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[Academus]

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E7 Hard

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[KanbeKotori]

Originally Posted by Academus

TL;DR…

E7 Hard

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Damn 50k fuel?

I don't have a lot.............gg

At least this isn't bauxite heavy.

What plane did you use for boss support? Kanbaku or Kankou?

[Academus]

Three Ryuusei Kai (>>) and one Reppuu (>>). Not that their proficiency matters.
AFAWK, dive bomber damage isn't buffed in E7, so just use torp bombers.

[KanbeKotori]

Originally Posted by Academus

Three Ryuusei Kai (>>) and one Reppuu (>>). Not that their proficiency matters.
AFAWK, dive bomber damage isn't buffed in E7, so just use torp bombers.

Okay thanks a lot. I've got better kankou than kanbaku.

[ganbaru]

Originally Posted by Academus

TL;DR…

E7 Hard

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I am surprised than it took you so little try and resource; I spent at least double that and I ended up going easy. Congratulation.

Event finished on my part, I have the drop ship than I was looking for. A few more Maru-yu would be nice but it wouldn't be worth it, I got 3 heavy ship ( Iowa, Pola and Mikuma) to level up and I might want to work some destroyers as well.

[Academus]

Thank you. I figured, after 4 failures against boss, that you definitely want as many bombers as possible at the boss node. In hindsight, a 2BBV2CVL fleet might do quite well at boss, provided that the CVLs and the bombers they carry survive till the end.

[Myssa Rei]

Now I'm just depressed at this.



Everything literally went right, down to Central being left alone by Yasen with MOST of my escort intact... Then Tone and Bismarck fail to crit. *facepalm* I swear, the RNG settings for this event are just unfair.

[HashiriyaR32]

More dissidents to the gulag then?

[demino_hellsin]

E6 easy done. Gonna regen up for E7 easy. Hope to be able to farm for Oyashio in the chipping process and have some resources left over for teruzuki hunting.

[Duo Maxwell]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

*snip*

Thank for your help. Although the problem still lies in L node, which I spared one bomber run to thin down the enemy fleet and manage to reach boss node without major dmg, and Suzuya managed to snipe the boss.

Now that it's all over, time to prepare for E-6.

[Yuu Alseif]

I really hate waiting for that LBA thing to cool down when you change them... Uwaa @___@
I'm also really jealous of those who already finished E-7..

[Scarletknive]

Originally Posted by KanbeKotori

Damn 50k fuel?

I don't have a lot.............gg

At least this isn't bauxite heavy.

What plane did you use for boss support? Kanbaku or Kankou?

To be honest, Academus got some good RNGs for this event. Look at other people who did E7H or even E6H, they spent much more resources, and some even failed to clear Last Dance for E6H or E7H. (According to the people who did Hard for the 2 maps.)

Although, I would like to ask Academus about the reason for using STF instead of CTF, as I know LBA + CTF has higher chance of crippling the boss fleet.

[Academus]

Not wanting to go to node L is the main reason. If there exists a reliable way to go from node F to I, I would have given CTF a lot more thought. Having 3 Tsu class along the way certainly doesn't help.

[Klashikari]

The L node isn't the issue, especially if you use the equipment socket and a damecon.

The real problem is when your LBA doesn't do proper damage and you are left alone against 6 princesses with hardly any way to mitigate the incoming damage.

What's actually extremely unfair with that mechanic is that victory and defeat can be decided quite early: should the Kuubo Seiki sink within the first 2 waves, your other LBA have a free pass and do nuclear type of damage.

See this:

This really has nothing to do with Kidou Butai or Suijou. In fact, it is your usual "pick your poison", but completely irrelevant because a RNG roll can ruin your run.
Stupidly lucky example aside, my multiple attempts that were almost enough to kill the boss had common issue: that not more than 2 princesses were sunk by the LBA/Support OR if everyone attacks the boss, leaving the remaining boss escort tearing your fleet apart.

This is why I consider this event as the most badly designed, whereas summer 2015 suffered "only" of a very badly presented gimmick and so forth. This time, success is determined by a mechanic that is even more RNG than usual, and if you aren't lucky enough with that mechanic, usual rules do not apply because the boss was designed to be defeated WITH the LBA in mind.

[Yuu Alseif]

OH MY GOD I JUST CLEARED E-7
I'M SO HAPPY I THINK I'M GOING TO CRY ;______; FUCK THIS MAP. Seriously.
Now I can finally be free. Yes...
... Didn't got Harukaze, but whatever. I'm probably going to farm my third Yuu or Teruzuki.

