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Chiya's ability hit the nail pretty much. Girl still liked her and said 'wow there's no change at all' even after she got her ability. This pretty much confirmed that Hibiki is a good girl at core. However as Tomoe said, she's beginning to lose her good trait slowly after her experience in this another world. Quote:
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2017-02-09, 02:57
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Whoa whoa calm down guys... The parent doesn't know that The goddess bear a grugde towards them. That probably the reason why goddess toss him away. After his summoning. It's not because makoto is ugly or anything. She just feel angry and want a revenge.. oh naisu... NTR.. I call Namorax and co...
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2017-02-09, 03:21
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well going back to hibiki; i also have debated this multiple times in the forum and have write far long summaries to collaborate some of those debates , some far greater than my English allows me to do so and i'm more than happy to find someone who could understand and look past the entire hate form that seems to build around her mainly because of minor exposure that she had so far. trust me i can accept hate; but i can not accept some misplaced hate like for example: some people hates NTR(and i'm one of those) but i will never diminish a character in a book because he have done it and start hating him ; it all depends of how the NTR have been used and so on and in hibiki's case, there is nothing to bring so much hate to her like that; at least i have not been seeing that. she have been naive and immature in some points in the beginner>> yes, she have. she have been doing wonderful things in the situation that she have been put in the beginner >>> yes, she have; like for example she got to know that the entire current hyuman society is based in this discrimination against the devils and this have been rotted to their core; so she choice to focus on those who could still be "saved", and focused her power in the important young nobles in the kingdom to start to deviate them from the prejudice from young age; and later on, once the war was over, she would assume command with those youngsters to purge their society of that racism; and be aware that she never intended to govern herself, she want only to show the "way": is a very longterm plan, but she is doing. she have grow a lot and have being building her "plan" for the future and as reader we need to really focus on the small detail in each chapter to get around to know her. i'm not one of the hibiki's fan, but i could see her evolution from the beginner to the recent chapters and i must say that she had a even better grow that makoto,only if she had the power he has, or the information he have without doubt she would do many things different than she is doing right now or have done in the past. in the end there is not really nothing that screams hibiki is bitch or so on, She is ready to have her revenge, but she knows the consequences of it; she is aware that is simple a revenge but what she can do? in the end she is just human too and a young girl at that, i would be more upset if she did not had any feelings of revenge, since she was pretty disgusted with the way that the nobles are and choice to leave fast to "battle" so she could be away from them, and that party was mainly her family in that world since she would not be able to go back. i'm not gonna lie; LN's are not the best writing material we have so far in the world but without doubt is one that i like the most; and the reason is because of novels like this one where the author brings 3 people; makoto;tomoki;hibiki and throws then at this new world with magic and crisis and from each of them we can observe some reactions that at least is realist; is something that as i person i can say that many people would act in the same way as them if they are thrown in the same situation; of course there can be a 4 5 6 or many other ways to act but the way they are acting is without doubt something that could happen. i will end the talk about hibiki with this quote from you; because it is perfectly to describe hibiki; only if she had half the power that makoto has, she could simple shit in the entire limia and do the things like she "want" to do, than the things that she have been "forced" to do for the greater good, and by greater good i mean; with less number of sacrifices. Quote:
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but since the beginner of the history they only had two choices left; fight the hyumans for a new a better land or go extinct. edit: have just read those new posts about the parents and i must say; i do not understand the hate for them as well; holy god; they could not have know what would have happen to makoto in that world; and they have choice makoto as anyone would have do; i bet here that if anyone would be put in the same situation as them, at least more than 50% would choice to send the boy than one of the two girls and i'm being conservative here , is just the way that our society works at the present, i will not even mention that one of them was younger than makoto, so the real question would be the older sister or him. I do not have a sister; but as brother i can say without doubt that if i'm put in that situation i would at least prefer to be me, than my 2-4 years younger/older brother/sister; even more if i have been trained since i'm a child and i'm confident with my abilities and let's all remember, the bug never gave a "time stamp" for her to collect her prize, she simple said that she will take it and done; it all come as surprise because the devils was ready for their final push in the war, so she needed her hero ASAP. And their parents choice to flee the world not because the bug is a pain but because they finally could see of how toxic and fuckedup the hyumans and that "world" was after everything was blow out in public , maybe is me because have not read in english , but the options that the bug given them like memory wipe so on and the way that they refuse them because in the end "they will know" what have happen and what the "people" have done because of it so it shows a lot that they are upset is with the way the world have been, not her. this is reinforced because of the future of what have happen with their country or you all think that everything that happened after the matters have come to public was over with just talks? their country ruined after that, and the devils took possession of it; the entire case involving makoto's mother and the devil was a plan from the beginner from the devil side or everyone let that part pass? for gods sakes, it becomes pretty clear by how the author have made the sentences of the chapters that both of them are from a very, very very, i will say again, very higher echelon of the kingdom and probably would be part of the ones leading it in the future , and without doubt that entire scandal have caused a civil war/witch hunter targeting her family or worse, that allowed their country ,one of the strongest, to fallen so fast against the devils.
