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While i might want a more faithful adaption, i would not be quick to celebrate this film failing... Hollywood tends to be run by idiots who don't seem to understand WHY films fail or succeed and tend to draw simpleminded conclusions. Likely producers will look at this and come to the simple minded conclusion that "anime films don't sell" and thus we won't get a chance at another film... heck those that will might try to make an adaption, might want to play it safe and offer less of a budget thus making it less likely that the next film will be great. If the film had succeeded in would atleast encourage those Hollywood producers that anime adaptions are worth exploring... though in that case the downside would be producers learning the wrong lessons about the success leading to a bunch of flawed films
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2017-04-03, 00:56 | Link #184 | |
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I've heard the new Beauty and the Beast does retell some of the original anime film parts better. Perhaps it's worth checking out. |
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I'm surprised they haven't approached a Naruto movie. It's practically giftwrapped for them.
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2017-04-03, 02:25 | Link #187 | |
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Hell, even Bleach could be Westernized without much sweat.
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2017-04-03, 10:35 | Link #188 |
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I actually saw Boss Baby and GitS the same night. I rather enjoyed Boss Baby, probably more than GitS, even if the underlying plot was silly for BB. But I agree that it's not surprising that even BB did better considering the type of movie it is.
I actually think GitS tried to hard to play homage to the over all franchise. While the bulk of the movie took from the first film, all the other pieces they threw in actually kept taking me out of the movie. However, I can imagine that if I knew nothing or very little about GitS I'd have enjoyed the movie more, since it really did look great, and the way they pieced together all the aspects from the different versions of GitS wasn't bad. I just couldn't completely immerse myself. The only things that really gave me pause were, they decided to give her a Japanese background, Aramaki being the only character speaking in a foreign language, they call her the Major although she has no military background.
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2017-04-03, 13:11 | Link #189 |
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the live action movie would have been better it just copy pasted everything from the anime movie. It wouldn't be original, but at least it would be more cohesive.
as it stands, it alienates its old fanbase and not Hollywood enough to have a broad appeal The unfortunate conclusion Hollywood will interpret from this however is "people don't like Japanimation" rather than "we screwed up"
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Which is a shame, because whatever you think of the movie, it's got a pretty solid claim to the title of "Best Hollywood Anime Adaptation" simply by dint of there actually being a discussion over whether it's any good or not, rather than just being universally panned, as usual. If that still doesn't allow it to make money, then how are you going to argue that any anime movie is ever going to make money?
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2017-04-04, 09:07 | Link #191 |
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I think the main problem with adapting anime is that producers are embarassed of the source material.
Similiar case with a superhero movies. They thought they're just silly cartoons for children, without realizing something clever can be done with it. Up until Tim Burton's Batman, which was the big success, but then everything had to resemble it, so we got crap like Steel, Daredevil or Catwoman. I think the same thing is occuring now. Hollywood must realize that manga/anime isn't made of just bad jokes and fanservice, but also charismatic characters and excellent stories. So I hope this transition point will occur here too. For superhero movies it was Iron Man and we still have to wait for a good adaptation of an anime. It's just sad they didn't manage to do that with GITS, because it was among the best choices to introduce manga/anime to Hollywood. |
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It seems hollywood is pathologically inclined to regularly make at least one slap-in-the-face adaptation of a beloved past story, and expect it to make money just because a corpse white mannequin with about as much acting skills as a mannequin is in the originally international role.
2008: Dragonball DEvolution 2010: the white airbender 2014: 46 Ronin and one completely unnecessary white slave lead 2016: old ugly feminist ghost-catchers 2017: spook in the egg.
