Chronicle Legion [Light Novel]

[RDNexus]

Erm... Given that Hatsune acquired the power of Yoshitsune through his scroll, wouldn't that mean that Masatsugu acquired the power of Hijikata through his sword?
I remember reading that some heroes resurrected through the prayers while others remained in the items that could give powers to Chevaliers.
Of course, I may be wrong.

[firespier]

Originally Posted by xrick

Erm... Given that Hatsune acquired the power of Yoshitsune through his scroll, wouldn't that mean that Masatsugu acquired the power of Hijikata through his sword?
I remember reading that some heroes resurrected through the prayers while others remained in the items that could give powers to Chevaliers.
Of course, I may be wrong.

yes he gets the power of using the swordsmanship through the fact that he mastered the sword

[dragon1412]

Originally Posted by Marx-93

I don't see any reason to think that it might be Hijikata? (except maybe the "cruel-looking" part). Given that Kasaneda seems to be perfectly happy with Masatsugu and hasn't shown any reaction to his true bearer being alive, I don't think it's too likely

EDIT: Ninja'd

Spoiler for Ideas:

At the risk of making a mistake given that I still haven't finished vol. 3, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the information given was kinda of a trap. In Campione (and I think leviathan, though I can't put my finger on what was it exactly) we were given information more than once that was very tricky, almost misdirection. I had the feeling since the second volume that it has been almost too easy. Sure, Subutai is unknown, but he is still the most famous Mongol general after Genghis. And at the end of the first volume everything screamed Mongolian. I wouldn't discard a switch or something similar.

To add to the discussion; it is known that in his last campaigns Subutai was very elderly (and some say obese), so he was carried in a litter instead of riding with his army. If the memories in V1 are just before his death, then there is something strange here (of course, the author could simply retcon that or make it as if the historical Subutai was always a fighter).

As a final note, Jebe's birth name was Jirqo'adai, so maybe that would fit with the three syllables in Chinese (I know absolutely 0 of Chinese, so I'll await an expert to speak up).

Spoiler for spoil in identity:

it could both being Subutai and Jebe as of now. Though i would think that it is Jebe, since Masatsugu has said that he " borrowed" from someone and as far as depiction in historicals goes, Subutai pretty sure don't got any trouble with his superior and is actually rather good at sieges warfare thanks to Chinese sieges engine. His character in Chinese are 速不台, 3 words. While Jebe is 哲别, 2words

In defense for Masatsugu being Subutai, the point is that Jelme is Subutai's brother, and according to traditions and history of mongols, Subutai is supposed to ve the one to inherit smithy as Jelme is sended to Temujin as slave, and as such, by the time he join the army of Khan, Subutai is likely to possessed no skill with bows or tactics or fighting. This make Subutai have an extremely hard time when he start out. And coupling with the fact that he has no skill to offer, there are certain probability that Subutai might not get good treatment from his superior. we however can't confirmed this, since Subutai early bio is rather mysterios. But chance exist.

[wghokay]

Originally Posted by Marx-93

Spoiler for Ideas:

To add to the discussion; it is known that in his last campaigns Subutai was very elderly (and some say obese), so he was carried in a litter instead of riding with his army. If the memories in V1 are just before his death, then there is something strange here (of course, the author could simply retcon that or make it as if the historical Subutai was always a fighter).

Spoiler for Masatsugu's age:

It has been shown in Wei Qing's case that the physical age of the Resurrectees is not necessarily the age when they die.
In fact, if we go by how close the relationship between Masatsugu and his past "comrade" in this novel, I would not be surprised if Masatsugu-Subutai considers the era when he and Jebe were fighting together as his golden age.