[KanbeKotori]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

The L node isn't the issue, especially if you use the equipment socket and a damecon.

The real problem is when your LBA doesn't do proper damage and you are left alone against 6 princesses with hardly any way to mitigate the incoming damage.

What's actually extremely unfair with that mechanic is that victory and defeat can be decided quite early: should the Kuubo Seiki sink within the first 2 waves, your other LBA have a free pass and do nuclear type of damage.

See this:

This really has nothing to do with Kidou Butai or Suijou. In fact, it is your usual "pick your poison", but completely irrelevant because a RNG roll can ruin your run.
Stupidly lucky example aside, my multiple attempts that were almost enough to kill the boss had common issue: that not more than 2 princesses were sunk by the LBA/Support OR if everyone attacks the boss, leaving the remaining boss escort tearing your fleet apart.

This is why I consider this event as the most badly designed, whereas summer 2015 suffered "only" of a very badly presented gimmick and so forth. This time, success is determined by a mechanic that is even more RNG than usual, and if you aren't lucky enough with that mechanic, usual rules do not apply because the boss was designed to be defeated WITH the LBA in mind.

So basically it's the Kuubo Seiki that limits the LBA damage? Damn

Another lottery round.......

[Klashikari]

It isn't just her, but she is a huge "dam" to the LBA damage output along with the boss air raid, as the latter will weaken your planes and the former will shoot down your (LBA) bombers, which is responsible for such huge damage variance. The same can be said when a tsu-class triggers its AACI against your CV: depending "what" and "how effective" it shoots down, your initial carrier aerial strike can be effective or turn into a dud.

In general, admirals who demolished the boss hard usually had the same situation: no more than shouha for their base, and kuubo seiki sunk within the first LBA strikes.
Of course, it is theorically possible to still critically damage the boss fleet without such conditions, but as far as I could tell, it is extremely rare.

[KanbeKotori]

Originally Posted by Klashikari

It isn't just her, but she is a huge "dam" to the LBA damage output along with the boss air raid, as the latter will weaken your planes and the former will shoot down your (LBA) bombers, which is responsible for such huge damage variance. The same can be said when a tsu-class triggers its AACI against your CV: depending "what" and "how effective" it shoots down, your initial carrier aerial strike can be effective or turn into a dud.

In general, admirals who demolished the boss hard usually had the same situation: no more than shouha for their base, and kuubo seiki sunk within the first LBA strikes.
Of course, it is theorically possible to still critically damage the boss fleet without such conditions, but as far as I could tell, it is extremely rare.

So, as expected, damage to your base via those raids counts DO nerf the LBA damage. I've been digging for multiple source on how damage to your base via raids affect your LBA damage but could hardly find a thing other than SOMEWHERE which states it doesn't affect.

That being said I'm on final kill now. Fuel dipped below soft cap now. Waiting to go above it before I try. Man, there is more RNG factors in this than E-6..........

[Myssa Rei]

Hmm, I noticed immediately that the first wave of his LBAs seemed to have two sets of bombers (one land-based, the other a torpedo bomber). It makes me wonder if it's possible to just have the bare minimum of interceptors to have AS against Carrier hime in Hard (around 200 apparently) for the first wave. It's easy to get with a Reppu + 224th Hien.

[Klashikari]

I've tried combinations that range from 1 fighters with 3 bombing planes to 3 fighters and 1 bombing plane, and the results are variable, even within the same setup. Again, the biggest problem is the combination of factors:
-The extent of damage from enemy air raid
-The actual amount of planes shot down by the Kuubo Seiki's fighter
-The actual amount of planes shot down by the enemy AA
-The actual targets of the remaining planes
-If the plane that attacked managed to score any damage or missed their target
-if it connected, if the hit actually was a critical or not.

Hell, you can technically deal that much of damage with a single Ryuusei kai, but that's expecting a lot of RNG at work.

Let's illustrate that issue with another example: during one of my harukaze run today, base 2 was crit to taiha while base 3 was unscathed. Guess what? Wave 2 did most of the damage, while not only wave 3 failed, but I got a orange warning "a lot of planes have been shot down!". And both had the exact same setup, although base 3 had a Nonaka instead of a Ryuusei kai. Wave 3 should have got less losses due to passing after wave 2 AA, but nope.

While it is fair to expect increasing performance after each wave, it isn't linear and every aerial strike has their own combat rolls that dictate the result.