Madan no Ou to Vanadis [Light Novel]

[KnightShade]

Originally Posted by holybell84

Spoiler for Spoiler:

Titta got bedded in Chap 2. Nothing exciting, just one part Tigre asking her what kinda reward she desires, she request for permission to visit his room.
Scene changed to Regin and the Prime minister talking then scene changed again to them sleeping naked on bed, with Titta hugging his arm.


And Tir Na Fal proceeds to possess Titta.

Originally Posted by Imagine Breaker

Too early to say that sir.

way too early a stance, one that completly disregards the shipping of lim and regin being inevitable due to plot. the only ones who who are up in the air at this point are tina and fine

[Imagine Breaker]

Originally Posted by kidstandout

way too early a stance, one that completly disregards the shipping of lim and regin being inevitable due to plot. the only ones who who are up in the air at this point are tina and fine

Since when did I say that Lim and Regin aren't? What I'm saying is that saying that [all other girls aside from Ellen and Titta being losers in the Tigre Cup (which by definition includes Lim and Regin)] is too early.

[Ramero]

I hope at the end of Arc Three Tigre will be risen as a King of Brune. Tallard and Kureys will surely immediately lauded Tigre as one of their worthy rivals but for Tallard he wishes to avoid fighting him for the time being despite Brune's recovery was crippled due to lack of cooperation from their own people knowing Tigre was one of the most threatful opponent if Tallard makes Tigre his opponent.

Tigre and Vanadis could set a plan to attack Muozinel and end the slavery system once and for all either through killing Kureys in combat or forcing him to surrender since Muozinel has attacked Brune twice and Tigre have to retaliate in order to stop the invasion attempt once and for all. That also goes to Sachstein which they already attempted multiple attack on Brune.

[WingsoftheDragonix]

Good for Titta.

Ramero@ I think that there is a good chance that at the end of arc three for this to happen. Although with how things are going there is a chance that he will end to be the King of both kingdoms after they become one at the end of this current mess.

[Marx-93]

Frankly, if the author even thought he could finish in 3 volumes, then a conquest of Muozinel is most definitely not in the cards.

It's the most powerful country, and I definitely think it will play a part in the finale (one of my ideas is that at the end of a possible Zhcted civil war Muozinel will ally with Asvarre, who should be finishing Sachstein, in order to get both Brune and Zhcted), but it's also the one we know the least, and a proper invasion would need both a lot of pages and war preparations. Maybe in the epilogue, describing in 3 or 4 lines how Tigre managed to defeat them ad force them to renounce to slavery, or something like that.

And I think we know far too little on Zhcted's succession to theorize about it. Frankly, Eugene seemed like he could be a good king and Ellen actually likes him. Something more than a very tenuous connection to an old legend (of which we know close to nothing) will be needed to make Tigre king. If the Vanadis actually had a concrete plan to put someone on the throne instead of vague ideas, then they would have let Ilda kill Eugene; one less successor (Eugene) and one (Ilda) with a lot less legitimacy. My money is on the word war above making Eugene resign as king unsuited to war (as Ellen said in V9), and leave the leadership to his most supported (by all the Vanadis and Brune) and best allied general, Tigre.

[holybell84]

oops nvm. Duplicated post

[DragonOsman]

Originally Posted by holybell84

oops nvm. Duplicated post

What duplicated post? There's nothing after the previous post there.

Originally Posted by Marx-93

Frankly, if the author even thought he could finish in 3 volumes, then a conquest of Muozinel is most definitely not in the cards.

It's the most powerful country, and I definitely think it will play a part in the finale (one of my ideas is that at the end of a possible Zhcted civil war Muozinel will ally with Asvarre, who should be finishing Sachstein, in order to get both Brune and Zhcted), but it's also the one we know the least, and a proper invasion would need both a lot of pages and war preparations. Maybe in the epilogue, describing in 3 or 4 lines how Tigre managed to defeat them ad force them to renounce to slavery, or something like that.

