Masamune-kun no Revenge

[_Ninja_]

Originally Posted by devil_slayer

There no redeeming factor about Aki at all and even her whole character doesn't make sense to me

Aki's appeal, outside of her actual character which one may like or not, is that the injustice that's been done to her made her who she is. Also because it's that whole love that could have been but was broken has a chance to win in the end epic arc kind of thing. It inspires sympathy and the desire to save her and to see the best in her that has not been shaped by the past for which everyone involved feels guilty. And this will also be difficult to resolve without giving her the win in the end.

There is also a whole bunch of ironies almost whichever way you look. If Aki wins but Yoshino is also in love with Makabe, he gets his revenge on the one responsible even though he may not want that at all anymore. If Yoshino wins then Makabe's misdirected revenge will come to pass in a way more dramatic fashion than even he could have imagined. He would have left Aki for her own servant who also messed her up once before.

I have to admit I'm not a big fan of the writing but this point in the story is some good potential drama. I always liked Yoshino. She is a sad character in her own right. Like her sister says she doesn't do anything for herself. It doesn't seem like she is ever going to have a life of her own outside of being the servant. Her being Makabe's partner in crime and potentially claiming his heart during their time together while simultaneously being the one truly responsible for his childhood trauma makes for a thrilling combination of conflicting emotions and a dramatic love story if it goes that way.


However Masamune is yet another thing that doesn't belong to her. By right, after what she did, he belongs with Aki, because that would undo the injustice and alleviate her guilt. The alternative is not only abandoning the redemption she's been working towards but something ultimately very cruel. So Yoshino has a real dilemma on her hands.

If the author is going for the Master and Piggy ending (the idea I quiet like) he has to solve the Aki problem. He has to resolve her character somehow by having her forgive what has happened and what will happen and not let her get the man for her troubles. For which you would need for everyone to confess. For Aki and Makabe to realize they don't really love each other for who they are now but for some image based on the past.

I don't know if he could navigate all that gracefully. I don't know if he would even try. By far the easier thing to do is let Aki win and play everything off as just Masamune's doubts and anxieties at committing to his relationship which are solved when he gets it together.

[dragon1412]

the more I read this discussion the more petty and narrow minded the MC seem

[RedWingFM]

There are too many main heroines in this world
Well yeah, author's opinions are different from ours, it was so many times that we don't remember, and every time some kind of sh*tty authors just write MC and his main heroine with "main heroine syndrome" and create a setting where they are bound to be together, no "another routes".
P.S. Yoshino must win, although lately she is closer to be a main heroine

[Haru00]

Masamune's a teenager, a lot of teens do dumb shit.

[wuhugm]

People seem to forget that the revenge book is in Aki's hand now

It's there so she can know about the revenge and "forgive" him

While also set free to Master who's supported her all this time

I'm giving another prophecy
Aki will be the one to dump Masamune
Masamune will bow his head and thank her, then go to Master
Aki silently shed tears while watching his back

This will come true

[RedWingFM]

Originally Posted by wuhugm

People seem to forget that the revenge book is in Aki's hand now

It's there so she can know about the revenge and "forgive" him

While also set free to Master who's supported her all this time

I'm giving another prophecy
Aki will be the one to dump Masamune
Masamune will bow his head and thank her, then go to Master
Aki silently shed tears while watching his back

This will come true

And trap guy (forgot his name) will be with Neko

[devil_slayer]

I mean you sure he don't want just to get between Yoshino's legs ? the whole thing is so sudden and he kinda got rejected lol

[Hujan]

Masamune : I think he love Aki in the past but feeling betrayed and rejected by "supposedly Aki" for calling him piggy and all. that drive him to change for the better (physically) so that he can revenge to Aki by make her love him, then dump her (or more precisely to make Aki feel what he felt when he is still child, and make her feel regretted for what she did in the past).

