bit of feeling toward him in Ais right now, she would have discerned it EVEN if Ais wasn't able to discern it herself.

[Somethindarker]

Originally Posted by Zefyris

Ryu Afaik has no love target? From what I've seen, at least. No development about anything of the sort either- I think?

If I remember correctly she has SOME feelings for Bell but last I read she was exploring those feelings since she doesn't know what they are, hell even I don't know what they are. All we know is that she respects Bell, she doesn't feel repulsed when he touches her and wants to be around him.

Originally Posted by Zefyris

And for Ais, sorry but no. She understand the idea of being a couple. And she doesn't consider Bell as a potential partner at all. As I said, you can't hide anything from a god. If there was even a tiny bit of feeling toward him in Ais right now, she would have discerned it EVEN if Ais wasn't able to discern it herself.

This is why I started to dislike(dislike is a strong word but I don't hate her more like find her annoying) Ais, personally I'm not a fan these kind of autistic characters who are a blank slate. Especially when the entire point of them(most of the time) is that they're guarding their true feelings over that shell of autism. In the main series, sure, it's forgivable since she's not the stories focus and it makes her somewhat curious but then I read S.O. and was very disappointed in it I dropped it mid volume 2 or 3 which I've never done.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Zefyris

Ryu Afaik has no love target? From what I've seen, at least. No development about anything of the sort either- I think?
Welf has good taste so he's obviously goingafter the best goddess out there.

Spoiler for pic:

And for Ais, sorry but no. She understand the idea of being a couple. And she doesn't consider Bell as a potential partner at all. As I said, you can't hide anything from a god. If there was even a tiny bit of feeling toward him in Ais right now, she would have discerned it EVEN if Ais wasn't able to discern it herself.

WelfxHeph OTP

As for Ais, that's either bias from whatever ship you sail (BellxHestia by the sound of it) clouding your perceptions or her feelings have changed since the early volumes, since there is clearly some kind of love for Bell present in Ais even through the officially translated LNs and the SO manga. She may not recognize it for what it is, which might be fouling up Hestia's love radar (or Hestia may be fouling up her own love radar, which sounds like something she would do), and it may not be purely romantic, but it's there.

And Ryuu clearly has feelings for Bell. No way he flusters her like that just because she doesn't want to get in Syr's way. That wouldn't even come to mind if she didn't have feelings for him. There's also the whole letting him touch her thing.

Full disclosure: I ship harem ending, so far as I ship, which isn't much. Leaves you too dismissive of the clues the author gives that don't fit your wishes.

[AceTrigger]

The results from the Main Couple poll is out and the short story of a date with Bell goes to...

Spoiler:

http://bookwalker.jp/ex/sp/danmachi-...dpcnt=7qM_Vsb0

[Zefyris]

Wow, I was persuaded it would be Ais, that's a surprise.

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

And Ryuu clearly has feelings for Bell. No way he flusters her like that just because she doesn't want to get in Syr's way. That wouldn't even come to mind if she didn't have feelings for him. There's also the whole letting him touch her thing.

Full disclosure: I ship harem ending, so far as I ship, which isn't much. Leaves you too dismissive of the clues the author gives that don't fit your wishes.

I don't see it like that. She's simply really trusting him, and opened to him. This may turn into a romance later,but just like Ais, it's not the case right now.

Originally Posted by Somethindarker

This is why I started to dislike(dislike is a strong word but I don't hate her more like find her annoying) Ais, personally I'm not a fan these kind of autistic characters who are a blank slate. Especially when the entire point of them(most of the time) is that they're guarding their true feelings over that shell of autism. In the main series, sure, it's forgivable since she's not the stories focus and it makes her somewhat curious but then I read S.O. and was very disappointed in it I dropped it mid volume 2 or 3 which I've never done.

So just because the girl doesn't like the MC, she's autistic and you dislike her/find her annoying? Like what, since when a female character loved by the MC doesn't have any right to not like the MC and not see him as a potential partner?

She has good reason to not see him as a potential partner. Just like Finn is rejecting Tione for good reason, for Ais, Bell doesn't fit the requirement for being her partner. And those requirement are, just like Finn, linked to her goal, something she's been aiming at most of her life,putting her life on the line as soon as when she was 7 years old, for it.
It's not to Ais to change her opinion on Bell. It's up to Bell to change himself to fill the requirements. He's trying hard to fill them, so just give him the time for this one.

And BTW, Bell is not the only one trying to fit those requirements. Bete has been trying very hard seen a far longer time. And if we're only looking under the angle of "trying hard to be a proper partner for Ais", I would say that Bete currently deserves Ais more than Bell on that point.

[RDNexus]

Zefyris, could you PM me about those goals of Ais & Finn? Curiosity's sake.