And I think we know far too little on Zhcted's succession to theorize about it. Frankly, Eugene seemed like he could be a good king and Ellen actually likes him. Something more than a very tenuous connection to an old legend (of which we know close to nothing) will be needed to make Tigre king. If the Vanadis actually had a concrete plan to put someone on the throne instead of vague ideas, then they would have let Ilda kill Eugene; one less successor (Eugene) and one (Ilda) with a lot less legitimacy. My money is on the word war above making Eugene resign as king unsuited to war (as Ellen said in V9), and leave the leadership to his most supported (by all the Vanadis and Brune) and best allied general, Tigre.

He can't do anything even close to proper closure and an ending if he really wants to end it in the next 2 or 3 Volumes. There's too much stuff to do.

And as for the legend of the King of the Magic Bullet, as Sofy's already doing research on it, anyway, we'll hopefully find out more about it soon. The real chore should be proving that the King of the Magic Bullet, in this case Tigre, is the true heir to the Zhcted throne. But if anything, right now, that's the one thing we know for sure. Aside from the fact that the numbers 7 and 3 are important to the legend.

So the author should extend the series. And he hopefully will.

@medassin: Tir na Fal possessed Titta after the deed was done already. That's what it seems like from reading it. After all, the words "And Tir Na Fal proceeds to possess Titta." are after it's mentioned that Tigre and Titta did "it". Of course Tir na Fal possessed after the deed was already done, no?

[Ramero]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

What duplicated post? There's nothing after the previous post there.



He can't do anything even close to proper closure and an ending if he really wants to end it in the next 2 or 3 Volumes. There's too much stuff to do.

And as for the legend of the King of the Magic Bullet, as Sofy's already doing research on it, anyway, we'll hopefully find out more about it soon. The real chore should be proving that the King of the Magic Bullet, in this case Tigre, is the true heir to the Zhcted throne. But if anything, right now, that's the one thing we know for sure. Aside from the fact that the numbers 7 and 3 are important to the legend.

So the author should extend the series. And he hopefully will.

@medassin: Tir na Fal possessed Titta after the deed was done already. That's what it seems like from reading it. After all, the words "And Tir Na Fal proceeds to possess Titta." are after it's mentioned that Tigre and Titta did "it". Of course Tir na Fal possessed after the deed was already done, no?

Tallard will not ally himself with Kureys since the timeline will be given around ten years between Asvarre and Sachstein war. If that really happens then he could really value Tigre as a real threat in the next ten years which he need to finish Tigre off as a King of Asvarre (Assuming Guinevere is already married to Tallard) but this situation places Tigre and Vanadises on disadvantages since Tallard and Kureys coalition can attack Brune and Zhcted from three sides (North, West and South).

[KnightShade]

Originally Posted by Imagine Breaker

Since when did I say that Lim and Regin aren't? What I'm saying is that saying that [all other girls aside from Ellen and Titta being losers in the Tigre Cup (which by definition includes Lim and Regin)] is too early.

um... i was agreeing with you. this was meant for the guy you quoted.

Originally Posted by Marx-93

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And I think we know far too little on Zhcted's succession to theorize about it. Frankly, Eugene seemed like he could be a good king and Ellen actually likes him. Something more than a very tenuous connection to an old legend (of which we know close to nothing) will be needed to make Tigre king. If the Vanadis actually had a concrete plan to put someone on the throne instead of vague ideas, then they would have let Ilda kill Eugene; one less successor (Eugene) and one (Ilda) with a lot less legitimacy. My money is on the word war above making Eugene resign as king unsuited to war (as Ellen said in V9), and leave the leadership to his most supported (by all the Vanadis and Brune) and best allied general, Tigre.

or valentina get's eugene killed, as him being in her crosshairs was hinted at in the sun festival.

