Mahouka LN - Master Clan Conference Arc (Volumes 17, 18, & 19) Discussion / Poll

[Hata]

Originally Posted by Crazy Frog

Prelude to Terror , title for next volume is true or not?

[動乱の序章] Preface of Upheaval

terror is such a strong, and in this case, wrong word.

[somejima]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

I didn't interpret it like that, all they are afraid of is MB and it's the magic which is sealed at the cost of Miyuki's lack of control. Miyuki can seal everything but at the cost of her own magic. If Tatsuya loses ES he won't be able to use magic. His AMCA can't be limited, they have no reason to do this in the first place, the AMCA itself is weak but its has some benefits. Pledge must be the magic Yakumo was seeing in volume 1.

Well I also share the same opinion as amtro, that all his magical abilities are affected by the seal and not just MB.

Originally Posted by mashingan

The "magic resource" he didn't stated of what kind resource it was. Also he didn't touch the topic of seal too, nothing could be inferred though.

I think we can just guess unless Tats himself confirms anything.

[amtro]

Pledge does not discriminate between Tatsuya's abilities. It screws up his aim and his concentration. That's it. Without the ability to target and decompose at a certain level he can't use MB. It affects all his abilities, there is no middle thing. Says so right there in black and white.

[azarhal]

What I take from the description, is that Pledge can affect all of Tatsuya's abilities and even his will, but the magic allow the "owner" (Miyuki in this case) to decide how much is affected at any given time.

That's why Miyuki told Tatsuya she could make him blind if she wanted in Steeplechase (I think it was in that arc at least).

[Crazy Frog]

Originally Posted by Hata

[動乱の序章] Preface of Upheaval

terror is such a strong, and in this case, wrong word.

Thanks for translation

[Medivh]

There is a q&a about this.

Spoiler:

BD/DVD特典 魔法科高校の劣等生 横浜騒乱編3 GUIDE BOOK 教えて！佐島先生！ 特別編 質問3
Q.深雪が達也に科している魔法力の封印と解放について詳しく教えてください
A.達也と深雪の双方に掛けられた精神干渉系魔法で、深雪の魔法制御力を使って達也の魔法演算領域の機能を 部分的にブロックしています。
　元々は西暦2092年8月の沖縄戦（原作八巻「追憶編」、アニメの一話冒頭）の後、二人の母親である深夜 が編み出し行使した魔法です。深夜はまず、達也 の魔法演算領域に深雪の魔法制御力を受け入れる一種のバックドアを作りました。そして今度は、深雪の魔法を 制御する能力を使って達也の分解魔法に制限を掛 けました。この所為で達也は「マテリアル・バースト」を自由に使えず、深雪は自分の魔法を制御しきれずに暴 走させてしまうようになりました。
　深夜の死後、このシステムは四葉の分家当主に引き継がれましたが、分家の魔法ではこの仕組みを継続的に維 持することはできず、深雪が自分で自分に魔法を 掛けるような形式に変更せざるを得ませんでした。その魔法の性質上、深雪に解除の鍵を持たせる必要があった のです。それが「達也の額に深雪が唇で触れる」 という動作でした。
　ですから、封印の解除は達也の魔法力の全解放であるのと同時に、深雪が本来の魔法制御力を取り戻すことで もあります

[mashingan]

^Thanks, this is the very info about "seal" that I wanted.

[TrueAlchemist]

Originally Posted by mashingan

Spoiler for chapter 12:

Gu Jie at that time was still sleeping and when he felt the sight, he immediately woke up and deploy magic barrier circle. At first the barrier destroyed and he redeployed it. But no second time. There was no any wound in Gu Jie's body but he knew his position was already detected.

Before morning practice in Kyuujouji, Tatsuya explained to Miyuki he intended to catch Gu Jie instead of eliminating him that's why he only break the first barrier.
Tatsuya actually put the psion marker to Gu Jie's Eidos so he could always track Gu Jie at will.

At the morning with usual practice, after training, Yakumo said/asked on how Tatsuya's mission progress. Tatsuya said "still no good" (with exclusion of what he did together with Miyuki at dawn). Yakumo then said that he would help if Tatsuya asking him. At first, Tatsuya thought Yakumo was joking so he took the bait and asking for help. Surprisingly (to Tatsuya), Yakumo agreed to help Tatsuya.

Thanks you for sharing. I have a question on few parts:
First, this is interesting; Tatsuya's eye seems better than advanced magic technology of USNA. lol. So, once Tatsuya put psion marker on Gu Jie, does it work similar to Nakura's blood in Zhou during Kyoto Arc? Did Gu Jie realizes that he was marked later in the volume?

Second, did Tatsuya sensed, somebody is behind Yakumo? Or, did Yakumo tell Tatsuya any information or warning regarding Toudou Aoba in the volume?

