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2016-06-22, 05:27 | Link #1422 | |
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As I said, the creators behind The Last Airbender barely wrote any of the episodes (even though people love to credit them with pretty much the whole series) because, as they themselves said, they simply didn't have the time. They were the showrunners, not script writers and they are NOT credited for writing most of the episodes. The same thing applies to other animated series whose production I was interested in (Green Lantern and Young Justice). It was different for Korra, where due to the initial smaller number of episodes and bigger ego they did do all of the writing themselves, at least for season one, and it not only ended up being terrible, it's like it tried to screw up everything the original did well. I dare say it's due to the lack of talent beside them. Far from the first time such a thing has happened coughStarWarsprequelscough. People love to underestimate everyone's contribution besides the big guy's'. |
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2016-06-22, 07:13 | Link #1423 | ||
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Spoiler for Screenwriting for US TV, with some reference to Korra:
And back to Kabaneri: Go back to the post I was responding to: Quote:
I don't see anything in Cicili's post that I can be crediting to the scriptwriter in particular. Do you? If you want to actually talk about what a single writer contributed, then you have to find someone who tells you exactly what they contributed, even for the particular script they are credited with. So if you want to talk about what Okouchi himself did, go and find out what he actually did. If you want to keep blaming him for 'how dumb' the story is, then find something that proves that he is the showrunner. If you can't do that, or can't be bothered, stop blaming Okouchi for the story/character arcs and just leave it as "the writers."
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2016-06-22, 11:55 | Link #1424 | |
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Also, I have read DiMartino's posts. You don't seem to realize though that Korra's writing where the showrunners are also the screenwriters is not the norm for these types of Western animated shows and in fact it's not how its predecessor was made. If certain stories consistently have one writer's dirty fingerprints all over them, it's very possible that their suggestions got past the director. As I said, these things usually aren't as simple as "showrunner provides 100% of ideas, screenwriters and everyone else only translates them to script". Do not underestimate the input of everyone besides the guys in charge. Expanding ideas into a script is not like translating something from one language to another. If you give two writers, one bad and another good, the same guidelines, you can get a pretty good script from one of them and a really forced and unconvincing script from the other. Add to that a non-critical director and you're sure to have a bad result. The mentioned writer's anime all have the same stench around them, I find it hard to believe they had nothing to do with it. I will agree however that people often mistakenly think that the writers control the story, which isn't really the case. Their job isn't necessarily to think of a story, it's to make a script for a story. I think the confusion comes from the movies where the writer writes a screenplay and the director makes a movie based on it, but this isn't exactly how it goes for series. |
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2016-06-22, 16:21 | Link #1425 | ||
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The same writers are capable of producing both better and worse scripts under different working conditions and also depending on the nature of each project. If you're asked to create something with a different ultimate goal, the results won't always be the same. That is why I would have to agree with karice67. Unless we know which good or bad ideas came from a given person, such as the writer, the director, other staff writers or anyone else, there's not much of a point. Even saying "I could write something better" is misleading, because you're not part of that production environment and have the luxury of a much easier and independent creative process. |
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2016-06-22, 17:57 | Link #1426 | |
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And the rest of your post betrays your misunderstandings of what screenwriting actually involves, and of the writing process from concepts (breaking the story) through to the final draft scripts of a particular episode and the final product that appears on screen. Both in the US and in the Japanese anime industry. Hence, I don't believe you've read DiMartino's posts. If you say you have, then you seriously need to read them again. Neither of these is relevant here in this thread, though, so I'm dropping this. I'd return to what I was saying about Kabaneri, but it's also clear that you haven't actually been following the point I was trying to make, as Xander's post points out. But whatever.
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2016-06-23, 14:33 | Link #1428 |
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Was Kabaneri intended to be a comedy? because this episode I lauged so hard.
Well, the episode itself was a huge load of asspulls, powerups, Mumei being useless again, Biba being the edgelord master with that pretentious plan and Ikoma screaming countless times while turn into Guts. I don't know what the f**k is happening with the series, how something with a huge amount of potential can go straight into the GC bullshit and end on being just a big amount of nice music and animation. I'm not surprised by the fact that Kabaneri is going down in the rankings at high speed. Now time to wait for the ones who still defend this even when the writting of the story is literally garbage at this point. |
2016-06-23, 16:43 | Link #1434 |
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Biba's a lost cause as a character and a villain. Arguably the same goes for the shogun too. But I think the episode was about as decent as you could expect at this point. There was a power-up, yes, but it's not even much of an "asspull" given what we literally saw just two weeks ago. In other words, the show isn't really doing anything surprising. It's definitely an improvement to see Ikoma realize (with Kurusu's help) what needs to be done and get some of that confidence back. They also pretty much telegraphed that at least Mumei will most likely be saved, one way or another.
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2016-06-23, 18:27 | Link #1439 | |
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"the useless MCs of the trainwreck"
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2016-06-23, 18:41 | Link #1440 |
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The last bastion of Japan and of what little remains of humanity is being raided by a crazy madman and his equally deranged followers, Mumei is being turned into Nue (a fact that the captive scientist points at as being very imminent), but Ikoma had something very important he needed to do before rushing there and save the day.
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Anyway did I miss something? Did they explain what the Shogun feared so much in Biba?
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