US Elections 2016 Part II: The Debates & General Election

[sasoras]

Originally Posted by Reckoner

The working class whites just voted for policies that will hurt them the most in this country. I can promise you I will have NO sympathy for these bigots and idiots when they reap the rewards of an economy in free fall.

Hillary clinton's track record for upholding the policies she said she supported was never very good.

You can blame Hillary Clinton or you can blame the average voter.

I blame Hillary Clinton. I do not believe the average voter as bad, but that Hillary clinton was terrible.

[JKL]

2016 reality check.

[KiraYamatoFan]

Originally Posted by sasoras

If I remembering polling correctly the most popular politicians during the DNC convention was.

1)Michelle obama
2)Chelsea clinton
3)Bernie Sander

Only one of those 3 was a politician.

You're clutching at straws if you think Sanders would have done better. He may have reached the younger voters, but would have scored low numbers with older voters anyway as it was shown today in a different table of age groups.

Considering that the population in the US is ageing like in any Western country, a message that has a more socialist-like tone would have not gone well with those people nor in very conservative states. Also don't forget the fact that Sanders is Jewish. It may have not gone well with Christians who just don't like un-Christians. Trump might have had an easier road to the White House against Sanders.

Who are we to say one or the other Democratic candidate would have done better against Trump? Both had their pros and cons, which means different sets of problems to deal with.

[sasoras]

Originally Posted by KiraYamatoFan

You're clutching at straws if you think Sanders would have done better. He may have reached the younger voters, but would have scored low numbers with older voters anyway as it was shown today in a different table of age groups.

Considering that the population in the US is ageing like in any Western country, a message that has a more socialist-like tone would have not gone well with those people nor in very conservative states. Also don't forget the fact that Sanders is Jewish. It may have not gone well with Christians who just don't like un-Christians. Trump might have had an easier road to the White House against Sanders.

Who are we to say one or the other Democratic candidate would have done better against Trump? Both had their pros and cons, which means different sets of problems to deal with.

What are you getting defensive about, I was supporting you statement on michelle obama being popular.

But yes i believe Bernie is superior to HRC in every single possible conceivable way, that is humanly possible.

Be it policy, substance, integrity, popularity, intelligence, wisdom, decision making, pragmatism, planning, health, dignity, grace, and foresight.

I do not think America is misogynistic, idiots or racists, it is simply because Hillary has far too much baggage.

Say what you will, believe what you will, think what you will, but she lost to Donald trump, and that is an absolute fact.

Think about this carefully she LOST to DONALD TRUMP, of all people.

This says more about HILLARY than it does about America.

[Newhope]

Originally Posted by Reckoner

The working class whites just voted for policies that will hurt them the most in this country. I can promise you I will have NO sympathy for these bigots and idiots when they reap the rewards of an economy in free fall.

Liberals like yourself really need to look into a mirror because you're everything you claim to hate.

[Harbinger]

Originally Posted by Reckoner

The working class whites just voted for policies that will hurt them the most in this country. I can promise you I will have NO sympathy for these bigots and idiots when they reap the rewards of an economy in free fall.

big·ot
noun
a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

White this. White that... You're being one as well...

The election was lost because Clinton was a terrible candidate, not because of "White" voters.

What? White voters can't vote?

White voting for Trump is terrible but black voting for Clinton is praise-worthy?

Black vote > White vote?

You say white voters shot themselves by voting for Trump?
I say black voters jailed themselves when they supported a Clinton.

The Clinton family is a walking disaster full of corruption. Get over it. People are sick and tired of Clinton. There's always a scandal around the corner with them.

The next time the Democrats select a candidate, perhaps they will think twice before picking someone UNDER federal criminal investigation. They might think twice before voting for someone with a whole graveyard in their closet.

[KiraYamatoFan]

Originally Posted by Newhope

Liberals like yourself really need to look into a mirror because you're everything you claim to hate.

I don't need to, because Liberals in my country are already doing a hell lot better in one year than almost a whole decade under that Tory cunt named Stephen Harper. Anyone who votes for a conservative government in Canada's history always end up looking like silly idiots. No wonder why the Tories have a very small part of the pie chart on the country's history of leadership since 1867.

[Ithekro]

People get way to upset over things that in reality aren't all that much different.

We are all humans last I checked.

[sasoras]

It will get worse, pushing HRC gas lighted the dem down ballot.

[OH&S]

Originally Posted by KiraYamatoFan

You're clutching at straws if you think Sanders would have done better. He may have reached the younger voters, but would have scored low numbers with older voters anyway as it was shown today in a different table of age groups.

