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Besides, remember the spoiler? The one that named McGillis Tekkadan's new leader. I will be interested to hear what you'll have to say if that bad fanfiction does come true next episode. But all that aside, why are we even sure there will still be Tekkadan for Eugene to be the leader of, again? The way things are looking, Tekkadan is no more. Not just because there's no Orga, but because even if they reach Earth, they will have to scatter; forget Tekkadan, even staying banded all together won't be safe for them. Quote:
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Also, I'm not a McGillis fan, and I don't really care about him. Didn't stop me from complaining about how ridiculous the Muh Bael plan was when my suspension of disbelief was forcefully stretched too far. Likes or dislikes had nothing to do with it. Same with Mika being bested by Julietta. These things just go way beyond common sense tolerance limit. Last edited by tdx; 2017-03-22 at 06:39. |
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2017-03-22, 06:15 | Link #1082 |
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Yeah pretty much Orga went through the ringer for 10 episodes to die a Virgin, protecting a worthless brat who was suppose to be protecting him and having never piloted his Shinden. To thugs hired by an associate that Kudelia failed to handle because she was too busy masturbating about Mika. Meanwhile Mika gets his Harem. And Eugene gets a promotion. And I am suppose to be happy about that death. Laughable.
Oh and all this is caused because McGillis had a terrible plan and Mika didn't just go all out and crush Julietta. I mean come on this is the same series with the Naze and Amida Death. Now that is Epic and Worthy of Praise. They almost got Iok and saved as much of their family as possible. Orga shot 2 no name thugs and saved just Ride. So Grand. |
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Well you guys have fun. I've said my piece. I'll probably come back around if there is any other new news that breaks or anything interesting in the PV pics. Other than that, see you guys next episode!
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2017-03-22, 09:45 | Link #1085 | |
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Orga is a great guy, but actually it's because Orga just led them through the way of guile that they are in this situation. Their problem was pointed out by Kudelia that they just don't know what are the choices (and everything she did in s2 are about the alternatives, so she is more than a haremett). Although Orga started to find different ways before he died, it's been proven that keeping his way through the end doesn't work. With his death it's actually sparing Tekkadan some death on meta level because it's now up to them to find new ways. With Mika, there is this co-dependency with Orga so Mika is like on full death flag, but that "what do you think" question by McGillis seems to cleared some of those death flags. If Mika's answer is "just go to where Orga is" or he otherwise answered it fully in the remaining 2 eps then he will most probably die, but if he leave the question not fully answered then it's likely he'll live. |
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2017-03-22, 11:38 | Link #1087 | |
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Right now Mika is dangerously close to back to where they started with Rustal abd Gaelio being the man who stamds between them and sanctuary. Because lets face it, Gaelio has a special disdain towards space rats and anyone who put their lot in with McGillis will join him in death
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Accepting one but not accepting the other even though both are basically the same thing is the very definition of double standard. Most of the narrative problems that you’re complaining in this latter part of the story already happened before in the early part (S1). So, by your standard, IBO is already doomed earlier in the story, and not just starting from this S2. So, why making so much fuss now? If I may guess, that’s because you don’t like the direction where the story is going and because the characters that you care about received less treatment than what you think they deserve. Not liking the direction of a show and coming out to say it is cool, I’ve been there myself. But claiming the show being a trainwreck in later part for things that’s already happened way earlier (idiot ball, plot armor, nerfing, etc) is just wrong. It’d be better if you just said that IBO didn’t work for you since Season 1. Quote:
@Skaddix I read your post before mod edited it due to personal attack against me. I’m only interested in doing this discussion when the participants are civil. Your replies are starting to sound like the rude comments in Youtube, Gamefaq & 4Chan. I have no interest in replying it until you're committed to be civil. But some of my reply to tdx may overlap with your questions, so there’s that.
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2017-03-22, 12:45 | Link #1089 |
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The easy "path" would to have Mika die
at one point Mika faced a problem. What should he do after the war, since he can only fight? His bodily functions being impaired by Barbatos made that a non issue That was no longer a question he needed to address He was more comfortable being a tool of war. He was more comfortable just cutting the way open for Orga If he survived the last episode,, it would open new questions for him Then again, it does not seem that IBO will have any continuation, so it's a plot thread the writers won't have to worry regardless if he dies or not
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2017-03-22, 19:16 | Link #1092 |
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IMO it would be really hard to continue the show without Orga. Killing him off sounds one of those things you do when you're really winding things down considering how important he is not just as a character but to Tekkadan's operations.
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2017-03-22, 20:35 | Link #1093 |
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I suspect 'this is not the end' means 'there will be a tie-in film,' like there usually is with Gundam series.
