(L) Overlord [LN]

[Darkligh]

It's the prolgue bundled with the DVD releases. The fantranslators that used to do the novel did a translation for both parts and we learn a lot about the REAL world and how fucked up of a place it is

[Buggerman]

i just got duped damn it!!!

ah well.. it's my fault anyway.. forgot about april mob thing..

[Desmonddf]

Originally Posted by Darkligh

I could not disagree more. There's plenty of other novels who protect your precious human morals. Go read those.

It´s least a question about morals being precious or not (specialy since most of them are unconscious and undefined, so they end up being different for each person) and more about actions and consequences.

People do a half-assed job teaching others about morals. But when you read deep enough into them, their origins and reasons you realize most of them aren´t voices of gods or any kind of mystical thing - they are merely chaoticaly accumulated knowledge about what kind of actions bring profit for one´s life and what kind of actions bring loses.

For instance, the enormous loss of opportunities Ainz is facing right now. All he had with his former conrades, and a lot more, he could get if he was a little more wise and had a little more emotional inteligence. But he will lose it, probably forever.

That said, maybe you should use your own advice ? Don´t like my comments, don´t read them. There´s plenty of comments around more suited to your tastes, i´m sure

[Darkligh]

Originally Posted by Desmonddf

It´s least a question about morals being precious or not (specialy since most of them are unconscious and undefined, so they end up being different for each person) and more about actions and consequences.

People do a half-assed job teaching others about morals. But when you read deep enough into them, their origins and reasons you realize most of them aren´t voices of gods or any kind of mystical thing - they are merely chaoticaly accumulated knowledge about what kind of actions bring profit for one´s life and what kind of actions bring loses.

For instance, the enormous loss of opportunities Ainz is facing right now. All he had with his former conrades, and a lot more, he could get if he was a little more wise and had a little more emotional inteligence. But he will lose it, probably forever.

That said, maybe you should use your own advice ? Don´t like my comments, don´t read them. There´s plenty of comments around more suited to your tastes, i´m sure

He's alone in this world. Hell depending on who shows up they would be right there along with him. Because the real world is a dystopian shithole. But the chances of anyone showing up at all are minimal at best. You're operating by textbook fairy tale standards. THis ain't no fairy tale

[reinastar]

I wonder if Ainz sama was mind control by someone I really what will be reaction of nasarick resident and guardian that will be fun if that really happen muwehehehe ^_^~

[Darkligh]

Originally Posted by reinastar

I wonder if Ainz sama was mind control by someone I really what will be reaction of nasarick resident and guardian that will be fun if that really happen muwehehehe ^_^~

Given his racial specs and his almost borderline paranoia, you'd need a world item to MAYBE pull that off

[reinastar]

But Dark Onii-Sama it will be fun to see if Ainz sama in guise of Momon was mind control by the enemy what do you think everyone reaction in the inside the nazarick will be ~

[SolidN7]

Originally Posted by Desmonddf

It´s least a question about morals being precious or not (specialy since most of them are unconscious and undefined, so they end up being different for each person) and more about actions and consequences.

People do a half-assed job teaching others about morals. But when you read deep enough into them, their origins and reasons you realize most of them aren´t voices of gods or any kind of mystical thing - they are merely chaoticaly accumulated knowledge about what kind of actions bring profit for one´s life and what kind of actions bring loses.

For instance, the enormous loss of opportunities Ainz is facing right now. All he had with his former conrades, and a lot more, he could get if he was a little more wise and had a little more emotional inteligence. But he will lose it, probably forever.

That said, maybe you should use your own advice ? Don´t like my comments, don´t read them. There´s plenty of comments around more suited to your tastes, i´m sure

You forget that Momonga is no longer human, he is an undead, so all the human emotion are gone.


Remenber, in YGGDRASIL Ainz Ooal Gown was a Heteromorphic Guild and they were the bad guys. So is naturally that all the npc of Nazarick are evil.

[watisit]

Originally Posted by SolidN7

You forget that Momonga is no longer human, he is an undead, so all the human emotion are gone.