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2017-04-04, 21:55 | Link #193 | |
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I think that being anime is.. inherently too foreign for mainstream US success? maybe this GitS should just have been something taking place within the GitS universe and drawing ideas from it? rather than whitewashing it When the public thinks of an anime movie it probably thinks of Mononoke Hime and even that was not a financial success or how about Pacific Rim. That's also as anime live action as you can get. Again a modest financial success that did much better across the globe. Yet at the same time, no adaptation has been truly faithful to its source... And no one seems daring enough to test that out yet Maybe... future anime adaptations movies just need to scale down on budget and expectations.? I am curious how the Netflix Deathnote ends up though. To me that has all the right ingredients for an easy adaptation success... but we'l see
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2017-04-05, 03:44 | Link #195 |
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Speaking of LA GITS' tanking at the box office, I think the actual problem is that the movie is a boring slog for the viewers due to poor direction and not-that-good writing. Don't forget, this is the director whose only credit being the Snow White and the Huntsman which would've been a gigantic chore to watch if not for the combination of Charlize Theron's scenery-chewing, Chris Hemsworth likable character and gorgeous visuals. And look at the writers: Ehren Kruger is the one responsible for the dreadful Bayformers sequels (all of them) and Jamie Moss being the one behind Street Kings which is rather bland. The only positive from the writing team is William Wheeler who wrote the screenplay of Queen of Katwe, but evidently, he couldn't do much to salvage the movie. An adaptation of GITS needed people with strong vision and serious film-making skills who know how to wow the current audience not just from visual aspect but also narrative. Arguably, America already has a decent adaptations of GITS which borrowed a lot of humanity-questioning and man-machine interface idea. It's called The Matrix.
In short, with a team this lackluster, this disappointing result can already be seen from a mile away whether the movie being an animanga adaptation or not. At the very least, the movie is still a visual feast and didn't go into "so bad it's torture"-territory like DBE was. Sadly enough, this LA GITS can still arguably be put amongst the most faithful LA adaptations of animanga out there.
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2017-04-06, 02:09 | Link #197 |
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Yep. Huntsman was mediocre and draggy especially since we are forced to watch Kristen Stewart's wooden acting almost the entire movie. Maybe she was still high after all that humping with the director .
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2017-04-08, 21:22 | Link #198 |
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It's finally out in Japan and China.
No surprise that the Japanese don't care about the racial controversy but they too agreed that the story is weak. Hideo Kojima's essay really sum up on what the movie really lacked. http://www.glixel.com/news/hideo-koj...-shell-w475805 Even the Chinese find it mediocre. Their movie review site, Douban, just rate 6.6. Too bad that China can't save this movie. |
2017-04-10, 10:26 | Link #199 |
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the movie debuted 3 in japanese rank, this something good which tell us which part of the movie problem is really the new mimimimi generation specially in western which now thanks to internet can spread they hate and now we are entering in another age of no freedom, because some whinning peoples think they are special and only what they like is good and anything else is crap and minorities now must boss the world and you can make things as you like and you must obey then.
really that white-washing, politically correct, Cultural appropriation and others crap things created in that generation are destroying things. i watched the movie and watched the anime and read the manga and i enjoyed it and i really feel specially western peoples must stop to act as if they are the owners of others peoples or the saviors of others races and don't speak for them, if you don't like fine but this don't means which others also must hate it, things are really getting worst and i can see things get worse in future.
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2017-04-10, 12:17 | Link #200 |
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I don't know, what you're trying to get at. But the number in which a movie debuts is no where as important as the amount of money it brings in on opening weekend. The movie debuted at number three in the US/Canada as well on it's opening weekend. Doesn't change the fact that it only brought in 19 million from NA and another 40-50 million worldwide (excluding China and Japan at the time) it's opening weekend. And yet the movie cost 110 million to make, not including whatever they spent on marketing and advertising. The numbers don't lie, that's considered a flop. Opening weekend numbers are very important, as it gives the company and anyone else invested in the movie an idea of what they're likely to make over all.
The anime community and or the people who might care about such things as whitewashing are just a small percentage of potential movie goers, and yet judging from the numbers no one else really bothered to go see the movie either at least in NA. And the people who did, didn't care for it. The visuals yes, the story not so much. Not to mention your point is moot because while the movie did end up doing better monetarily in China and Japan, as saya leviathan pointed out they also still gave it mediocre reviews when it came to it's story.
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