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2017-02-09, 04:22
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2017-02-09, 08:23
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BTW what is the current level of Lime?
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2017-02-09, 08:49
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But then again, Gods of bith Earth and Bug's world thought that the daughters would be taken by the bug since Makoto was supposed to die as a stillbirth in the first place. The gods probably sent Makoto to Bug instead of the daughter since they knew that he was a freak of nature already considering he didn't die through sheer force of will bending his fate (when he was just born).
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2017-02-09, 09:21
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Personally, I don't hate Hibiki, but I do dislike certain qualities of her and there is a strong chance of her and Makoto cooperating in the future as shown in this current arc later. What I mean by unnecessary is putting her in Makoto's harem, there's zero point in that as I don't see any romantic interest there. Unlike Tomoki who screwed up his 2nd chance at redemption, then 3rd chance, then another 4th in the future.... Hibiki is at least rational and responsible to a greater extent as shown later in this arc. The test exam example does not fit as the scales are vastly different. She's basically like a corporate spy trying to find intel/trade secrets on a rival company using social engineering. It's not outright wrong, but its not right either. Although on Earth, its unlawful when caught. ------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't get the hate for Makoto's parents.... we reading the same thing?  It happened 23 years ago too.It's kinda funny how the BUG was trying to separate the parents and a demon (Tomoki's past reincarnation 23 years ago lol) seduced/charmed her outside her calculations. Then Makoto's dad got her back and killed the demon (Tomoki). And this extra is the reason I called the BUG one of those tsundere oujo-san's in fantasy novels that are outright irritating in the beginning then after the MC defeats them, then they mellow out. I still want Makoto to give her a "Touma class punch" in the future though.
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2017-02-09, 09:24
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(The whole scene of the goddess trying to convince them could be interpreted that way. And when she finally gave up, the goddess took a number of actions to protect them: language, divine protection, change appearance to fit in, etc...) What they don't realize is that the goddess being tsundere is only for attractive people. For unattractive people, it's all tsun, no dere. Quote:
Like, Hibiki DOES care about demihumans. It's just that she's also practical and believes that she can't force a major change in society immediately, that it would take time to gradually change hyuman's minds about hyuman superiority. Also, while Hibiki doesn't care about demons, she doesn't hate them indiscriminately either. She just views them as the enemy side of a war. Makoto himself is guilty of this failing (as we can see in the more recent chapters, he doesn't even care that much about his students.) The difference in what I would think is a reasonable reaction to Hibiki and the "OHMIGOD I HOPE SHE GETS KILLED/BUTCHERED/NTR'd" is the reason I said (half-jokingly) that I can only imagine people hate her because she wasn't all "Makoto! You're so wonderful and absolutely right! The Goddess is terrible and I should change sides immediately and help to burn down hyuman society! KYAH!" Quote:
Incidentally, I think the test example is pretty fair. Because what determines if the questions are normal/unethical is the level of information being asked. "How was the test? Difficult" is ok. "What questions are on the test?" is not ok. So can you give an example of what she asked that was so wrong? I see her level of questions at the same level as honest curiosity. "Where are you guys located? How do transport goods? Why do you hire demi-humans?" Questions that would be normal to ask an acquaintance you have not seen in a while and are surprised by. Quote:
Is Tomoki a demon's reincarnation (which would be an interesting twist), or are you just saying there was another annoying character who likes teh womenz 23 years ago? Last edited by Rasen; 2017-02-09 at 09:49. |
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2017-02-09, 09:32
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I think most people hated Hibiki because in one of the raws, it is stated that Hibiki just want to see Makoto as someone that can be used, and because he is dangerous(heard from a dragon) and cannot be used, she want to sacrifice around 100,000 people(if i am not mistaken) just to send him back to Earth(some might think Hibiki is sending him back because she is kind but it is because she couldn't kill him, so this is the only method left)
i mean at least i don't see justice in this action(well, not like Makoto is a just-person either) please correct me of any mistakes edit: 1000 not 100,000 people
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2017-02-09, 09:55
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However, as far as the translated chapters have shown so far, Hibiki currently views Kuzunoha as dangerous and so doesn't want to make enemies of them. However if Kuzunoha and the demons were to destroy each other, it would benefit the hyumans. Sadly, Hibiki is putting her responsibilities before her personal feelings. But I can respect that, even if I don't like it. It's the natural extension to "Kill one to save many" (ala Kiritsugu) |
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2017-02-09, 09:58