[DragonOsman]

Originally Posted by Ramero

Tallard will not ally himself with Kureys since the timeline will be given around ten years between Asvarre and Sachstein war. If that really happens then he could really value Tigre as a real threat in the next ten years which he need to finish Tigre off as a King of Asvarre (Assuming Guinevere is already married to Tallard) but this situation places Tigre and Vanadises on disadvantages since Tallard and Kureys coalition can attack Brune and Zhcted from three sides (North, West and South).

I'm not talking about Tallard and Kureys becoming allies at all. Where did you get that from my post?

Tallard wants to avoid having to fight Tigre. If he only meant for until he becomes King of Asvarre, then he'll start attacking Tigre's forces after becoming King. But if Tigre's also already a king by then, he'll be able to fight against him on equal ground (though he'll also the Vanadis on his side - all seven). But can that really all happen in ten years' time?

@Kidstandout: Agreed. That could help Tigre further in becoming Zhcted's King.

[holybell84]

oops, guessed I got over zealous and overdid it. here's the much shorter gist of chap 2:

Spoiler for spoiler:

TNF is representation of trinity for 3 goddesses, where TNF is the collective name for all 3 and to represent the 3 as one.
She also mentioned the demons' goal was to change the world to suit them and that numerous attempts have already been made, though all were stopped by humanity.
According to her, all the gods except her had already left for somewhere far, and maybe might come back on a whim.

[Chingaruna517]

Hah....kinda refreshing after dealing the real life problem. Where are we? Oh yes, the spoiler......oh wait, they are not here anymore. Regardless, thanks .

Spoiler for Chapter 2's Reactions:

• So, Tigre's mother has a name? Anyways, good to see her background finally on the surfaced before her marriage with Urs. Tragically, neither she nor Urs able to see her son's journey as a underrated yet influential figure in Brune.
• Titta and Tigre finally......I don't know if I can able to say it right.
• Revelation from the Goddess of Death about she as the combination of the three goddesses. Wonder who?
• Also, the demon's motive is finally revealed to change the world into their taste only to be stopped by humanity? Hmm....that simply explains to why Drekavac and other wouldn't mind dying for their dreams? And how is that have to do with the Goddess of Death herself?
• Moving on, more from Tir Na Fal as she explains that of all the deities that left the world, only she stays behind and they only ascend to the world whenever they change their mind? Somewhat explains her unpopularity among the ten deities considered she as a rival to the Sun God (dunno what name he is). That actually come to question really, why people worship them when they were not around?

[holybell84]

Originally Posted by Chingaruna517

Hah....kinda refreshing after dealing the real life problem. Where are we? Oh yes, the spoiler......oh wait, they are not here anymore. Regardless, thanks .

Spoiler for Chapter 2's Reactions:

• So, Tigre's mother has a name? Anyways, good to see her background finally on the surfaced before her marriage with Urs. Tragically, neither she nor Urs able to see her son's journey as a underrated yet influential figure in Brune.
• Titta and Tigre finally......I don't know if I can able to say it right.
• Revelation from the Goddess of Death about she as the combination of the three goddesses. Wonder who?
• Also, the demon's motive is finally revealed to change the world into their taste only to be stopped by humanity? Hmm....that simply explains to why Drekavac and other wouldn't mind dying for their dreams? And how is that have to do with the Goddess of Death herself?
• Moving on, more from Tir Na Fal as she explains that of all the deities that left the world, only she stays behind and they only ascend to the world whenever they change their mind? Somewhat explains her unpopularity among the ten deities considered she as a rival to the Sun God (dunno what name he is). That actually come to question really, why people worship them when they were not around?

Spoiler for Spoiler:

As to what the demons are planning, it wasn't mentioned as Drekavac and Vod both died in Chap 3; Drekavac in battle against Tigre and 3 Vanadis and Vod was absorbed by Ganelon. Ganelon noted there are some disparity in the way that Drekavac was working and tried to get information out of Vod b4 killing him.