Continuing without Orga isn't really sustainable for an entire series, but for a two hour film? Eh, it should be fine.
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I can tolerate hiccups up to a certain limit, everyone can, you included, that's why the term "suspension of disbelief" even exists, if we couldn't, there's no way we could ever enjoy any work of fiction, it would be just painful. There's nothing weird about it, it's perfectly normal. There are, however, limits - of time, of entropy (accumulation of such hiccups) and of their size, as I have already repeated more than a couple of times, and frankly, I'm starting to feel like a broken record because you're making me repeat this again and again, so this is the last time and I sincerely hope you'll get it this time, ok? In this case, all those limits have been reached and breached: there's no time anymore to improve, there are so many hiccups now, in the last arc in particular, that it's like the show is practically made of them, and their size has become so huge now that they have even ended up assassinating a few characters. There are no even ways that I can see or time left where the show can try and make up for the blunders, to make the viewer forget or at least forgive the past ones (again, take s1: the Brewers arc was not the best, but Dorts picked up and made up for it, so it was low-high dynamic; now it's unstoppable low-lower dynamic). All that combined is what constitutes a trainwreck in making to me, and I apply this approach to any show, not just this one. Quote:
I took it to simply mean that it's not the end for whoever of the characters survive, that they will live on, one way or another. I don't think Ogawa hinted at a sequel or anything like that. Unless they bust out the same asspull we saw in s1 finale, a sequel doesn't look viable as Orga was the one who mostly drove the plot, Mika, even if he survives, can't do it by himself. Also, last time I checked the ratings, they were pretty abysmal, so even less insentive for the producers to greenlight a sequel in any shape or form. |
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Suspension of disbelief is supposed to be consistent. Example: once you accept that Superman can fly early in his movie, you accept it all the way until the end of the story. Once you accept that Lex Luthor is fallible and a bit silly at the start of Superman movie, you accept it all the way till the end of the story with your suspension of disbelief. You can’t accept Luthor being fallible and silly early in the movie but then getting pissed off at the end of the movie after you watch too much of Luthor’s silliness and him being fallible. Due to your suspension of disbelief, you can complain about how the silliness was used, not the silliness itself.
Let me give you another example from my POV this time: So far, IBO still haven’t done character betrayal/assassination to that degree. Just characters making great mistakes. Mistakes that they are prone to do as already established earlier in the show. All of them still retain their original motivations, personality, pride and way of thinking to a considerable degree.
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2017-03-23, 06:55 | Link #1098 | |
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Also to keep an eye on Gjallerhorn Mars Branch as they will be important. In a separate interview, Mika's VA who at the time had just finished recording the last episode, also says that the ending does indeed have a hopeful ending and that he does find it has a different ending than most other Gundam series that have come before, or at least that's his opinion.
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I found interestingly that the bio for the 1/100 Bael is actually slightly different than that of the 1/144 Bael and you actually get more information in regards to Agnika, as well as McGillis.
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It turns out that Agnika didn't die in battle nor was he absorbed by Bael, from the way they frame it, it seems like he simply died of natural causes. Bael interestingly enough went to sleep after that and because of that, everyone assumes that Agnika's spirit is in Bael. And thus Bael became deified within Gjallarhorn. Also, it seems that Agnika did indeed lead the Seven Stars but wasn't part of them. (they were more like the "merry men" to his "Robin Hood" or the better example being, they were his "Knights of the Round Table" to his "King Arthur") It was he who placed what was left of the world into the 4 economic blocs and founded Gjallarhorn to be supervisors over it. But fascinatingly, he himself decided not to lead Gjallarhorn but put the Seven Stars in charge of overseeing it. I wonder why that was? Was he just tired from all the fighting and wanted to retire? Anyway, it also states that McGillis found salvation in Agnika's teachings and his ideal is a world where people could live as humans. I find this interesting because of the fact that so many of the characters in the series are thought of as less that human, including McGillis, and most of Tekkadan and that it's become a running theme in the show with many a villain calling Tekkadan lower than humans, such as Jasley, Dawn Horizon, and of course many in Gjallerhorn itself. They also say that McGillis will contact the spirit of Agnika through the AV system. I'm not sure if this is supposed to be figuratively or if we'll actually see some form of Agnika at some point? But it will be interesting if they do.
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It's possible that he was so intergrated with Bael that he couldn't really be involved in the day to day as much. Enough to make big decisions like dividing the blocs but not enough travel everywhere for everything, thus delegating it to the other seven.
He had a Gundam without much gimmicks and yet was the best MA slayer by far so it seems more likely to me that he was far more intergrated than the others. This is especially given the info we know of his fighting style.
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