Remenber, in YGGDRASIL Ainz Ooal Gown was a Heteromorphic Guild and they were the bad guys. So is naturally that all the npc of Nazarick are evil.

I'm sure Sebestian was a good character, and maybe Yuri Alpha.

[Darkligh]

Originally Posted by watisit

I'm sure Sebestian was a good character, and maybe Yuri Alpha.

That's two of how many? Also sebastian a good character that was willing to kill Tsuare if commanded. Again people imposing their expectations of Ainz turning good at some point are a joke

[Breimn]

But Ainz IS good, for an undead leading a bunch of monsters that is.

[Darkligh]

Originally Posted by Breimn

But Ainz IS good, for an undead leading a bunch of monsters that is.

he's only good as long as you don't go against him. If you do you're getting SPLATTED across several paragraphs

[Breimn]

And how is that different from any human ruler?

[Namorax]

Originally Posted by SolidN7

You forget that Momonga is no longer human, he is an undead, so all the human emotion are gone.


Remenber, in YGGDRASIL Ainz Ooal Gown was a Heteromorphic Guild and they were the bad guys. So is naturally that all the npc of Nazarick are evil.

He is still human at his core... kinda. If you follow him over the volumes, you will notice that he begins with two 'personas': the Player (aka the human version of himself) and Ainz (the one he assumes when he tries to act overlordly).
He starts to become more and more like Ainz until it reaches the point where you can't tell where his original human mind ends and where "Ainz" begins. The two are meshing with each other until you get the current Ainz.
Just read the first and the latest volume, then compare the two versions of the MC...


As for his emotions: they are still there. Speaking in terms of "transported into gameworld"-tropes, he is "cursed" with the unintended side-effect of one of his passive skills.
Originally, the skill makes every undead immune against any skills that add mental debuffs, like "Rage", "Confusion", "Sleep", etc... but in his case, the skill simply negates anything that deviates from the "baseline", so if Ainz gets happy/horny/angry/annoyed/sad, the skill notices "Current Ainz=/=Baseline Ainz" and resets him to his baseline-state.
It was mentioned multiple times that he still feels various emotions as long as they are "weak" or not intense enough for the skill to trigger.
EDIT: Wasn't there even an anime (extra) episode where they talked about this? IIRC, Ainz "accidentally" uses an item that is designed to disable the passive skill that makes undead immune against things like confusion/rage/happyness, so when he starts panicking like usual when he interacts with his minions, the skill doesn't kick in and the audience can have a laugh at his expense. If Ainz jsut "doesn't have" any emotions, the item would have no effect because if he doesn't have any emotions, it wouldn't matter if they are supressed or not.


As for AOG = Bad Guys:
Was that really the case? The impression I got was more that they were just another goup of players in an MMO. Like in every MMO that ever existed, if you take a random group of people there will be other groups that hate them and also other groups that will like them.
Or most likely, they won't have any opinion at all about them. Do you hate or like every single person/group of players in the MMOs you play?

If you look at them from the perspective of any classic fantasy story, then they are "evil" but that's only because of their race. In the end, they were still just another goup of people who played an MMO as a guild.

Originally Posted by Breimn

And how is that different from any human ruler?

Does any human ruler use your (still living) body as a breeding ground for spider-monsters?

[Breimn]

Just go look up our world torture methods, if we had magic then humans torture methods would probably be no different from Ainz's.

[Fwarlord]

Originally Posted by Namorax

Does any human ruler use your (still living) body as a breeding ground for spider-monsters?

I remember in Chinese history, there is a couple of evil emperor and empress who are treated as classic evil rulers in their history because of their extremely cruel punishment they inflicted upon those who opposed. The emperor roasted men alive by sticking their body to burning metal pillars while the empress use living women as food for her poisonous snakes. Can't really remember the name though.

[watisit]

Originally Posted by Namorax

Does any human ruler use your (still living) body as a breeding ground for spider-monsters?