[Marx-93]

Originally Posted by dragon1412

Spoiler for spoil in identity:

it could both being Subutai and Jebe as of now. Though i would think that it is Jebe, since Masatsugu has said that he " borrowed" from someone and as far as depiction in historicals goes, Subutai pretty sure don't got any trouble with his superior and is actually rather good at sieges warfare thanks to Chinese sieges engine. His character in Chinese are 速不台, 3 words. While Jebe is 哲别, 2words

In defense for Masatsugu being Subutai, the point is that Jelme is Subutai's brother, and according to traditions and history of mongols, Subutai is supposed to ve the one to inherit smithy as Jelme is sended to Temujin as slave, and as such, by the time he join the army of Khan, Subutai is likely to possessed no skill with bows or tactics or fighting. This make Subutai have an extremely hard time when he start out. And coupling with the fact that he has no skill to offer, there are certain probability that Subutai might not get good treatment from his superior. we however can't confirmed this, since Subutai early bio is rather mysterios. But chance exist.

Oh, I could add something about that. I've read some parts (concretely the free ones in google books) of "Subotai the Valiant", a book about him (it's not the best historical paper/book ever, but it's not pop history either).

Subutai, as Jelme's little brother, was appointed as the guard of the door of Genghis tent. It seems that it was from this position, overhearing Genghis and his generals as they planned their campaigns, that he learned most about strategy and tactics. Soon enough (when he was still a junior officer) he was participating in those meeting and Genghis valued his input a great deal.

Still, you are completely right about not being super-skilled in a battle. While with his advise and some heroic deeds he had proved himself worthy of a promotion, Genghis doubted to promote him to a field commander, as he feared he was too inexperienced and not that good fighting. While this fears were soon gone, as Subutai's tactical acumen overcame them, it's true that he was never renowned for his fighting prowess. Funnily enough, the book even compares him with Jebe, remarking that Jebe was a dashing and extremely brave Mongolian commander, a proven fighter and leader in comparison to Subutai's youthfulness and lack of experience commanding. The book literally says:

Jebe Noyan was a dashing, personally courageous commander with the heart of a gambler when it came to risky stratagems. He had fought against Genghis in the early days, and had proven his physical courage repeatedly in the tribal wars. Subotai, on the other hand, although having fought in command of small units during the tribal wars, seems to have been chosen for senior command primarily on the basis of his intellectual acumen in military matters.

[zzhk]

Jebe is written ジェベ in katakana, which would be three characters.

But I think ╳╳╳ is just meant to be a generic placeholder without indication of name length or syllable count.

As for the incompetent/resentful liege, as I've said previously, it was simply speculation on Masatsugu's part based on his fragments of memories depicting poorly supplied cavalry.

Also, I don't think simply telling Masatsugu his name would be enough to fix his condition. His missing name is more a symptom of his incomplete soul and memories, so more will need to be done.

[Ratedhook522]

Anybody have any spoilers for volume 5? Namely what the images show such as the haughty girl sitting on what looks to be a throne smirking down on someone unseen or what's to happen in this volume since unfortunately I can't find the raws for this.

[zzhk]

That's the Japanese Empress, Teruhime, who has an inferiority complex against Shiori.

Because Lord Tenryuu refused to listen to her wish for a Resurrectee, she unsealed the "demon" Taira no Masakado.

[XFire]

Originally Posted by zzhk

That's the Japanese Empress, Teruhime, who has an inferiority complex against Shiori.

Because Lord Tenryuu refused to listen to her wish for a Resurrectee, she unsealed the "demon" Taira no Masakado.

I spent thirty seconds on his wiki page and I can already tell how that's gonna play out....

[Ratedhook522]

Currently what is going on in volume 5 with the empress and what role is Shiori playing in this volume?? Who is the empress looking down at as shown in the picture?

[Rokumonsen]

Originally Posted by zzhk

Because Lord Tenryuu refused to listen to her wish for a Resurrectee, she unsealed the "demon" Taira no Masakado.

Why did Tenryuu refused? Lack of power to do so?

[Y Ddraig Goch]

Spoiler for Thoughts:

Actually, about Shiori's role in volume 5, I've been musing about it and came up with some rather wayward speculations. This volume is guaranteed to have suffering Shiori, and I thought the Empress and her lackeys might try to make her suffer some way. Maybe try to use her in some manner along the way. Shiori looks rather vulnerable in the illustrations.