[-Mahesvara_]

About the seal discussion, in the Q&A booklet of the third Blu-ray set, Satou stated the seal restricts the strength and range of his magic and he never said anything about the seal only restricting MB.

[Zeborg]

Hmm, catching up to the thread, but there doesn't seem to be that much this time around. It's lucky we have mashingan here to give out some nice info..

Originally Posted by mashingan

Actually after reading some pages in chapter 13, his name actually John, John Dow. It explained he just a ridiculous person that shorten his name to Jo.

John Doe, right? Link
Somewhat unimaginative of a name.

For Tatsuya-Miyuki shipper, you should read chapter 12 to know to what extent Tatsuya's feeling to Miyuki

Spoiler for chapter 12:

-snip

I'm sorry couldn't elaborate more. The more detailed than that it seemed it would be violating rules (that's what I thought).

I'm just wondering... What was the reason Tatsuya asked Miyuki to come in with such light clothing?

Originally Posted by azarhal

All I see in that text is what Miya explained in vol 16: his mind was altered to break down the moment Miyuki dies. It's probably triggered via him losing Miyuki's life sign via ES.

Well no, it's not like that. He's just that dependent on Miyuki. It's not like there's some kill trigger in his brain that automatically activates like he's a robot. The way he thinks about Miyuki in itself isn't really anything new.
But the way this reads to me, Tatsuya acts a bit OOC in terms of what we've come to expect. Him being embarrassed and wanting to hold Miyuki like that.. He usually doesn't show that kind of a side to even Miyuki.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by Zeborg

I'm just wondering... What was the reason Tatsuya asked Miyuki to come in with such light clothing?


Well no, it's not like that. He's just that dependent on Miyuki. It's not like there's some kill trigger in his brain that automatically activates like he's a robot. The way he thinks about Miyuki in itself isn't really anything new.
But the way this reads to me, Tatsuya acts a bit OOC in terms of what we've come to expect. Him being embarrassed and wanting to hold Miyuki like that.. He usually doesn't show that kind of a side to even Miyuki.

I thought about it and I think it was to calm himself. He said he starts going ballistic if he takes his eyes off Miyuki. It must be to an irrational degree to the point he needed skin-to-skin physical contact to reassure himself she was safe. He basically used her as fluff.

[azarhal]

Originally Posted by Zeborg

Well no, it's not like that. He's just that dependent on Miyuki. It's not like there's some kill trigger in his brain that automatically activates like he's a robot.

Miya told him in vol 16 that his mind was designed to make him break apart and burn the world as soon as he lose Miyuki.

That sound very much like a kill trigger in the brain that will automatically activates to me.

[dragon213]

Man, so Toshikazu was turned into a puppet and Tatsuya had no choice but to kill him? Even if he sometimes seems emotional since he can't feel strong emotions because of what they did to him as a kid, it still can't have been easy for him to kill Toshikazu since he was Erika's brother, and it did seem like he was actually angry about it, something he usually only see when something happens to Miyuki. So I'm pretty sure that Erika will learn that he didn't have a choice but to kill him, are the chances that she will lose her feelings for him because of this?

I know the chances of her being with him is acually close around zero precent, but even so, I since I really like her and because she's quite cute, I would think it's a little sad if that happen (the author might use this to push her and Leo together), but I wouldn't be surprised if it did happen, after all, even if he didn't want to or not, he did kill her brother.

while I know this story is pretty centered around the relationship of the siblings, I do wish that he doesn't end up with Miyuki, I know that she love him and all that, but come on, that's her brother, but I'm pretty convinced that he will end up with her no matter what I think.

[Zeborg]

Originally Posted by azarhal

Miya told him in vol 16 that his mind was designed to make him break apart and burn the world as soon as he lose Miyuki.

That sound very much like a kill trigger in the brain that will automatically activates to me.

You're reading too much into it. I mean there are a couple of factors of course, first as you know Tatsuya can't feel strong emotions for anyone but Miyuki, which sort of makes Miyuki his drug.
Then there's the fact that Tatsuya was implemented with the wish of Maya, that was world destruction. And hence Maya calls him her child in spirit.
Then, you also have to consider that Tatsuya was raised in an environment where he had to go through extreme hardship and he was more or less surrounded by enemies. Which has likely affected his outlook on the worth of humans other than Miyuki and life itself. He's probably unable to find any true joy in life if it isn't through Miyuki, and the reason he would destroy the world is because the world robbed him of that joy and he just doesn't care enough about anything else. Sort of like Maya wants to destroy the world for robbing her of her happiness. It would be the same thing.

And you can clearly see in volume 8 for example that, Maya didn't seem to be lying. Just look at how Tatsuya acts whenever there's possible danger to Miyuki. He goes nuts. You can pretty easily segue that into Tatsuya destroying the world if Miyuki died.

[Nozomu Itoshiki]

Originally Posted by dragon213

So Tatsuya killed Erika's brother? Why exactly did he do that?