Hardly. The theme of this election was anti-establishment and the machine politician lost. Bernie Sanders had more credibility, integrity and a near-bulletproof record compared to Hillary. He had cross party support. He didn't have any scandals (caused by him) surrounding him.

He actively voiced his policies that favoured the middle-class and with a record to back it up.

The FBI wouldn't be on his case. Russia wouldn't be on his case. Wikileaks wouldn't be on his case.

He didn't alienate Republican voters like Hillary did with the basket of deplorables or that Bernie Bros crap that HRC supporters falsely perpetuated.

I can keep going if you want. If the only negative thing you can say about Bernie is that he was an oh so scary Socialist (what the rest of the world would call normal) and that he wouldn't have polled well with older voters, then I tell you now, Hillary Clinton was the worst possible candidate.

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First female president my ass. Judge a candidate on their record, policies and character; not their gender.

[Dauerlutscher]

So the racist, sexist, homophob, populist and demagog without any reasonable plan for the future won this election. It's very telling.
See you guys in 4 years when you complain that this lunatic made your country a worse place to live in.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Dauerlutscher

So the racist, sexist, homophob, populist and demagog without any reasonable plan for the future won this election. It's very telling.
See you guys in 4 years when you complain that this lunatic made your country a worse place to live in.

Don't worry for them. They'll find someone else to blame.

[sasoras]

Blame everyone but not Clinton, typical.

[MeoTwister5]

So when can I expect World War 3 to start as both your presidential candidates allege on either side?

[sasoras]

Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

So when can I expect World War 3 to start as both your presidential candidates allege on either side?

Not happening, a president isn't as powerful as house or senate.

Voting down ballot is much more important then a presidency. The problem with pushing HRC is twofold.

The DNC ran a strategy that killed the down ballot voter for the dems. They pushed a divisive candidate, separated their own base, exposed their corruption, suppressed the excited voter, and lost the funding that was rewired to the general election.

[Harbinger]

Bernie would have won, unless he had made a game-ending mistake. It's not even questionable. He would have tapped into that anti-establishment sentiment.

Whether you agree with him or not, you knew Bernie stood for something. That alone is worth "respect" in an environment full of flip flops and corruptions.

On Debates about substance, Sanders would have had crushed Trump any day of the week. The biggest dirt (publicly) they had on him was that his wife's college (I think it was a college) went bankrupt.

With Clinton, it's just one scandal after another.

You know, Clinton would probably have won had she picked Bernie Sanders as her running mate... or even Elizabeth Warren. She would have taken a portion of those anti-establishment voters.

Originally Posted by Dauerlutscher

So the racist, sexist, homophob, populist and demagog without any reasonable plan for the future won this election. It's very telling.
See you guys in 4 years when you complain that this lunatic made your country a worse place to live in.

As bad as it is, it's nowhere near Clinton's level of rottenness.

DNC cheated and did everything in their powers to force Clinton down our throats. The people have said no.

The only ones to blame is Clinton and the DNC...

[MeoTwister5]

Originally Posted by sasoras

Not happening, a president isn't as powerful as house or senate.

Voting down ballot is much more important then a presidency. The problem with pushing HRC is twofold.

The DNC ran a strategy that killed the down ballot voter for the dems. They pushed a divisive candidate, separated their own base, exposed their corruption, suppressed the excited voter, and lost the funding that was rewired to the general election.

I was being sarcastic. Was just reacting to the tinfoil Fallout-style scenarios the crazies on either side alleges will start the moment their not-candidate wins. The fearmongering is hilarious.

I predict the status quo won't be likely to change, whichever of them won. No one has the balls or the political will to make those changes no matter what came out of their mouths, both real and allegedly. I honestly don't think Trump is going to make any sort of real changes or dents in the status quo, both for the good or the bad. Not that Hillary would have done so either.

[Rising Dragon]

Gee. I come back here before going to bed to see a bunch of people calling all white people bigots and sexists and monsters.

Because that did you guys so well in the election. Maybe, y'know, stop being racist yourselves for once? Please? Because it's already old.

[Mahou]

In the end, the whole election seemed to be as South Park's Turd Sandwich vs Giant Douche ridiculed it. Voting for the lesser of two "evils". And the result is Trump . Hopefully he puts his "cheering" faboy dictators à la North Korea and co in their place.

[Sheba]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Gee. I come back here before going to bed to see a bunch of people calling all white people bigots and sexists and monsters.

Because that did you guys so well in the election. Maybe, y'know, stop being racist yourselves for once? Please? Because it's already old.

It worked out so well for the Remain side in Brexit referendum.