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SeaDoor · 2017-03-21, 18:01

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Originally Posted by kari-no-sugata II

btw... anyone wanna bet that the king is not actually ill? Could easily be a way to tempt the ringleaders to over-extend themselves...

It would be quite a twist if the King is the one behind the coup because he thinks his son is an idiot and has been watching over Jean and Lotte all these years. I could live with that kind of ending.

j4c06 · 2017-03-22, 05:11

So what does Lilium hope for? Jean is not an official pretender to the throne. So what if all the districts support Jean, this is not a matter decided by vote. To plant him as a new king, they would have to somehow oppose the old king, or wait till he resigns then claim the throne and possibly eliminate other pretenders, of which the "idiot prince" is not the only one. In both cases that would undermine future kings´ legitimity, and power balance would shift from the king to ACCA, not the Lilium family. There is a lot of work ahead (not to mention a lot of if´s) but Lilium seems to think everything is already in his pocket. Hmm... And whatever he has on Grossular, does it really help him? More like he made himself an enemy waiting to strike back.

I think in the end there will be no coup, precisely because there is so much talk about it, it serves as a smoke screen. The tension will get resolved in some other way.

PS. Also, Jean suddenly started behaving like he knows what he is doing. I wonder what that means.

Arya · 2017-03-22, 17:31

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Originally Posted by SeaDoor

Have no idea how they intend to wrap this up but I hope the resolution doesn't involve Jean being a hidden genius who has manipulated everything from the beginning. That would be cheap. Anyway, just please don't let anything bad happen to Lotte.

Well, not exactly a Lelouch kind of genius, but he is particularly smart, not exactly perceptive, but accurate to details or better to inconsistencies, beside Nino's. so I don't think he manipulated everything, rather since he got dragged into this plot with no way out, he took his time to put all the pieces together and now kinda finally got close to the full picture, or so it seems. So he will bend it in some ways. Maybe even betting on the king as a possible ace up in his sleeve. That could be a reason why he avoided to meet and report to Mauve.

Really can't see why Lilium thinks he could manipulate him so easily, unless he won't go for blackmailing him with Lotte, but that sounds not in line with this universe.

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Originally Posted by kari-no-sugata II

btw... anyone wanna bet that the king is not actually ill? Could easily be a way to tempt the ringleaders to over-extend themselves...

I'm also having the feeling that he is playing his game, he very likely put Jean in that same patisserie and he already kinda played the prince once. He may have been pulling his strings to pull things to happen when and where he wanted, as last thing even to spare the prince.

Anyways I agree on the secrecy about the coup, it's quite amusing how almost anyone knows about it and talks about it but the Dowa's

Instead it was odd how the one who was part of a district coup himself got so concerned about it when he learned about it (being most probably the only one who didn't already know due to his district disconnecting policies).

frodonk · 2017-03-26, 13:47

Coup might not be a the right word for it, more like a slow usurpation of the throne, for a lack of better word.

Coup kind of carries the connotation of a military uprising, but I doubt ACCA is military in nature, more like a police force with expanded powers, but definitely civilian.

As for how they'll wrap this up, I'll just hope for a proper ending, and I'm with you all wondering how they'll end this

Flower · 2017-03-28, 11:02

Ep 12 (end)

Excellent. Up to the last episode every step of the way has been interesting, engaging and well written. I loved the large character cast and the detials of all the districts, and the subdued and almost ... elegant ... story as a whole was enjoyable to the very end for me. Definitely my biggest surprise of the winter 2016-7 season.

I would give this series a 9/10.

HighGuard · 2017-03-28, 11:31

Wow, I did not see that ending coming. It ended in a great fashion and I'm really pleased with how it turned out. Though I have to wonder who Oulu was in the end? I thought he might be Abend but they look nothing alike even with the mustache and blond hair.

Before the season started I was back and forth on watching acca-13 and I must say I'm happy that I did. It's turned out to be a great surprise show.

Stark700 · 2017-03-28, 11:59

I've seen and read some of Ono Natsume's works before. This one was overall interesting as the conclusion imo was fitting after all the buildup and moments that led to the end. Peace is ensured now that the coup is averted and tbh, I'm not surprised at all. I wish I could get invested more into Jean's character though but he stood out as more of a middle ground character to me in the end.

Overall, it was a nice show. Pacing is really slow at first but I accepted it and the more I did, the more I found myself enjoying this. Given the unique animation style and soundtrack (one of the best of this season imo), it's definitely worth checking out.

