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I never said ki had to do with it: im neutral about the whole ki thing, i dont believe it, but its not like im gonna say it doesnt exist. The things that are supposed to be humanely impossible has been accomplished by ppl who CLAIM to have used ki to accomplish it. Quote:
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2004-01-03, 20:08
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YUM!! YUM!!
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: My house
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[QUOTE=Zoro]lol, i pity you more than uve ever pitied anyone else. Reading pointless things?? LOL, there is no pointless things. Reading in itself is good.... but seeing u dont read at all, i doubt you'll understand that.QUOTE]
First of all...dont assume things about me. Second...you gotta calm down. Thats a tip in fighting to, you gotta stay calm, phisical and verbal. Third..how old are you anyway? you seem pretty young to blow ur cap lyke that. once again, dont assume things about me, if you dont even know me and know what i do...just be quiet about those things. |
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2004-01-03, 21:32
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The Man, The Legend......
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Redmond, WA
Age: 46
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Personal I'm undecided on all the ki stuf. I used to think it was just fictional, but I have a friend that's very serious about Kung-Fu and has demonstrated very effectivly what he claims is the use of ki, now I'm unsure. Either way I would never laugh at him for his beliefs.
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2004-01-03, 21:54
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Zoro
Join Date: Nov 2003
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aznplayboi... u have no idea of tone in writing. I doubt im younger than you, and if i am, im gonna assume ure just immature. i also said i dont believe in this ki stuff, but i dont doubt its existence. Im just neutral.... if that makes sense. Ive seen things that cant really be explained by science, so i dont know if its ki or not. My personal stand on it is that watever it is, its defientaly from will power and your mind. EDIT: btw aznplayboi, i just read another thread and i happen to see ur posts. I read that u are 12 yrs old.... let see 12 yrs old....... wow, i must be really young eh? If i knew u were at such an ignorant and arrogant age (most 12 yr olds are... i was) i shouldve said things a bit nicer. (lol) Dont talk about age when ur only 12, 90% of the ppl on this forum is at least 2 yrs older than u. |
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2004-01-04, 00:53
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YUM!! YUM!!
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: My house
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... -.-'...hey...i really dont give a f*ck about my age. Just because i called you young, doesn't mean i have to be older than you. I knew someone was gonna say something and agree with you. honestly, In MAI opinion, if you think im immature by talking lyke that...ur a pussy. Dont judge me by my age...lots of ppl are killing my rep points just because im 12 and i talk lyke how i talk.
btw...i really dont care if ppl call me ignorant and a jackass. I get enough of that....u nerd. One more time to everyone, don't judge me by my age....PLZ! |
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2004-01-04, 01:08
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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Let see now.... im a pussy for thinking u are immature. That doesnt fit in anyway. If you go around bashing ppl's opinion and beliefs... especially things like ki, God, politics, etc etc, im gonna say ure a plain ignorant, immature jackass. Unless ur 4, u cant be too immature to go around disrespecting other's ideas and beliefs. Therefore, even for ur age, u are immature. Im not judgeing u by ur age really. Its psychologicaly natrual that 12~13 yr olds act a bit more ignorant and bitchy. but what im judging u by is wat u posted. At 12 i was considered "smart" a bit well informed... but i was still ignorant and a jackass. I thought my opinions were higher than other's. Most ppl didnt think so cuz i kept it to myself. If you just shuted up and not posted those disrespectful things, i wouldnt think of u as an asshole. Id consider u more of a "good kid" nerd - A person who is single-minded or accomplished in scientific or technical pursuits but is felt to be socially inept. frankly id rather be a nerd than an asshole. at least im smart.... and assholes are just as inept, if not more socially. BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE! doesnt tai-chi train under some sort of ki/chi training? |
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2004-01-04, 01:49
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日本語を食べません！
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: San Francisco
Age: 41
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hm...12 years old...6th grade (US), right? That's about the age where you piss off eighth graders and get severely beaten. No, age doesn't really matter at all. You can be 35 and still have to deal with other 35 year old a*sholes. You can also be 12 and form well-thought out opinions (though that really doesn't happen too often). Zoro, how old are you? I'm guessing 14-16 years old range. That's the impression I'm getting from your posts. Doesn't really mean anything good or bad. Just wondering...how DOES one confirm who was the first to use martial arts in war? ANY sort of discipline can be considered, to some extent, a martial art - stand your ground, formations involving different weapon troops, cavalry w/spears. It is possible the Koreans were first to record the usage of martial arts, but other cultures had used it before and saw no need to put it down in writing...don't know if that made any sense. At the level of tai chi I'm at, I couldn't really say anything about qi/chi. I should hopefully be able to say something about it in a few months. What I CAN say is that it's a low-impact martial art, which makes it ideal for older people. I haven't taken any other martial arts yet but I believe it makes a good entry MA - works on flexibility, holding poses (muscle training), balance (think slower=easier? not really) and probably some other benefits I'll figure out later. |
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2004-01-04, 05:24
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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well i explained in the other thread about ki my opinion to how some of (not all) phenomenon are worked out.