I even mused the thought of the Empress trying to hitch her to Caesar to get something out of it, but that's highly unlikely because this novel's setting strikes me as one that doesn't put much relevance on political marriages and even if it did, that would be still a bad move since a such thing can definitely post even a bigger risk to Japan's sovereignty.

With such a conniving creature, let's see how things go. Can't help but wonder what made Shiori go back to the capital.

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Also, is it me or does Black Prince-kun seem rather interested in Shiori? He always compliments her like he did when he was issuing orders for her capture or like in volume 3's epilogue. Well, she does attract interest from all sides.

Originally Posted by Rokumonsen

Why did Tenryuu refused? Lack of power to do so?

Maybe simply because he didn't find her worthy enough. Shiori, while trying be as objective as possible, has noted that she has all the good qualities the Empress herself lacks, which may be part of the reason why the Empress' followers despise her.

There is also the fact that Shiori has strongly inherited Tenryuu's blood.

[dullman]

Hmm so it's the same author as Campione??
So let me ask one thing is the writing style similar to Campione?? I Mean i liked first volume of Campione but after reading to 10 I was feeling like I'm reading for the tenth time first volume, all volumes, events etc. was so similar to previous ones that i do drop the series, the only ones which different volumes was a female characters but volumes focused on battles mainly and those were similar in every vol. So my question is the author writing matured, or we get the same thing in every volume similar to Campione?? I ask because i thought about starting reading.

[Marx-93]

Originally Posted by Y Ddraig Goch

Spoiler for Thoughts:

Actually, about Shiori's role in volume 5, I've been musing about it and came up with some rather wayward speculations. This volume is guaranteed to have suffering Shiori, and I thought the Empress and her lackeys might try to make her suffer some way. Maybe try to use her in some manner along the way. Shiori looks rather vulnerable in the illustrations.

I even mused the thought of the Empress trying to hitch her to Caesar to get something out of it, but that's highly unlikely because this novel's setting strikes me as one that doesn't put much relevance on political marriages and even if it did, that would be still a bad move since a such thing can definitely post even a bigger risk to Japan's sovereignty.

With such a conniving creature, let's see how things go. Can't help but wonder what made Shiori go back to the capital.

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Spoiler for My thoughts:

I don't think Teruhime would dare to marry Shiori to anyone with actual power, especially Caesar, who already implied as far in the prologue of V1 that he wouldn't mind changing the one he is "protecting". And I mostly agree on arranged marriages, but I think they still are a thing (though probably only for the royal family and Regional lords); Shiori remarked in V1 that she may be unable to marry Masatsugu as she was part of the "Imperial family".

And frankly, the situation is at stalemate. I don't know what happens in V4, but as of now, Tokaido doesn't have the manpower to take Kanto nor reconquer all of its territory, while still having formidable defensive positions. Only a combination of Caesar and Wei Qing or Edward and Richard would be able to take Hakone or Suruga against Masutsugu with close to 100% chances, and losing in both cases would leave them open to a devastating counterattack (as their Legions would take 3 weeks to recover while Masutsugu would be fine the next day). And if Tokaido loses Masutsugu in an attack (or loses most of its Legions) then they will be swept over by the other 2.

It wouldn't be strange for Shiori to negotiate for something (maybe even higher autonomy for Tokaido? Support to recover Nagoya?), probably in exchange of leaving Hakone "peacefully" in hands of their other allies.

On other notes, I'm actually a bit disappointed that girl is Teruhime. I was half-expecting a sweet girl whose only reason for hating Shiori was a crippling (and kinda understandable) inferiority complex and because of it a dependency on the ladies of the Court (who would be the real harlots).

And Tenryuu seems to actually care for his "granddaughters", so I wouldn't put it past him to only grant a ressurrectee to Shiori in order to force the Empress to accept her and work together.

[setsuna86]

Originally Posted by Marx-93

Spoiler for My thoughts:

I don't think Teruhime would dare to marry Shiori to anyone with actual power, especially Caesar, who already implied as far in the prologue of V1 that he wouldn't mind changing the one he is "protecting". And I mostly agree on arranged marriages, but I think they still are a thing (though probably only for the royal family and Regional lords); Shiori remarked in V1 that she may be unable to marry Masatsugu as she was part of the "Imperial family".

