2016-05-14, 19:32 | Link #3662 | |
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That being said, Omori could come up with some bs reason to make it happen, but Bell would stop being a unique snowflake if he did. Haruhime was the proposed solution to this problem, but Uchidenokozuchi is more of a trump card than anything, and extending it's effects to the whole party would be akin to putting a Band-Aid on a bullet wound. Hestia Familia is weak and unbalanced, and is in dire need of fresh blood. Ryu comes to mind, but team-ups are more probable for the time being. |
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2016-05-14, 21:17 | Link #3664 | |
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Ichigo is supposed to be oh so special, with his Quincy, Shinigami, Vizard and Fullbringer powers, yet others with a fraction of his potential keep catching up to him...eventually. It would be a pity if the same happened with Bell and Hestia Familia. I don't know about you, but I would much rather prefer a DBZ type of scenario, with side characters progressively being left in the dust by the protagonist, while maintaining some semblance of relevance by fighting appropriately matched opponents, which wouldn't be so far-fetched, since Omori intends to take the series further and further away from the Dungeon, which opens up the possibility for more inter-Familia conflicts rather than monsters of ever increasing difficulty. With the exception of Welf, all of them are female, so they will never be obsolete in a harem series. |
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2016-05-14, 21:21 | Link #3665 | |
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2016-05-15, 01:30 | Link #3667 |
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What I proposed is happening as we speak, in case you haven't noticed. The other members of Hestia Familia certainly aren't catching up to Bell.
While there are many similarities between SAO and Danmachi, there are just as much, if not more, differences between the two, but that is better left for another conversation, so let's try to be more specific here. Even though Kirito had previous knowledge about SAO from being a beta tester, all players had the same starting point at the beginning of the series, so he earned his position as the strongest mostly through hard work, selfishness and a naturally fast reaction time. While dual blades is Hax in SAO's context, it is nothing compared to Bell's exponential growth due to Realis Phrase...and Firebolt...and Argonaut...and Luck...and Hestia's blade...etc. Bell still has a long way to go before he reaches the upper echelon of adventurers, let alone Aiz, so him becoming another Kirito isn't worth considering, especially since the ceiling is much lower in Danmachi. That being said, he should, and will, continue to eclipse his teammates until he becomes the hero of legend, as foretold by Dungeon Oratoria. After all, history tends to repeat itself. |
2016-05-15, 14:23 | Link #3671 | ||
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the only answer i can give is that it's a way to keep the loki squad in the picture and avoid the dungeon in the main book as the author already uses oratoria to cover the deeper levels. but the thing is that hasn't exactly been well received as evidenced by the last 3-4 novels. the synopsis of the next volume seems like it could be heading back to the vibe of the first 5 novels (specifically volumes 1-3), as bell is back to being seen in mixed light by fellow adventurers let's also not forget that this novel is appealing to the MMO niche, and the one thing they hate are overtly OP mc's which go against the grind. that's a bit more relevant than the opinions of bleech/shonen fans.
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2016-05-15, 15:17 | Link #3672 | |
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Hermes, being somewhat of a peacemaker, could act as his lawyer until the evidence against Bell proves to be overwhelming. Having already being found guilty in the court of public opinions, he is left with no choice but to claim his innocence with Hestia's blade in hand. Having alienated Loki Familia, he should expect no help on their part, as well as most other Familia, some of whom have been personally affected by his actions, so the task of training him would fall on Ryu, with Asfi and Aisha's assistance. Being disowned by most of his former friends and allies, for what they see as some form of betrayal, will make Bell doubt himself in the beginning, until he remembers that a fool has to take a stand for what he believes in, no matter the cost. Fairness is to be expected from the Guild, but the severity of Bell's alleged crimes will force them to choose a higher leveled opponent for him. Even then, Bell will mop the floor with him until their fight is interrupted by members of Evilus for whatever reason, which gives Bell the chance to save the day, restoring his tarnished reputation in the process. /fanfiction |
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2016-05-15, 15:35 | Link #3674 |
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Are the side stories, Oratoria, worth reading? I usually stick to the main series because that is where the plot usually advances and ignore gaiden and short stories. I can read Japanese, just finished Hataraku Maousama through volume 15. Just wondering if it is worth the effort since it takes me 2-3 days to read a light novel in Japanese.