Ganelon was also aiming to summon TNF, but to absorb her and her powers.

TNF mentioned all the gods do not exist for humanity, it's just that they chose to assist on a whim, no real reason. TNF is probably unpopular since she is associated with negative stuff like Night, Darkness and Death.

Spoiler for Last point stuff:

They continue worship bcos they do not know they have left/ still exists and still believe in them. In most religons where there are no concrete proof that some deities exists (Son Goku, Jigong), ppl still worship them anyway.

[Ramero]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

I'm not talking about Tallard and Kureys becoming allies at all. Where did you get that from my post?

Tallard wants to avoid having to fight Tigre. If he only meant for until he becomes King of Asvarre, then he'll start attacking Tigre's forces after becoming King. But if Tigre's also already a king by then, he'll be able to fight against him on equal ground (though he'll also the Vanadis on his side - all seven). But can that really all happen in ten years' time?

@Kidstandout: Agreed. That could help Tigre further in becoming Zhcted's King.

Sorry, i should quoted Marx-93 post about it

But seeing ten years between Sachstein invasion to Brune to that future ten years, Tallard will take no risks on fighting Brune head-on even he already become King. He knew he need more formidable officers to deal with Tigre so until he got sufficient commanders or formidable commander he will not taking any chances for fighting Tigre again since he knew that he got Vanadis as his allies, most threatful that Tallard have to deal with seven Battle Commanders and one Supreme Commander at the same time (Tigre and Seven Vanadis). One of the best odds is he will not execute Leonhardt if he was captured by Tallard during Sachstein-Asvarre Campaign because Leonhardt was the ace of the Cavalry unit.

@Chingaruna:
Well, she is after all every part or any inch of family from Perkunas (God of Sun) such as Wife, Elder or Younger Sister and even Daughter or Mother however seeing her as Goddess of Death itself makes me think that the reason the priests and shrine maidens even people who didn't want to worship her is because of her attributes.

Judging by the statements about demons, i start to think that Ganelon want more power but this time he really thirsts for power. Much more like Fire Emblem: Sacred Stone where the vassal need to be sacrificed (Which in Sacred Stone is Lyon) in order to awaken the demonic form same like at Yggdra Union where Gulcasa sacrificed himself in order to awaken Demon known as Brongaa if Yggdra was unable to stop him in time.

So i can guess Koschei will be awaken once got insufficient power by sacrificing Ganelon himself to awaken Koschei's true form.

[Marx-93]

10 years of war are a very long time. In it there could be 3 or 4 year long truces. Even extremely long medieval wars like the Hundred Years War were more of periods of intermittent fighting with long truces in the middle.

And Tallard refused to fight Tigre because 3 reasons: the Brune army behind him, the Zhcted army waiting in Zhcted and that his (Tallard) only ally had been severely weakened after a series of defeats. The first now is decimated with most of the country devastated, the second will be soon embroiled in a civil war that has already divided the vanadis and the third has been substituted by the most powerful force in the continent. An alliance of Tallard with Kureys in order to take out a powerful rival (Tigre and Zhcted) would make sense, and he's the kind of guy to take this kind of gambles. Now, I don't think it will be immediate, but I also don't think the Zhcted civil war will start so quickly or end so soon, so he and Kureys have enough time to settle their issues.

There's also the fact that unless something like that happens, I don't think there is another reason why a fight of Tallard vs Tigre could happen.

Spoiler for Tir na Fa:

Her being a fusion of the three goddesses (Elis, Mosha and Iarilo I suppose?) actually makes the mural at the Sacred caverns make a lot more sense. Tir na Fa, as the three goddesses, tamed the three-headed dragon with the power to harm the gods. The three-headed dragon might also be then the fusion of another three individuals. Maybe the representation of the power of Zirnitra (a black dragon with a single head)+the black bow+a third power?