Anyone remember when the OST comes out? I might get it.

frodonk · 2017-03-28, 12:17

Turns out his rescue of Lotta from the agents of the first princess inside that car wasn't a coincidence after all.

One of the best this season indeed, and ACCA's OP will still be stuck in my head for a few weeks more

If only more series had a coherent plot like this!

Nachtwandler · 2017-03-28, 12:48

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Originally Posted by HighGuard

Wow, I did not see that ending coming. It ended in a great fashion and I'm really pleased with how it turned out. Though I have to wonder who Oulu was in the end? I thought he might be Abend but they look nothing alike even with the mustache and blond hair.

Before the season started I was back and forth on watching acca-13 and I must say I'm happy that I did. It's turned out to be a great surprise show.

And I am sure that he is Abend. In the last scene he clearlty mentioned that it is to much bother to die his hair but he have to.

BPD Renegade · 2017-03-28, 13:35

I'm kind of impressed. I was wondering how they could possibly wrap everything up in one episode, but they actually managed to do it and with a neat little bow at that. Once the coup fizzled out, all that background tension deflated along with it, and the show coasted to the end from there, wrapping up all its subplots and unanswered questions along the way. Furawau's secession even provides a possibility for a sequel if the series so chooses.

By the way, I heard mention that the anime deviated from the manga at a certain point. Is this true? I recall the House of Five Leaves adaptation also needing a read of the manga to get the "true" ending.

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Originally Posted by HighGuard

Wow, I did not see that ending coming. It ended in a great fashion and I'm really pleased with how it turned out. Though I have to wonder who Oulu was in the end? I thought he might be Abend but they look nothing alike even with the mustache and blond hair.

The flashbacks never showed us his face, but if you take a close look at the photo at the end of this episode which does show it, you can slightly see the same weird eyes.

Yamada II · 2017-03-28, 14:27

Episode 12

So two people fooled the whole of ACCA. I was expecting Jean to pull a fast one on Lilium. I had doubts that Jean would want to become Lilium's puppet or even king for that matter. Did not expect him to plan out everything with Mauve and brilliantly foil Furawau's plans to replace Dowa. That was brilliant. Mauve never did want a coup so now thinking back, it was suspicious how easily she came on board the coup ship. In the end, Jean won. ACCA will be preserved, order will be maintained, and Jean will get to live the life he always has been. And now the Dubai of ACCA has separated itself from the kingdom but the desert land found resources so there's not going to be a problem. I did not expect Abend to be the inspection department chief. He was pushing Jean everywhere to bring things towards a coup since no one wanted Schwann to become king because he's stupid.

Overall, I liked this series quite a lot. The best thing here (apart from that glorious OP) was the world here. Each episode had a different district with each one being drastically different from the other. The background art was sugoi. It lacked a bit in animations because there weren't many opportunities for sakuga moments except for some isolated character acting scenes. Each district was interesting in its own way.

Nothing much happened in the episodes, but there was this feeling that something big is going on in the background. The first seven or so episodes were basically setting things up and they were doing it quite slowly to the point that each episode was basically uneventful. But then they started to kick into gear once the revelations started which made this much more interesting. And then that unexpected ending sealed the deal. Really loved this show.

Pen3 · 2017-03-28, 14:33

That was really unexpected because i saw an ending without a coup would be boring. Somehow they managed it pretty well and i am satisfied. Lotta is still very sharp to figure out who was behind her rescue.

Dop · 2017-03-28, 14:40

That was excellent, maybe a little rushed, and while I never expected Jean to claim the throne, because it wasn't in his character, I really didn't expect such a wonderful double-bluff that played out really well and made good sense .

One of my favourites this season, I had no idea what to expect from it (while I'd liked 'House of Five Leaves', I'd not liked 'Ristorante Paradiso' so was 50:50) and I enjoyed the different districts' diversity and the way the show slowly pulled the threads together over each episode.

We really need more quirky thrillers in this vein, I think,

Wandering Soul · 2017-03-28, 14:48

I was concerned over whether or not they could give this a satisfying ending with just one episode left, but it turns out that my worries were unfounded. We were never shown Jean's inner thoughts, so I was sure he had something up his sleeve the entire time, I didn't expect that though.

I thought something was up with the way Oulu saved Lotta earlier, so it's nice to see that my suspicions actually did lead to something.

Anh_Minh · 2017-03-28, 15:17

The politics of that country really turn on a dime, don't they?

j4c06 · 2017-03-28, 16:05

Ha ha, that moustache is the red herring of the season.

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

The politics of that country really turn on a dime, don't they?