Aki : like Masamune in the past (IMO), tsundere (?!) Main heroine, fail to recognized Masamune in the present, "supposedly" rejected Masamune in the past (although turn out misunderstanding and she feel Masamune left her), dont know whether like Present Masamune or not (but still like like past Masamune). still dont know about misunderstanding

Yoshino : Masamune's master for revenge, Aki maid, can know that "he" is Masamune even after he changed, the one who rejected and calling Masamune pig (because of jealous of Masamune relationship with Aki), after Revelation Masamune doesnt hate, condemn or bear grudge to Yoshino but recalled his past feeling for Aki and going out with Aki

Neko : the first who met with Masamune (IIRC even before Aki), fat like Masamune, love past Masamune, change because of her love to Masamune, became slim in the present and know that "he" is Masamune even after he changed, love the present Masamune too.

confirmed that Neko is best girl but unfortunately best girl never win.

[devil_slayer]

Neko is just like Marika from Nisekoi, she desrve to win the most but nope muh main heroine should win

[Hujan]

Originally Posted by devil_slayer

Neko is just like Marika from Nisekoi, she desrve to win the most but nope muh main heroine should win

Now that you mention that Nishitkoi, I want to ranting now. Damn !?
and Yes, Neko just like Marika, they do everything for their love, but....

[SuperOniichan]

Originally Posted by _Ninja_

I don't know if he could navigate all that gracefully. I don't know if he would even try. By far the easier thing to do is let Aki win and play everything off as just Masamune's doubts and anxieties at committing to his relationship which are solved when he gets it together.

By the way, about the relationship between Yoshino and Aki, she ceased to treat her like a slave? For some reason it seems to me that the continuation of this or its change should be an important point in the story.

Originally Posted by Hujan

Now that you mention that Nishitkoi, I want to ranting now. Damn !?
and Yes, Neko just like Marika, they do everything for their love, but....

And do not remind me. I do not know why, but Japanese authors like to give a victory to the girl who is least well-written and least involved in the plot.

[devil_slayer]

^Because most main heroines are the authors self insert, Take Re:zero for example

There still series like Seakano where best girl won though

[Kuroageha]

Originally Posted by devil_slayer

^Because most main heroines are the authors self insert, Take Re:zero for example

There still series like Seakano where best girl won though

Eh?
Author has no self insert in Re:Zero, specially a girl.

Saekano is another main/titular heroine #283634 wins again.

[Hujan]

^devil slayer said Saekano "Best Girl" win. he didnt say, Saekano not cliché because main heroine didnt win. for devil slayer, Saekano best girl is Megumi, maybe your best girl is different that's why you said that? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

^^^maybe authors think they need to develop the main heroine rival so the rival can stand in the same ground, and give a false hope for the rival fans. unfortunately, they develop it better than main heroine.

take example Nis*koi, author give each heroine the same portion, but the result are Onodera dominating the popularity's poll. finally, author change the portion with Chitoge got more portion, and other heroines less portion. the result chitoge win popularity.

Spoiler for Nis*koi story comparison:

what worse is the ending, they betrayed the "title" and the "premise" of the story. the title is "false love" and the premise is "the key, promise in childhood and the word forever in love/Zawsze In Love". the story start with MC love Onodera, but the ending with chitoge, although the promise is with Onodera (had betrayed premise forever in love). maybe author intend to say that his love for Onodera is false, where his love for Chitoge is true, BUT IF there is a sequel or Nis*koi 2, where the story start with MC and Chitoge as couple, and appear new heroine, isnt it will become his love for Chitoge is the false one, and his love for the heroine is the true one? (betrayed the title).

in Masamune case, the title is "Masamune's Revenge" and the premise is "revenge to Aki by make her love him, then dump her" but turn out it is just misunderstanding, so the premise and title got (can be said) resolved (for now) before the series ending. so story wise, it is better than nis*koi, just hoping that the best girl win.

[Shinji103]

Actually Megumi is polled as number one among the entire Fantasia Bunko publication. (not entirely limited to main heroines)

For swimsuits at least. But I really doubt they’d vote that much for her if she wasn’t extremely popular to begin with. She even beat out the popular classic heroine, Lina Inverse!