[Chingaruna517]

Originally Posted by holybell84

Spoiler for Spoiler:

As to what the demons are planning, it wasn't mentioned as Drekavac and Vod both died in Chap 3; Drekavac in battle against Tigre and 3 Vanadis and Vod was absorbed by Ganelon. Ganelon noted there are some disparity in the way that Drekavac was working and tried to get information out of Vod b4 killing him.

Ganelon was also aiming to summon TNF, but to absorb her and her powers.

TNF mentioned all the gods do not exist for humanity, it's just that they chose to assist on a whim, no real reason. TNF is probably unpopular since she is associated with negative stuff like Night, Darkness and Death.

Spoiler for Response to the Demons's death, Ganelon's power hungry appetite and Tir Na Fal:

• If that is true, then I guess that this could be their last chance to open the demon world portal, somewhat. Considered Drekavac and Vodyanoy are seemly the "last" demon. That's begs to question, is Drekavac died from Tigre's Charged Arrow? Or does he has a last word to Tigre about an unknown truth before meeting his demise?
• So, the Frog Demon is eventually being consumed by Ganelon, so much for a short-lived collaboration between both himself and Drekavac, and it surely tells us readers that teamwork ain't Ganelon's attribute.
• And now Ganelon attempt to absorb Tir Na Fal's power next? That's too crazy and reckless even for him. I mean, a demon try to swallow the god? OK, his absorption onto Baba Yaga and Vodyanoy are logical because of their fatal injuries and near death, but challenging a god in order to obtain her power is outright suicidal, even if he is able to find the Goddess of Death's weak-point.

[holybell84]

Originally Posted by Marx-93

10 years of war are a very long time. In it there could be 3 or 4 year long truces. Even extremely long medieval wars like the Hundred Years War were more of periods of intermittent fighting with long truces in the middle.

And Tallard refused to fight Tigre because 3 reasons: the Brune army behind him, the Zhcted army waiting in Zhcted and that his (Tallard) only ally had been severely weakened after a series of defeats. The first now is decimated with most of the country devastated, the second will be soon embroiled in a civil war that has already divided the vanadis and the third has been substituted by the most powerful force in the continent. An alliance of Tallard with Kureys in order to take out a powerful rival (Tigre and Zhcted) would make sense, and he's the kind of guy to take this kind of gambles. Now, I don't think it will be immediate, but I also don't think the Zhcted civil war will start so quickly or end so soon, so he and Kureys have enough time to settle their issues.

There's also the fact that unless something like that happens, I don't think there is another reason why a fight of Tallard vs Tigre could happen.

Spoiler for Tir na Fa:

Her being a fusion of the three goddesses (Elis, Mosha and Iarilo I suppose?) actually makes the mural at the Sacred caverns make a lot more sense. Tir na Fa, as the three goddesses, tamed the three-headed dragon with the power to harm the gods. The three-headed dragon might also be then the fusion of another three individuals. Maybe the representation of the power of Zirnitra (a black dragon with a single head)+the black bow+a third power?

Spoiler for TNF:

Nope dun think is those 3. Tigre first notice that there are 3 different statues of TNF side by side while the others have their own with familiar imagery. The shrine head mention that TNF's name alone is already quite different from the rest. The 3 goddesses are from an era before Brune came to and are known as the Goddesses of the 3 Pillars

Originally Posted by Chingaruna517

Spoiler for Response to the Demons's death, Ganelon's power hungry appetite and Tir Na Fal:

• If that is true, then I guess that this could be their last chance to open the demon world portal, somewhat. Considered Drekavac and Vodyanoy are seemly the "last" demon. That's begs to question, is Drekavac died from Tigre's Charged Arrow? Or does he has a last word to Tigre about an unknown truth before meeting his demise?
• So, the Frog Demon is eventually being consumed by Ganelon, so much for a short-lived collaboration between both himself and Drekavac, and it surely tells us readers that teamwork ain't Ganelon's attribute.
• And now Ganelon attempt to absorb Tir Na Fal's power next? That's too crazy and reckless even for him. I mean, a demon try to swallow the god? OK, his absorption onto Baba Yaga and Vodyanoy are logical because of their fatal injuries and near death, but challenging a god in order to obtain her power is outright suicidal, even if he is able to find the Goddess of Death's weak-point.