in summary its good for ur health, good in martial arts? probably yes if u have good breathing, good circulation and good health it sure would help u in martial arts. about the real origin of martial arts as i said before yes almost all asian martial arts (which exist today) trace back to budhidharma (spelling???) but probably other forms of martial arts has existed before that but were never written in manuals i mean martial arts were and still used mainly for combat and warfare. wars existed since ancient times.
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2004-01-04, 13:51
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I highly doubt that there is a traceable 'origin' of martial arts, worldwide OR in a specified region. We can attempt to trace the evolution as far back as history records, but unarmed combat has existed since before our species came into being. Certainly, the very first human beings made some effort to find better ways to use their natural weapons. Humans have continued this study throughout their existence.
The art practiced by the Bodhi Darma itself was surely an advancement of earlier, perhaps un-named systems of fighting. And even that cannot be definitively said to be the first unarmed combat system in Asia, it is merely one of many theories surrounding martial arts origins. There are many conflicting histories on this point, and we will probably never be able to determine the truth behind them. Even if we do resolve these conflicts and determine the earliest recorded martial art in Asia, there is nothing to say that that art arose from nothing. The only reason so many are intent on finding an 'origin' of martial arts is that so many arts from so many regions share similar characteristics, that it is easy to assume that they must share a common lineage. In fact, the truth is more likely that there are only so many ways to efficiently utilize the human body, and thus martial arts, regardless of their origins, will have to share common techniques. |
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2004-01-04, 19:36
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Zoro
Join Date: Nov 2003
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im guessin the historians decided on the frst martial arts with discipline. Where there is typically a master who trains his students mentally and physically. Disciplined MA... if that makes sense.
btw raikage, im 16... turning 17 this yr. 11th grade US. lol, almost at the top of the food chain. |
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2004-01-04, 21:21
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YUM!! YUM!!
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: My house
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damn you just keep on going and going dont you....you know why i said srry? so i could stop the fight. But u really are immature if you wanna keep on going lyke that. Why are you continuing to call me a ignorant jackass? and im the one usually getting beat up? wrong..its usually the oppisate. Im judging ppl by there age? only you...READ Things. Also i really dont care if i say god and ki is bullshit...whaddya gonna do..jump out of my screen and pound me? i dont think so. hehe btw...ur the one being an ignorant jackass....i said srry and if you keep on going lyke that..ur also being immature...also :fingers: u nerd |
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2004-01-04, 21:38
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Join Date: May 2003
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Hey it ends now. If I see any flame from anyone else in this thread after my post. It will be closed. And don't even try and tempt me with a joke one, because I'm being serious. I overlooked this thread because it was a popular one also in the old forum, so don't make me close it for a pitiful excuse like a flame war.