What about reading the thread?

[MRD143]

Originally Posted by -Mahesvara_

About the seal discussion, in the Q&A booklet of the third Blu-ray set, Satou stated the seal restricts the strength and range of his magic and he never said anything about the seal only restricting MB.

Miyuki partially blocks Tatsuya's Magic Calculation Area functions. The seal being used now is different from the one Miya first used on Tatsuya.

[Fairy Water]

Originally Posted by mashingan

It actually Tatsuya requested something, but it seemed funny on how he teased (bully?) Mayumi

Spoiler:

Tatsuya requested Mayumi to mobilize the police.
Mayumi knew the intent but she still couldn't accept so easily. Because Tatsuya request was at noon (no indication of time though) and the requested time for mobilization was at night.

She asked why to her? Tatsuya replied, because Saegusa had close relation with police. Hearing that she couldn't hide her bad mood because she need the power of her father. She then joked to Tatsuya to ask his "girlfriend" instead of her. She meant by "girlfriend" was Erika. Tatsuya replied back, "If Saegusa-senpai permitted it then I'd do so", immediately Mayumi said "Please, I beg you don't do that". Tatsuya then asked to confirm, "but the mobilization would be this night", she replied "I know, I know. I'll have it mobilized at dusk so please stop bully me anymore" (Actual lines 「分かったから！夕方までには手配するから！だからそんなにじめないで！」)

Same shit as always

Mayumi would try to tease Tat or tsundere with him but always fail miserably
But I actually surprised she used the 'girlfriend' term to joke about Erika even though she knew Tat is soon to be Miyuki's husband.

[amtro]

Miya didn't use a seal on Tatsuya, she was the final resort in case he went bonkers. With her magic she would knock him out and deprive him of his magic abilities. Gate was a magic that governed the subconscious. With it she could shut him down if he ever became a threat. Miyuki's cocytus is derived from that, but the difference is that Miyuki can only use it to kill. In that respect, Gate is superior.

[Aika Natsume]

Was it known that the 4th lab was focused on mental interference magic? Coz i thought that mental interference are prohibited or something like that. If its known wouldnt it a given that Yotsuba has this kind of unique power?

Tatsuya doing that to Miyuki was his assurance that Miyuki is safe as he release his eyes from her and focus it on Gu Jie. But why on swim wear though??

Gate is superior when it comes to subduing Tatsuya's magic coz it is governed in the subconscious and wouldnt kill the person. Miyuki freeze the mind like total shut down, the person that is affected by cocytus cant even blink.

[mashingan]

Originally Posted by TrueAlchemist

Thanks you for sharing. I have a question on few parts:
First, this is interesting; Tatsuya's eye seems better than advanced magic technology of USNA. lol. So, once Tatsuya put psion marker on Gu Jie, does it work similar to Nakura's blood in Zhou during Kyoto Arc? Did Gu Jie realizes that he was marked later in the volume?

Second, did Tatsuya sensed, somebody is behind Yakumo? Or, did Yakumo tell Tatsuya any information or warning regarding Toudou Aoba in the volume?

1. Yes, it was explained that the idea same as Nakura's blood. But because Tatsuya couldn't just simply send his blood so he sent some distinctive lump of psion and put it in Gu Jie's Eidos. Gu Jie didn't notice that. In chapter 13, Gu Jie was adept at controlling life-force which make Tatsuya really angry to him.
So I think it was safe to say Eidos didn't related to life-force. (Eidos was written like this right? 体情報, literally it means object information)

2. Yakumo didn't touch that subject, although Yakumo said with disgust even he didn't want to be involved any worldly matter, he just couldn't do that easily.


For chapter 13, I'll post the summary later.

Originally Posted by Zeborg

John Doe, right? Link
Somewhat unimaginative of a name.

I'm just wondering... What was the reason Tatsuya asked Miyuki to come in with such light clothing?

I thought of it first, but is Satroll really that simple?
But it explained that person in question, John Doe, was a ridiculous man that shorten his name from John to Joe, and his facial feature was plain with no distinctive whatever so I think you're correct with naming of John Doe.

I think it's to perceive Miyuki beside from seeing her. So with him embracing Miyuki, it was the same as Miyuki became one with him, don't you think it's so lovely?

Originally Posted by bakato

I thought about it and I think it was to calm himself. He said he starts going ballistic if he takes his eyes off Miyuki. It must be to an irrational degree to the point he needed skin-to-skin physical contact to reassure himself she was safe. He basically used her as fluff.

Yes, in that chapter too, he basically realize what emotion actually is. Logically he knew that it's not like in Yokohama incident, and Miyuki was near him. But emotionally he couldn't let his eyes off from Miyuki.

Miyuki already knew from her mother, Miya, that only emotion Tatsuya had was feeling toward her, but she never knew to that extent. And it was coming from Tatsuya directly