[Kuroageha]

Originally Posted by Hujan

^devil slayer said Saekano "Best Girl" win. he didnt say, Saekano not cliché because main heroine didnt win. for devil slayer, Saekano best girl is Megumi, maybe your best girl is different that's why you said that? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

^^^maybe authors think they need to develop the main heroine rival so the rival can stand in the same ground, and give a false hope for the rival fans. unfortunately, they develop it better than main heroine.

take example Nis*koi, author give each heroine the same portion, but the result are Onodera dominating the popularity's poll. finally, author change the portion with Chitoge got more portion, and other heroines less portion. the result chitoge win popularity.

what worse is the ending, they betrayed the "title" and the "premise" of the story. the title is "false love" and the premise is "the key, promise in childhood and the word forever in love/Zawsze In Love". the story start with MC love Onodera, but the ending with chitoge, although the promise is with Onodera (had betrayed premise forever in love). maybe author intend to say that his love for Onodera is false, where his love for Chitoge is true, BUT IF there is a sequel or Nis*koi 2, where the story start with MC and Chitoge as couple, and appear new heroine, isnt it will become his love for Chitoge is the false one, and his love for the heroine is the true one? (betrayed the title).

There is a good rundown about Saekano in the novel subforum. Go take a look.

in Masamune case, the title is "Masamune's Revenge" and the premise is "revenge to Aki by make her love him, then dump her" but turn out it is just misunderstanding, so the premise and title got (can be said) resolved (for now) before the series ending. so story wise, it is better than nis*koi, just hoping that the best girl win.

Actually it's "Masamune, no Revenge" .
Difference is this isn't SJ where it will bait the naive part of the fans into believe the non main heroine has a chance which leads to the usual waifu wars between factions.

[Hujan]

Originally Posted by Kuroageha

There is a good rundown about Saekano in the novel subforum. Go take a look.

If you mean Saekano's Thread in animesuki, I had take a look and it is pretty toxic (IMO), because that just Magumi bashing, not discussing Saekano (mean: the opinion is subjective), like in You-zitsu where many just bashing and make fun of Horikita.

Actually it's "Masamune, no Revenge" .
Difference is this isn't SJ where it will bait the naive part of the fans into believe the non main heroine has a chance which leads to the usual waifu wars between factions.

I double read to understand your meaning. LOL.
Indeed it is "No Revenge" so it is not betrayed the premise although there is no revenge, because the title is in Engrish meaning not Japanese. LOL

beside it is not SJ, it is also Monthly, IF it is weekly maybe there will a little waifu war because the update will more often.

[wuhugm]

The revenge is neutralized coz Master already repented and did everything to fix their relationship

[AB079]

Originally Posted by Hujan

If you mean Saekano's Thread in animesuki, I had take a look and it is pretty toxic (IMO), because that just Magumi bashing, not discussing Saekano (mean: the opinion is subjective), like in You-zitsu where many just bashing and make fun of Horikita.

Then you have no idea what are you talking about or just live under a rock. On Saekano LN readers were mainly discussing about the problems of the LN itself, Maruto's writting and how those factors ruined half of the story, waifu wars and your "megumi bashing" exist on 4chan and in the mind of certain users that jumped into the bandwagon with no idea about what was going on.

Same goes for Youjitsu where even the Admin went there to clean up the shitposting and now is a peaceful place where people can discuss only about the LN. So you should try to get your info right before making assumptions.

Anyway enough of off-topic discussion. Honestly if Yoshino wins here it should be a good thing IMO, despite the fact that the author pushed Aki as the main girl for so long that it is hard to believe that something will change but Aki was most of the time a shitty heroine so that can be a factor too.

[Hujan]

^I think you must read my POST carefully, I said IMO (In My Opinion).
I read Saekano, and I dont had problem with LN itself and the story is not ruined (again it is based on my opinion and taste). and when I check the thread, I almost always found "megumi bashing" or at least bashing megumi with their own reason/assumption based on their opinion and taste.
and like you said there is certain users that jumped into the bandwagon with no idea about what was going on, and it mean THERE IS Megumi bashing right?
also, what do you mean by get your info right before making assumptions? because if by right it mean to read properly, then I read properly, just that maybe what we perceive from what we read is different although we read the same thing. that's why we get different assumption after getting the right info. is there a right or wrong?

Okay, enough off-topic.

Originally Posted by wuhugm

The revenge is neutralized coz Master already repented and did everything to fix their relationship

but Master still didn't explain the misunderstanding to Aki. If she explain it properly, then Aki will understand why there is revenge diary.