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2004-01-04, 22:11
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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btw: u didnt say sorry, u were just afraid of being banned. Dranz: Above was not a flame. on topic now: wat is the best MA for the modern military? |
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2004-01-04, 22:42
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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the most suitable modern martial arts for military would have to be Capoeira..
why? let's say there's a scenario where the all the team members have 'surrendered' generally arresting someone is pretty much hand cuffing their hands.. however in the case where the soliders knows proficient Capoeira, he can easily escape using Capoeira once the enemy's guard is down.. (Capoeira is based on strong leg attacks and looks like break dancing) They'll literally kick ass to victory 
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2004-01-04, 23:39
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2004-01-05, 00:05
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ehh, i know somebody unexperienced in MA like me shouldn't be here ^^;, but i've been following this thread for awhile. you guys got me hooked =P. and i read an article on capoiera in a . . . fashion magazine, of all places (sweat). i didn't realize it was a "martial art" at first -- i thought "pretty dancing".
i agree with dwaryn though  . don't need to pick fights . . . over silly things . . zoro, i'd just leave him alone =P. people like that just want the attention, really.actually, zoro's the one that got me interested in haidong gumdo ^^; (is it true that there's an ancient korean sword named haidonggum? i'm of chinese descent, so i have no clue about korean culture, or fighting techniques really) . . . too bad there's no place near here i could take (i was so obsessed for awhile with swordsmanship. even fencing o.o;. but that was more of a "sport", like kendo). my brother used to take the american martial arts X_X, it was really a waste of money. he never learned anything that stuck. i mean, i know: i try to punch him, he can't avoid. i sit on him, he can't avoid. -_- he was near black belt too -- spent thousands of dollars, literally. it's hard to find a genuine place to learn MA ^^;, and too many (what is it? dojangs?) passing as the real thing. and i agree with you guys that there is no best martial art *nods*. (there was a thread about that in a discussion of the Last Samurai (it saddens me . . that guns took down the swords so easily. i mean, you can spend all your life learning swordsmanship XD, and lose to a bullet). it was about whether kung fu, karate, or whatever was better =/). o.o. i'm also a big fan of jackie chan. the man is funny ^^. he makes cracks about the size of his own nose. i don't know how many girls hang around this thread . . . . . . BUT I THINK MORE SHOULD!!!!! ><, MA is not just for you know, you tough guys here ;D. ps. on the topic of this chi or qi or "chakra" . . O.O. there's no question that humans can do some extraordinary things "above their ability", but whether it's because of "channeling chi/energy", or mind power, i don't know either. or if it's an outside force acting upon your will. (i could tell you of a really strange incident involving a cult rescuing their fellow member by lifting a car through this "qi". the member is now not part of it . . he's a christian now). though i'm not saying that the "power" came from the devil or whatnot . . it does kind of make you think of people's limits. |
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2004-01-05, 01:57
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Join Date: Nov 2003
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i have never heard of this haedonggum before tho. Haedong means East something.... i believe it means something like far east. gum is just sword. The swords name would be Eastern Sword.... i dont think that sounds right for a sword name? The style haedong gumdo is translated as "eastern swordsmanship" Wat do u mean by american arts?? I know i took TKD from a crappy teacher... in korea, which is odd. (actually... since it was Seoul it doesnt surprise me) TMA is not so great when there is bunch of these mass produced dojangs/dojos. Ovbiously guns mow down swords. Thats why we use it right? There was those chinese rebels during British imperialism. The Boxers, they believed that they can dodge bullets. Sadly the british army destroyed them. lol, if it was anime the swordsmen would block the bullets with their swords. er, call me stupid, but are you a grl? My cousin took tai-chi for a while, she didnt like it.... cuz it was too "soft" she wants to take kick boxing. That incident couldve been adrenaline. When someone u love is in trouble, adrenaline will pump in you like crazy. It happens most to mothers when their kid is about to die. |
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2004-01-05, 02:11
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Zoro I applaud you for being mature for your age. I can only wish I was as mature as you when I was 16. I agree that you should not disrespect other people's beliefs for the fact that you do not believe in what they do. We are living in a diverse world with many people having different beliefs and customs. Not having respect for other because of someone's narrow mindedness and ignorance well not get you very far in life.
Now back on topic. Even though I have never taken a MA I have always been deeply fascinated with it. I remember as a kid watching and rewatching Bruce Lee movies. The things that this guy did is amazing. Now Bruce Lee was a well educated man and was very philosphical. Yet he believed of the idea of Ki or chi for the prodigious feints that he accomplished, such as his one inch punch. So yes I do believe that we do have some inner power that may call forth to help achieve such events. However, it has not yet been proven and may forever may remain as a mystery. |
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