Funnels Vs Dragoons

[reinloch]

In a funnels fight, what stops one newtype's mind from interferring with his opponent's funnels? You don't want your funnels to turn on you now, do you?

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by reinloch

In a funnels fight, what stops one newtype's mind from interferring with his opponent's funnels? You don't want your funnels to turn on you now, do you?

If the difference between the pilots is this great, you would have already lost anyway. In general the difference in psychic powers between people are not enough to interfere with each other's equipment... And if one has so much mastery over the other, they can probably just mind-blast their opponent to death.

[RX-78GP04G Gerbera]

I'd also guess that it's because every person's mind is unique in their own ways. (just like everyone else =P , lol) and psycommu systems are adjusted to fit that mindset of the person (or whatever system is used, it's usually finetuned to the main pilot). So I guess it could also be because of how the psycommu/psyco frame/etc systems are set up..

[Kaioshin Sama]

Looks like I'll have to explain INCOM's here. INCOM's are none newtype wireguided weaponary used to allow non-newtypes to conduct all-range attacks. I'm pretty sure the first use of an INCOM was on the Gundam MK-V and S Gundam from Gundam Sentinel. Nobody was really ready for such technology and the Gundam MK-V wrecked havock on the Autonomous Corps on the moon all but annhilating all the FAZZ's and Z Plus units, only the S Gundam was able to match it and take it down. Don't underestimate INCOM's they are every bit as deadly as Funnels except with less range and degree of control, surprise is key. Also its the Psycho Gundam Mark II that has the reflector bits, the Pycho Gundam has nothing in term of bits or funnels. Finally did anyone mention the Geymark's Mother and Child Funnels yet, thought I'd add something useful here.

[RX-78GP04G Gerbera]

Well, Incoms still work most efficiently with Newtype or very skilled pilots (which Brave Cod obviously was, but also used the weakness of the FAZZ's inability to fight in close-range combat to win) and still used quasi-psycommu systems (or "half-control" systems when used on the AMA-02/AMX-002 Neue Ziel, which allowed non-Newtypes to perform "all-range" attacks).

So far, Incom-equipped weapons I can think of...(including variations and others)

MRX-011 Mass Production Type Psyco Gundam

ORX-012/MSF-008 Gundam Mark IV
ORX-013 Gundam Mark V

MSA-0011 S Gundam/MSA-0011[Bst] S Gundam Booster Unit Type
MSA-0011[Ext] Ex-S Gundam/MSA-0011[Bst] S Gundam Booster Unit Type Plan 303E "Deep Striker"

AMX-014 Doven Wolf

RX-94 Mass Production Type Nu Gundam (optional)


It didn't seem to be a very long-lived piece of weaponry it seems...

[Shinji103]

The quasi-psycommu system was also used in the Neo Zeon's Hamma Hamma, although this was the original prototype version of it and couldn't do any of the complicated all-range attacks like the later perfected versions used in the Dven Wolf and such.

[C.A.]

Originally Posted by Kaioshin_Sama

Finally did anyone mention the Geymark's Mother and Child Funnels yet, thought I'd add something useful here.

lol I was thinking of it earlier on but I forgot the name, Mother and Child Funnels, lol I definitely can't remember it.

This weapon is actually a bit too, the 2 'Mothers'. The 2 mothers can almost operate on their own after the geymark is deployed, they have their own reactors. The self sustaining mother units, can each even fuel their own 14 child funnels.

This feeds back to what I've been saying all the time, funnels are just flying guns, their only purpose is to shoot. Any funnel with at least a 2nd ability would mean they are bits:

Reflector bits: Able to act as both attack and defense systems.
Mother and Child Funnels: Mega particle cannon and ability to release 14 funnels.
Fin Funnels: High powered particle beam, beam barrier ability.

Note that these weapons are also bits because they all have onboard reactors.

[lighthand]

I've got a question... In F91 the final boss used some flying things that looks no where like a bit, but also use psy control. What are those?

[RX-78GP04G Gerbera]

Only thing I can think of that you're talking about would be the Bugs...they don't use any psycommu systems at all, I'm sure.

They are programmed, I think. (since the Crossbone Vanguard just let them in, then went about their business without watching them)

[Kaioshin Sama]

Originally Posted by RX-78GP04G Gerbera

Only thing I can think of that you're talking about would be the Bugs...they don't use any psycommu systems at all, I'm sure.

They are programmed, I think. (since the Crossbone Vanguard just let them in, then went about their business without watching them)

Actually they seek out and destroy anything with a heat signature, specifically humans.

[Shinji103]

lighthand is talking about the Rafressia's tentacle-like beam cannons.

That was a neo-psycommu system, which allowed IronMask to control the tentacle cannons via brainwaves through his mask.

[RX-78GP04G Gerbera]

Ah..the Neo-psycommu system...allowing the pilot to completely control the machine without any sort of manual controls. All brainwave work (which would, obviously, require a lot of concentration and such)

[M_Flores]

I assume that Super DRAGOONs of SF are called 'Super' because they would be more durable and can take more damage?
I mean, they are bigger than regular units and they're basically SF's wings. I'm guessing they'd be tougher to take down?

[RX-78GP04G Gerbera]

Right now, it's not known why they are called "Super" DRAGOONs at all...they're really not any smaller or different than the Providence or Legend's DRAGOONs, so the only assumption I have is that...

A.) "Super" being just for the main character.
B.) Allowing normal people to control them like they can with the Legend and Chaos and such.

[lighthand]

Originally Posted by Shinji103

lighthand is talking about the Rafressia's tentacle-like beam cannons.

That was a neo-psycommu system, which allowed IronMask to control the tentacle cannons via brainwaves through his mask.

That's the one... IronMask don't seems to be a Newtype though.... cause I thought Newtype have a strong control of their mental state? That guy is like borderline crazy...

[Scorch]

Originally Posted by lighthand

That's the one... IronMask don't seems to be a Newtype though.... cause I thought Newtype have a strong control of their mental state? That guy is like borderline crazy...

Artificial newtypes are crazy all the time. See: Four, Rosamia. Iron Mask is an artificial newtype.

Gyunei is one of the few artificial newtypes that's actually somewhat sane.

[Potatochobit]

ironmask was indeed a new type. i dont know if he was artificial though. considering the princess secelly was a weak new type and he was her father, most likely he was a real newtype.

what were those little spinning discs the lafresia had? they did automatically attack people, yes, but i belive iron mask could recall them with new type powers. definately though at the end you could see they optical fibers runing into his helmet, which meant he was controlling the tentacle arms with his mind.

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by Potatochobit

what were those little spinning discs the lafresia had? they did automatically attack people, yes, but i belive iron mask could recall them with new type powers. definately though at the end you could see they optical fibers runing into his helmet, which meant he was controlling the tentacle arms with his mind.

The Bugs weren't controlled by the Rafressia or by Iron Mask directly, they were automated. They were a different weapon altogether from the Rafressia.

[Sir Dearka]

The topic is a bit rusty, but I have to add my 5 cents

Even if Kira is not Newtype, maybe his Uber-Coordinator status provides him with Newtype abilities

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Sir Dearka

The topic is a bit rusty, but I have to add my 5 cents

Even if Kira is not Newtype, maybe his Uber-Coordinator status provides him with Newtype abilities

Umm, no. Kira being an ultimate coordinator only means that he has no imperfections. He's essentially a perfect, uninhibited human. It by no means gives him psychic powers.