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If the staffs had written that Matsubara had to justify Selesia's power up because she'd be fighting a villain that was on God Level, what stopping the audience to sympathize and accept Selesia's power up? Also, stop using "haters didn't watch the show". Just because you're liking whatever was shoved, it didn't mean it was good or right.
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I liked Selesia but other than being shocked that she was killed off so easily, it wasn't like the shock of watching Magane's creator hanging from a noose. Quote:
I don't recall a lot of gnashing of teeth here when Magane committed those murders. To my mind they were much worse than Selesia and Alice's deaths. Even Hiroe didn't seem to make much of a deal out of them, nor has anyone tried to revise Magane's character.
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actually a lot of peoples accept it in anime/novel/manga market, that situation are pretty common a op villian appearing then a heroe getting a op powerup bs to defeat him because was the "last battle", this is pretty common for them.
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2017-09-12, 11:13 | Link #2528 | |
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And FYI, even Marvel realised the hatred is stupid. Because you know what is the official explanation for mutant hatred? A contagious bacteria that magically made all humans irrationally hate mutants. This is OFFICIAL. http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Sublime_(Earth-616) Basically, the Mutants were a major threat to Sublime's existance, so the entire human population is manipulated into irrational desire to kill mutants.
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2017-09-12, 11:18 | Link #2529 | ||
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Now you're just pretending not to be able to accept because you want the imaginary audience not to accept like you too. Quote:
What was represented by the show was specifically contrived just so that the heroes won't be able to defeat Altair. Why should I accept that?
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2017-09-12, 11:25 | Link #2530 |
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For one thing, Altair is not the protagonist of this series. The staff can say it all they want; it's not true. The most basic rule of storytelling is that the "shujinkou", the term the anime keeps using, or protagonist is the one who the story follows. They don't have to be the very center of events but are eventually drawn into them, and we follow them as they go through them. Ash from Pokemon is the definitive protagonist of his series, but he's a vanilla protagonist. He's meant to draw the audiences attention more to his surroundings and people he meets on his journey. There's also the protagonist who faces tribulations and grows in order to defeat the main antagonist. There's also stories that have multiple protagonist that share significant focus over the story's main events.
We never follow Altair as she summons these characters from other stories and how she came into contact with them. We only get glimpses of what she was doing throughout the entire series until near the end. The last few episodes is the most we've seen her than all other appearances combined. I think the subs really failed to get across the term "shujinkou"'s meaning. It doesn't mean "hero" or "main character". There can be many main characters, but usually only one "protagonist", but there are exceptions as I mentioned above. The series itself didn't understand what comprises a protagonist, because while they can be the "center" of the events, it didn't follow the key aspect in that they are also the ones we follow throughout the story.
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It's not simply a matter of the amount of content written either, but the time elapsed. 6 months is a short time for an audience to familiarize themselves with anything. Quote:
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You sure you were paying attention? Why wouldn't the content of ECF was not to defeat Altair? Because Hiroe said so? And if the series wasn't about defeating Altair, why did the heroes even bother trying to fight, right? Because I'm not liking this terrible canon that I'm criticizing. Stupid canon should not be accepted in the first place.
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To justify the kind of powerup you would want them to give her, she'd need to be a prominent villain for way longer than that. Quote:
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2017-09-12, 12:14 | Link #2534 | |
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And of course I got to dislike it. When you don't like something, you wished it would've happened in different ways. Why it didn't happen in different ways? Because Altair is Hiroe's favorite that he won't be able to kill.
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you stil don't give me a explanation for that.
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In order to justify giving a hero a huge power up that would literally wreck the power scaling in their universe, you need a villain that has been sufficiently developed, like an Aizen, who was around for years before Ichigo got the power-up to beat him. 1 or 2 novels written in 6 months is simply not enough time to build up Altair as a villain deserving of that kind of power-up to defeat. Quote:
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The audiences knew Altair earlier than ECF, from the Pixiv. And if you're going to use Bleach for example, how many years did it take for Goku on planet Nameck to become super saiya when he faced Freeza? Events in UC Novels only happened for weeks but people didn' have problem with Newtype Hax whenever the plot demanded it. I'm sure there are lores from each of the heroes' stories that can be used to power up them to equal Altair.
Hiroe just stopped being creative for the side characters because the story was not about defeating Altair, right? Poor heroes.
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I trust you can tell the difference between that and a couple of novels belted out in 6 months. Quote:
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From what I can conclude, Hiroe-sensei may have either royally screwed up on those matters or chosen to do so on purpose for a number of reasons (either good and/or bad). Without the author's input, it's difficult to reach a proper understanding.
Let us not forget that Miss OP Altair was capable of dispelling all kinds of Power-Ups, making the Creations regress to their base settings. She did so with Hikayu, for a better example. She was so OP that any nice strategy against her ended up failing, even that double of her that was brought up. I, for one, can also say I was VERY pissed off at the fact the fictional audiences were so drawn-in to Altair's charisma while she was curbstomping everyone and making that piss-hateful mug on her face. I just wanted someone to wipe that damn mug off her face. I'm also the kind who doesn't get awed by charismatic antagonists. I can't stop seeing them as entities who have to be stopped at all costs. |
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