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2016-05-15, 16:10 | Link #3675 | |
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IMO if you're going to pick a spinoff to get into for danmachi, go for the ryuu gaiden. not only is it telling it's own story instead of retreading events(which is more up your alley), it has the benefit of a character who is far more capable of being compelling enough to carry a spinoff with Ryuu.
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2016-05-15, 18:52 | Link #3676 | |
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Everything’s pretty standard and literally out of fairy tale up until 9. People have been screaming Bell hasn’t mature at all (time barely has passed in the story though, is it even 3 months yet?) mentally. The whole monster vs. human thing conflict to help him mature in mind and choose what he really wants to do. To be fair, this story has never been about ships though! As for Ais, the last BD volume explains her personality well. She doesn’t want to be hero, which is exactly the opposite of what Bell wants (the last person who was a hero in her life is gone and the wound is still fresh for her). People used to say Ais is edgy like Batman, but Bell’s even more like Batman now (he can take it!). For people who knows what’s going on (like Hermes, who is the most based character by the way), Bell is a true hero. Doesn’t matter if nobody can help him, doesn’t matter if he labeled as a fake, doesn’t matter if he sheds blood. His decision is what makes him a hero, not the fairy tale version decided for him by Zeus. For other protagonists whose solutions lie with overwhelming strength, you aren’t look at a hero, you are looking at a god. Quote:
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It’s the one that Bell wrecked in Volume 3, then reborn and now is a top tier fighter. Xeno is a new race; monsters that carried their yearning and regrets from previous lives, reborn with sentient psyche and is no longer just carry by their primal need to kill and survive. This one in particular is the strongest Xeno in existence and probably will continue to get stronger (unlike humans, they just need to hunt other monsters and eat their magic stones/core and they’ll “level” like that). I wouldn’t be surprised this guy turn “Level 7” eventually. Someone on 2ch said it would be cool if Mino has another round with Ais and wrecks her shit (doesn’t seem like Ais can win 1v1), only this time Bell saves her instead (reversal of book 3), not gonna happen but still fun to think about. Quote:
Oratoria 4 >>> 6 = 5 >>>>> 3 >> 7 = 8 = Oratoria 5 >> 9 = Oratoria 3 > Oratoria 2 > Oratoria 1 >> 4 >> 1 >>>>>>>> 2 Oratoria 4 is the only volume in the series that's split into two chapters only (besides a short prologue and epilogue). The entire second half is an epic raid, if you like DanMachi for fights you shouldn't miss this. Since you can read Japanese, you could check out the Amazon reviews for this volume, no other volume comes close except for Oratoria 5, which I think people rated highly just because it came after volume 9 and Bell appeared in it (though has a ton of background information). You will find a lot of reviews saying lately Oratoria's more interesting than the main. I think Ryuu's Gaiden is actually pretty boring except for Syr bait ... Syr makes everyone more interesting though. |
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2016-05-15, 19:45 | Link #3678 | |
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1 realise phrase doesn't work specifically because of aiz but the depth of his feelings, so in theory if he starts pinning for someone else sincerly, not that i believe it would happen, it would still work. 2 like kuroageha said earlier in regards to v10, using the subjective reviews of amazon japan is hardly a substanstial metric of anything. it's no where near being a big enough sample size to form conclusive perceptions and most of the reviews are no where near well formulated or specific. citing muh action is basically confirming that. 3 syr is a bonus, ryuu is plenty interesting enough for me hell the most interesting thing about syr is her possible connection to freya then yeah dont bother with oratoria then, especially if you're primarily interested in the advancement of the main plot. there are somethings in it in regards to aiz/loki team that will eventually come up later in the main novel but if you dont particularly care about them as a whole then you wont miss much aside from the lower levels/frontlines action. it's only a matter of time before bell can strong enough to go down there and join the fray, but when it happens, it will be volume 5 on steroids!
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2016-05-15, 20:11 | Link #3679 |
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No offense, but have you actually read Oratoria to be able to make these comments? If you say reviews don't amount to anything, then it's best to read those books by yourself. Following this logic, why should Avenger2000 even ask us for opinions? Oratoria is not a rehash of the main novel as you previously claimed, Omori specifically wrote some novels with the intention you read both to get everything, which you also would know if you've read Oratoria. |
2016-05-15, 20:22 | Link #3680 | |
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the first bold is actually true, but the reason why avenger should ask for opinions here as opposed to there is that he'll actually get one from a place dedicated to discussing the work at length and not simply giving a volume 5/5 for simplisitic reasons.
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