Depends on what you call politics. The royal part of it turned out to be very stable, planned in advance, and at the same time healthy, because it allows for individual initiative and peaceful adjustment.

Kanon · 2017-03-28, 16:34

I was wondering last week how the last episode could live up to all that build up, and the answer turned out to be: it couldn't. The show was well written and everything fit together in the end, I'll give it that, but the ending feels so anti-climactic. That everybody got to live happily ever after, even the first princess who tried to have her nephews killed, felt weird. I never understood what the Lilium family expected to gain from the coup as well. I don't see how Jean being king would have benefited them, unless they thought he could be easily manipulated, but I have no idea why they'd think that.

j4c06 · 2017-03-28, 17:01

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Originally Posted by Kanon

I never understood what the Lilium family expected to gain from the coup as well. I don't see how Jean being king would have benefited them, unless they thought he could be easily manipulated, but I have no idea why they'd think that.

Exactly!

But maybe that was done on purpose, to present them as outsiders with foreign mentality, manipulators too smart for their own good etc. Still this doesn't explain why Grossular would put up with Lilium till the very end.

Kismet-chan · 2017-03-28, 18:50

I'm surprised by how neatly everything was wrapped up. I'm quite pleased, in fact.

But, man. The SHOCKER for me was that reveal on Abend at the end. Just... The thought of him purposely waiting in the wings, watching and planning for YEARS, content to be alone whilst doing whatever he could to protect both his nation and the children of the woman I'm fairly certain he loved?

He was the true MVP.

Pen3 · 2017-03-28, 19:52

I wouldn't be surprised if Abend isn't married or in a relationship since he is just too loyal to the princess.

2017-03-22, 05:11	Link #162
j4c06 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011	So what does Lilium hope for? Jean is not an official pretender to the throne. So what if all the districts support Jean, this is not a matter decided by vote. To plant him as a new king, they would have to somehow oppose the old king, or wait till he resigns then claim the throne and possibly eliminate other pretenders, of which the "idiot prince" is not the only one. In both cases that would undermine future kings´ legitimity, and power balance would shift from the king to ACCA, not the Lilium family. There is a lot of work ahead (not to mention a lot of if´s) but Lilium seems to think everything is already in his pocket. Hmm... And whatever he has on Grossular, does it really help him? More like he made himself an enemy waiting to strike back. I think in the end there will be no coup, precisely because there is so much talk about it, it serves as a smoke screen. The tension will get resolved in some other way. PS. Also, Jean suddenly started behaving like he knows what he is doing. I wonder what that means. Last edited by j4c06; 2017-03-22 at 05:54. Reason: PS

2017-03-26, 13:47	Link #164
frodonk Master of Killing Time Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Makinohara Service Area	Coup might not be a the right word for it, more like a slow usurpation of the throne, for a lack of better word. Coup kind of carries the connotation of a military uprising, but I doubt ACCA is military in nature, more like a police force with expanded powers, but definitely civilian. As for how they'll wrap this up, I'll just hope for a proper ending, and I'm with you all wondering how they'll end this __________________ Just my MAL profile, I'm putting this here for no particular reason.

2017-03-28, 11:02	Link #165
Flower Blooming on the mountain Join Date: May 2010 Location: Deep in their roots, all flowers keep the light....	Ep 12 (end) Excellent. Up to the last episode every step of the way has been interesting, engaging and well written. I loved the large character cast and the detials of all the districts, and the subdued and almost ... elegant ... story as a whole was enjoyable to the very end for me. Definitely my biggest surprise of the winter 2016-7 season. I would give this series a 9/10. __________________

2017-03-28, 11:31	Link #166
HighGuard Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007	Wow, I did not see that ending coming. It ended in a great fashion and I'm really pleased with how it turned out. Though I have to wonder who Oulu was in the end? I thought he might be Abend but they look nothing alike even with the mustache and blond hair. Before the season started I was back and forth on watching acca-13 and I must say I'm happy that I did. It's turned out to be a great surprise show. __________________ To think that Moi would be called useless by you, who can only be used once a day. Even Moi did not foresee such a development.”