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2017-02-09, 10:28
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(It's not entirely his fault, but given enough power and a hostile environment, this is apparently his default response.) Dream 1: Ever play Maniac Mansion and put a hamster in a microwave? Dream 2: Saved by Tomoki, he goes on to nuke Lorel. Dream 3: Saved by demons, he becomes the Demon Lord Dream 4: BURN IT ALL DOWN |
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2017-02-09, 12:06
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2017-02-09, 12:22
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Hibiki's plan is one thing, but will the demihumans or demons accept it so easily even if they lose the war? The core issue of this racism stems from the BUG's religion and her preferential bias for beauty/hyumans. I feel she is underestimating that aspect of the equation too much due to her obvious inexperience. Also, Hibiki is quite rational. That dragon was either a terrible advisor, or intentionally trying to create chaos, even if Hibiki sent Makoto back to Earth he might still find a way to get back with the help of his fanclub in the divine realm. Plus even without Makoto, Asora is quite the threat to demons/hyumans, and provoking them might create a bad end for her. She recognizes those risks and steered clear of them at the end. In any case, she realized that she's not Makoto's opponent at all. It's as futile as a human trying to injure the ocean by punching it. I think we should put Hibiki's character discussion on hold at least for a few more chapters, so that everyone is on the same page for the discussion. Quote:
Tomoki being that demon's reincarnation is a joke~
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2017-02-09, 12:30
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Now about the entire tomoki reincarnation as that devil , i'm sure he was joking when he said that and everyone is taking that all too serious , at least it seems so.. hahaha. Now, going back a little to hibiki, that chapter about waterfall and the ritual, is already done i think, or we you all need only to wait 1-2 chapter to know how the events unfold but i will write my reasoning about it as well: for me the entire talk that have happen and hibiki plans with him is without doubt the right thing to do; think about it; she is a person living in that world now , and not only that, she is the hero that have to shoulder the lives of thousands of people and then comes a dude, who is literally a human nuke and she HAVE to be able to stop him if everything comes to nuke, and to sacrifice 1k-10k humans to do that is fair reasonable option for what she is going against , she have done war and the hyumans have already lot many more than that with stella battle alone for example, so why we would criticize her because of that? she is aware that she does not want to sacrifice anyone but in the end if everything comes to worse she is ready to do so as well, this is progress and most important maturity as well and to keep it clear, she recognize that sending him back would create more problems than solution because of MIo and by this extend asora, since she did not really know about it at that time, but she is aware that shit was going to hit the fan too because of it. Edit: Quote:
this have happen multiple times in our world, hell in my country , we as colonial country had our entire economic based on slavery manpower in earlier 17-18 century in brazil, but once portugal have send the law to abide slavery, and enforced it later on; our history have show that many, of the so called free man, have choice to go back to their "Lords" now, because the situation that they had by being free, it was far worse than they had when they worked for them like for example many of them died of hunger. I'm not saying that slavery is good; nor even close but as someone who have learned about it and the effects of it in my own country for a good amount of years in school and so on, i can resemble that "hibiki" slavery is far more similar than the "slavery" we had pos the free law, where they would accept it more about because of the circumstances that they are,no food; nor land. nothing to do to change that; than a typical slave stereotype, where the hymans would be killing devils slaves everywhere and so on, this is not the type of slave that hibiki have in her plan, but without doubt it will happen to many of them, but would still be better than going extinct, this is just how severe they are right now, and with the arrival of makoto's asora teleport ability, things may chance for better but without it, i can totally see they accepting without even going to war.
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2017-02-09, 12:58
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the parents are shitty. i dont even care about the NTR stuff, all the people lose their minds when their perceive ''oh its NTR'' but thats not the important. First, really they cannot go to another place in the entire world? really? to tsige or someplace? secondo, they draw makoto a horrible hand, instead of explaining things as a child they trained him in some stuff, but the thing that saved makoto was the brogod blessings, and for the things they are talking between them they KNOW that the goddes isnt normal and also know that makoto is not handsome as the rest of the family, i dont remember what chapter but makoto or someone remarks this clearly. And if they prepared her children for this they at least suspect that the goddes will take one of them, but the levity of their reaction is off the charts, '' oh our kid is indeed something important, well hope for the best'' hahaha shitty parents at their best.
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