There was one form of execution where the prisoner was locked in a barrel in his own filth and then maggots are allowed to feast on his rotting body. Look up "Scaphism"

[Xellos-_^]

Does any human ruler use your (still living) body as a breeding ground for spider-monsters?

Certain tribes in africa would excute people by letting ants eat them. Even without magic humans have come up with some very inventive wa6s to kill people.

Originally Posted by Fwarlord

I remember in Chinese history, there is a couple of evil emperor and empress who are treated as classic evil rulers in their history because of their extremely cruel punishment they inflicted upon those who opposed. The emperor roasted men alive by sticking their body to burning metal pillars while the empress use living women as food for her poisonous snakes. Can't really remember the name though.

fen shen yin yi.
Last emperor of shang and the queen da ji

[SolidN7]

Originally Posted by Namorax

He is still human at his core... kinda. If you follow him over the volumes, you will notice that he begins with two 'personas': the Player (aka the human version of himself) and Ainz (the one he assumes when he tries to act overlordly).
He starts to become more and more like Ainz until it reaches the point where you can't tell where his original human mind ends and where "Ainz" begins. The two are meshing with each other until you get the current Ainz.
Just read the first and the latest volume, then compare the two versions of the MC...


As for his emotions: they are still there. Speaking in terms of "transported into gameworld"-tropes, he is "cursed" with the unintended side-effect of one of his passive skills.
Originally, the skill makes every undead immune against any skills that add mental debuffs, like "Rage", "Confusion", "Sleep", etc... but in his case, the skill simply negates anything that deviates from the "baseline", so if Ainz gets happy/horny/angry/annoyed/sad, the skill notices "Current Ainz=/=Baseline Ainz" and resets him to his baseline-state.
It was mentioned multiple times that he still feels various emotions as long as they are "weak" or not intense enough for the skill to trigger.
EDIT: Wasn't there even an anime (extra) episode where they talked about this? IIRC, Ainz "accidentally" uses an item that is designed to disable the passive skill that makes undead immune against things like confusion/rage/happyness, so when he starts panicking like usual when he interacts with his minions, the skill doesn't kick in and the audience can have a laugh at his expense. If Ainz jsut "doesn't have" any emotions, the item would have no effect because if he doesn't have any emotions, it wouldn't matter if they are supressed or not.


As for AOG = Bad Guys:
Was that really the case? The impression I got was more that they were just another goup of players in an MMO. Like in every MMO that ever existed, if you take a random group of people there will be other groups that hate them and also other groups that will like them.
Or most likely, they won't have any opinion at all about them. Do you hate or like every single person/group of players in the MMOs you play?

If you look at them from the perspective of any classic fantasy story, then they are "evil" but that's only because of their race. In the end, they were still just another goup of people who played an MMO as a guild.



Does any human ruler use your (still living) body as a breeding ground for spider-monsters?

Only Sebas and Yuri Alpha like humans, remember Touch Me always fight with Ulbert because Ulbert wanted the guild to be evil. They were evil in the game, like the villains in DCO or swtor the empire.

[Namorax]

Wasn't that more like roleplaying? I didn't read all the BD-Novels, but we saw only one discussion between Urbet and TouchMe and that wasn't about being good or evil. It was just two people who argued a lot with each other because they were polar opposites and/or didn't like each other for no discernable reason.

Urbet was indicated to be "obsessed with evil", but I can't remember him trying to model the guild into fullgrown evil overlords.
There was only that one thing in the first volume where he suggested that they should engage the invaders with style. And since it wouldn't fit for them to go for the "celestial/good heroes" theme, they went with being themselves: the monsters.
The Guild voted over this issue, so they could have shut him down easily.

And again, was that really the case? It's an MMO.
How can you be evil in an MMP where PvP is possible everywhere?
The players see a goblin, they kill the goblin and don't care if it was a mob they killed or another player. They see themselves as "the good ones", therefore the others must be "the bad ones". They were just labeled "evil" because of their race.
Even if it's just grandpa who plays as an ogre to spend some time with his niece.

Or did the BD-Novels describe AOG doing something atrocious, like torturing another player the same way Ainz tortures adventurers in Nazarick?