2017-03-28, 11:59	Link #167
Stark700 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Somewhere on Earth	I've seen and read some of Ono Natsume's works before. This one was overall interesting as the conclusion imo was fitting after all the buildup and moments that led to the end. Peace is ensured now that the coup is averted and tbh, I'm not surprised at all. I wish I could get invested more into Jean's character though but he stood out as more of a middle ground character to me in the end. Overall, it was a nice show. Pacing is really slow at first but I accepted it and the more I did, the more I found myself enjoying this. Given the unique animation style and soundtrack (one of the best of this season imo), it's definitely worth checking out. Anyone remember when the OST comes out? I might get it. __________________

2017-03-28, 12:17	Link #168
frodonk Master of Killing Time Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Makinohara Service Area	Turns out his rescue of Lotta from the agents of the first princess inside that car wasn't a coincidence after all. One of the best this season indeed, and ACCA's OP will still be stuck in my head for a few weeks more If only more series had a coherent plot like this! __________________ Just my MAL profile, I'm putting this here for no particular reason.

2017-03-28, 14:27	Link #171
Yamada II Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Pakistan Age: 28	Episode 12 So two people fooled the whole of ACCA. I was expecting Jean to pull a fast one on Lilium. I had doubts that Jean would want to become Lilium's puppet or even king for that matter. Did not expect him to plan out everything with Mauve and brilliantly foil Furawau's plans to replace Dowa. That was brilliant. Mauve never did want a coup so now thinking back, it was suspicious how easily she came on board the coup ship. In the end, Jean won. ACCA will be preserved, order will be maintained, and Jean will get to live the life he always has been. And now the Dubai of ACCA has separated itself from the kingdom but the desert land found resources so there's not going to be a problem. I did not expect Abend to be the inspection department chief. He was pushing Jean everywhere to bring things towards a coup since no one wanted Schwann to become king because he's stupid. Overall, I liked this series quite a lot. The best thing here (apart from that glorious OP) was the world here. Each episode had a different district with each one being drastically different from the other. The background art was sugoi. It lacked a bit in animations because there weren't many opportunities for sakuga moments except for some isolated character acting scenes. Each district was interesting in its own way. Nothing much happened in the episodes, but there was this feeling that something big is going on in the background. The first seven or so episodes were basically setting things up and they were doing it quite slowly to the point that each episode was basically uneventful. But then they started to kick into gear once the revelations started which made this much more interesting. And then that unexpected ending sealed the deal. Really loved this show.

2017-03-28, 14:33	Link #172
Pen3 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	That was really unexpected because i saw an ending without a coup would be boring. Somehow they managed it pretty well and i am satisfied. Lotta is still very sharp to figure out who was behind her rescue.

2017-03-28, 14:40	Link #173
Dop Mmmm.... Join Date: Sep 2006	That was excellent, maybe a little rushed, and while I never expected Jean to claim the throne, because it wasn't in his character, I really didn't expect such a wonderful double-bluff that played out really well and made good sense . One of my favourites this season, I had no idea what to expect from it (while I'd liked 'House of Five Leaves', I'd not liked 'Ristorante Paradiso' so was 50:50) and I enjoyed the different districts' diversity and the way the show slowly pulled the threads together over each episode. We really need more quirky thrillers in this vein, I think,

2017-03-28, 14:48	Link #174
Wandering Soul Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: America	I was concerned over whether or not they could give this a satisfying ending with just one episode left, but it turns out that my worries were unfounded. We were never shown Jean's inner thoughts, so I was sure he had something up his sleeve the entire time, I didn't expect that though. I thought something was up with the way Oulu saved Lotta earlier, so it's nice to see that my suspicions actually did lead to something. __________________

2017-03-28, 15:17	Link #175
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	The politics of that country really turn on a dime, don't they?

2017-03-28, 16:34	Link #177
Kanon Kana Hanazawa ♥ Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: France Age: 37	I was wondering last week how the last episode could live up to all that build up, and the answer turned out to be: it couldn't. The show was well written and everything fit together in the end, I'll give it that, but the ending feels so anti-climactic. That everybody got to live happily ever after, even the first princess who tried to have her nephews killed, felt weird. I never understood what the Lilium family expected to gain from the coup as well. I don't see how Jean being king would have benefited them, unless they thought he could be easily manipulated, but I have no idea why they'd think that. __________________

2017-03-28, 18:50	Link #179
Kismet-chan The Chaotic Dreamer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In a cruel yet beautiful world Age: 32	I'm surprised by how neatly everything was wrapped up. I'm quite pleased, in fact. But, man. The SHOCKER for me was that reveal on Abend at the end. Just... The thought of him purposely waiting in the wings, watching and planning for YEARS, content to be alone whilst doing whatever he could to protect both his nation and the children of the woman I'm fairly certain he loved? He was the true MVP. __________________

2017-03-28, 19:52	Link #180
Pen3 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007	I wouldn't be surprised if Abend isn't married or in a relationship since he is just too loyal to the princess.