Spoiler for Spoiler:

Fatal blow via charged shot from Tigre and absorbed wind element. Tigre did try to ask where's his comrades are and whether it is true that their aim is to remake the world. Before anything useful can be obtained, he succumbed to his injuries and died.

[DragonOsman]

@Ramero: Tir Na Fal isn't Perkunas' (thanks for reminding me of his name) mother or daughter. She's his sister, wife and worst enemy. That's what the novels say. And her being his worst enemy is the main reason why the priests had a debate on whether or not she should be included in the pantheon and temples, and most of them reached the conclusion that she should be included because it's great how Perkunas married his worst enemy. They kept her as a representation of Perkunas' virtue.

Anyway, Holybell, thanks for the spoilers on Chapter 2. Do we know yet if Tir Na Fal supports the Demons or not?

If the Three-Headed Dragon that the three goddesses on the mural in the sacred cavern in Brune is Zirnitra + the Black Bow + a third power, like Marx said, then it begs the following questions: why Tir Na Fal is lending her will to the Black Bow, why the King of the Magic Bullet who wields the Black Bow is the embodiment of her will, and why there seems to be a connection between her and those two (Zirnitra and the Black Bow). Also, the fact that the Black Bow's charged arrows now take the shape of a Dragon make me think that the Bow itself has a connection to Zirnitra. Like, maybe it was created from Zirnitra's scales?

So I don't know; I think it's more likely for the Three-Headed Dragon to be a combination of three other beings, if it's really a combination of three things and if Tir Na Fal is the one (or three?) fighting it.

[holybell84]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

@Ramero: Tir Na Fal isn't Perkunas' (thanks for reminding me of his name) mother or daughter. She's his sister, wife and worst enemy. That's what the novels say. And her being his worst enemy is the main reason why the priests had a debate on whether or not she should be included in the pantheon and temples, and most of them reached the conclusion that she should be included because it's great how Perkunas married his worst enemy. They kept her as a representation of Perkunas' virtue.

Anyway, Holybell, thanks for the spoilers on Chapter 2. Do we know yet if Tir Na Fal supports the Demons or not?

If the Three-Headed Dragon that the three goddesses on the mural in the sacred cavern in Brune is Zirnitra + the Black Bow + a third power, like Marx said, then it begs the following questions: why Tir Na Fal is lending her will to the Black Bow, why the King of the Magic Bullet who wields the Black Bow is the embodiment of her will, and why there seems to be a connection between her and those two (Zirnitra and the Black Bow). Also, the fact that the Black Bow's charged arrows now take the shape of a Dragon make me think that the Bow itself has a connection to Zirnitra. Like, maybe it was created from Zirnitra's scales?

So I don't know; I think it's more likely for the Three-Headed Dragon to be a combination of three other beings, if it's really a combination of three things and if Tir Na Fal is the one (or three?) fighting it.

Spoiler for Spoiler:

No info on who she really support, but she did take interest and does answer Tigre's call for power; he did not drew power from the bow on his own will.

[DragonOsman]

What will happen when Tigre draws power from the Bow on his own? Will he draw power from Zirnitra in that case? If so, that'd be cool, though he doesn't go crazy or something from that. Though I thought he already did that in the sacred caverns in Brune after Bertrand's death, when he drew more power from the Bow in rage and the charged arrow took the shape of a giant black Dragon ascending to Heaven. Wouldn't it kind of make to sense to think he's probably been drawing power from Zirnitra since then, unknowingly perhaps? Or is he still actually drawing power from both Tir Na Fal and Zirnitra?