2017-07-23, 01:19 | Link #62 |
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Ditto for me. I really miss the cyberpunk, sci-fi, and fantasy themed stuff from the late 80's through the early 2k's. Much of it was junk, admittedly, but it was an addicting recipe: one part genre of interest, two parts Japanese cultural magic. I'm not so much a fan of how things have turned out since 2008, unfortunately. Nostalgia is a bitch.
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2017-10-27, 09:42 | Link #63 | |
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And really, if this isn't awesome, then what is? I definitely need to rewatch that show and I never expected to say this about an anime with 195+2 TV episodes, 11 OVA episodes and 6 movies.
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2017-10-27, 12:43 | Link #65 | |||
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If those are meant to be an argument, this is my answer: the old anime that I mostly meant in the post that you quoted are from the 80s & 90s (as I clearly wrote there). So why are you arguing my comments by asking me to mention anime from the 30s and older than 70s? (which clearly wasn't my point) Also, I'm sure the 30s Japan didn't have anime. Anime haven't even been born yet at that time IIRC. There were animated shorts in 1910s-1930s but a real anime didn't really exist before the 40s AFAIK. As for whether a show "sucks" or not, that really depends on the audience, but you can't deny achievements. If those comment of yours are genuine questions, this is my answer: my taste clearly doesn't speak for everyone's but I'll just to throw it here: I do like Space Battleship Yamato (1974-onwards) and Tetsuwan Atom (1963). In some cases, I'd rather rewatch them than rewatch some post-2000s sci-fi mecha anime that didn't know what they wanted to be (or do) and ended up being a big pile of mess (eg. Captain Earth, E7 AO, Valvrave, Nobunaga the Fool, etc). And those two oldies are indeed classics and their achievements can't be denied. Oh, and there's also the fun super robot anime like Gaiking (1976) and Getter Robo (1974) as I've never really into Mazinger. Spoiler for saving space:
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Cool, but that doesn't really go against my comments that there are many great old anime out there. I more or less agree on that part.
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2017-10-27, 14:35 | Link #66 |
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I've been specific with 1977 for a reason. ; ) I mean, there always is Cutey Honey (1973) and some others, but they just ain't what they used to be. Though, that OP is still awesome to watch. @Obelisk ze Tormentor My point is that if you go far enough back, stuff just sucks. Eventually the question if you can even still consider it "anime" comes up. But that line is on the move. Personally, I don't consider stuff from before the Eighties to be real anime. I, of course, know the titles you listed, so my question was both genuine and insincere. Genuine, because I am indeed interested, but insincere since I know most of the stuff of that time and think it all sucks. Lots of them have great first episodes, but then they go nowhere. This topic is kind of ambiguous with the "old shows" and all that. I was just outlining that the sentiment "old anime suck" is eventually true. Also, I can't help but feel amused that people praise old stuff as "achievements" and "influence", but never with entertainment value, as if they knew it actually sucked. I recently watched Dracula (1931) and noticed this trend among reviewers.
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2017-10-27, 15:44 | Link #67 |
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I watch and read older series all the time. I even prefer it that way because by that point all the episodes and OAVs and sequels and any other supplementary material will be out and ready to enjoy. No waiting weeks and months for the next installment. The only disadvantage is that all discussion will have dried up by that point.
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2017-10-27, 21:49 | Link #68 | ||
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Also, people praise old stuffs by mentioning and addressing their achievements is an effort to be a little more objective and factual rather than being entirely subjective.
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2017-10-28, 02:59 | Link #70 |
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As for the question, how far back? I'd say as far as the Osamu Tezuka works, namely King Leo, Princess Sapphire and Astro Boy. I watched all 3, and stuff that are old like Pinky Momo, UFO Grendizer, Judo Boy. I was a kid in the 80s, and french ppl older than me tell me that they were already importing anime back in the late 70s.
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2017-10-28, 04:48 | Link #71 |
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With old anime that generally suck and are only brought up for achievements etc. I still exclusively mean stuff from before 1977. Also, there's nothing objective in evaluating anime. They're only for entertainment and that's kind of subjective. Sure, we can acknowledge the achievements of some shows, but that doesn't mean we have to like them. But then, why watch them?
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2017-10-28, 06:54 | Link #72 | |
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The discussion in this thread is never meant to force newcomers to like old anime. Instead, part of the reason is to encourage newcomers to try old anime because a number of them are truly unique and genuinely good as well as potentially entertaining (depends on the audience), and as the OP mentioned, many of today's anime new fans don't even have the willingness to try older titles and that is what we're discussing in this thread. I myself recommended the standout titles from 80s & 90s in my posts. 60s & 70s are not really my forte but I do like some titles from those eras.
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2017-10-28, 07:06 | Link #73 |
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The point is, if you want newcomers to watch it, it has to be good entertainment. If it isn't, everything else doesn't matter. And the further you go back in time, the less entertainment value there is. This means saying "old anime suck" holds true. What I'm arguing is that stuff from 2009 or 2001 or 1994 or 1983 isn't old and therefore doesn't suck.
Also, I think we shouldn't try too hard to make younger audiences like the stuff we liked at their age. After all, I didn't appreciate my forefathers doing this to me, making me read boring as fuck literary "masterpieces" in school. To the point where I nearly associated the words masterpiece and classic as something I should stay the hell away from.
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I suspect many of those viewers hold the same opinion about monochrome movies and would be repelled by Citizen Kane or the Seven Samurai. All of this makes sense to me, since the contemporary world seems much more attentive to style over substance in nearly every walk of life.
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2017-10-28, 09:07 | Link #77 |
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To be fair, I didn't watch much of seven years before I started with anime until I've basically watched most of the stuff inbetween. And since there's more anime coming out now then back then it will probably take newer fans just much longer than me to get to the point of watching what came before that. If they're not as dedicated, maybe they'll never get to this point, but that's fine.
I mean, it's not like older anime are actually better than the new stuff. Nostalgia aside, I mean. Just ask yourself which anime from the 1980/90/00s you discovered this year that was better than anything you'd ever seen before. Or maybe just as good or only slightly worse. I can point to shows from 2017 and 2016 that where awesome, but it's been a long fucking time since I found something older that was just as awesome.
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2017-10-28, 10:02 | Link #78 | |
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There's also the fact that we got newer anime that's either a sequel, remake or adaptation/re-adaptation of yesteryear manga/anime that is so 80s & 90s & 00s in aesthetic or narrative or both. For example, we have JoJo anime, Ushio to Tora anime, Parasite anime, new Legend of the Galactic Heroes anime, new Space Battleship Yamato anime, new Tetsuwan Atom, new Cyborg 009, new Cardcaptor Sakura, new Code Geass, new FLCL, new Patlabor, new Saiyuki, new Mazinger movie, new Captain Harlock movie, new Evangelion movies, Detective Conan & Lupin III that's just keep on going and even prequel anime series for Black Jack and Tetsuwan Atom. Again, that's a testament on how memorable, precious and good those properties are.
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