And frankly, the situation is at stalemate. I don't know what happens in V4, but as of now, Tokaido doesn't have the manpower to take Kanto nor reconquer all of its territory, while still having formidable defensive positions. Only a combination of Caesar and Wei Qing or Edward and Richard would be able to take Hakone or Suruga against Masutsugu with close to 100% chances, and losing in both cases would leave them open to a devastating counterattack (as their Legions would take 3 weeks to recover while Masutsugu would be fine the next day). And if Tokaido loses Masutsugu in an attack (or loses most of its Legions) then they will be swept over by the other 2.

It wouldn't be strange for Shiori to negotiate for something (maybe even higher autonomy for Tokaido? Support to recover Nagoya?), probably in exchange of leaving Hakone "peacefully" in hands of their other allies.

On other notes, I'm actually a bit disappointed that girl is Teruhime. I was half-expecting a sweet girl whose only reason for hating Shiori was a crippling (and kinda understandable) inferiority complex and because of it a dependency on the ladies of the Court (who would be the real harlots).

And Tenryuu seems to actually care for his "granddaughters", so I wouldn't put it past him to only grant a ressurrectee to Shiori in order to force the Empress to accept her and work together.

Well, I don't know much about this series, but from what I read, this is what I think: The problem isn't that Tenryuu granted a ressurectee to Shiori and not to Teruhime. It depends on their ability to communicate with Tenryuu. And in this case, Shiori's is far higher than Teruhime as she has inherited more of the blood of Tenryuu (to the point that her hair turns platinum) than Teruhime, thus her ability to "clearly" communicate with him is higher.

Well something like that. I don't know if I phrase it correctly though.

[bakapervert]

It could also be a matter of their lifeforce. Shiori seem like she have much power and lifeforce to live for more than a hundred year. Yet Tenryuu only give her amnesiac ressurectee so she won't have too much of her life got taken. Tenryuu might be ignoring Teruhime because listening to her wish might take too much of her life.

[setsuna86]

Originally Posted by bakapervert

It could also be a matter of their lifeforce. Shiori seem like she have much power and lifeforce to live for more than a hundred year. Yet Tenryuu only give her amnesiac ressurectee so she won't have too much of her life got taken. Tenryuu might be ignoring Teruhime because listening to her wish might take too much of her life.

Well, that's what I mean by inheriting more of the blood of Tenryuu, meaning that she has more lifeforce than Teruhime, so that even if shaved a little, she'll still live a long life.

[zzhk]

Well, the life force theory was only speculation on Masatsugu's part, so who knows. As it turns out, someone had taught Shiori the Resurrectee summoning ritual, and they were the ones responsible for sealing away Masatsugu's memories.

Volume 4 is mostly a transitional volume. In true Liu Bei fashion, Shiori plans on keeping Hakone with no intention of returning it to Kanto. Wei Qing sees through her but does not intervene. After capturing Hakone, Masatsugu returns to Suruga to run the school festival and beauty contest. Then Edward and Richard attack Hakone, but are repelled by the joint forces of Wei Qing and Hatsune. After the battle, they hold a secret hot spring gathering and chat through the night.

Of course, the juicy details and the surprise revelations are what matter the most in this series, but please wait patiently for the full translations.

[Natsume01]

^Oh, it's getting interesting. Seems like the author finally managed to create his "male" fanservice.

If I understood correctly the reason you stopped translating is because there isn't a chinese version of v04, is that right?

So did you manage to find one, or is it being translated? (I'm saying this since you posted spoilers for it, but maybe you just read those spoilers in chinese and "translated" it for us.)

Well anyway, thanks for your amazing work on v01-v03.

[Rokumonsen]

Does Shiori knows how to unseal Masatsugu? There'll be a time that she'll need his full powers, especially when going up against the likes of Caesar (which is inevitable, if she aims to reclaim Japan's independence).