2017-11-04, 17:40 | Link #1322 | |
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They should get rid of super delegates in the democratic primary, but Hillary won the primary even without super delegates.... More pointless Bernie drama. He's leading this party and the country to ruin. Trump is going to win the next election again because Bernie Democrats are working in cohort with Russian trolls and Breibart to smear the only people who actually get shit done in this party.
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2017-11-04, 20:45 | Link #1324 | |
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And as '' the only people who actually get shit done in this party'' (which I guess than you are talking about the Hilarry wing). the only shit they have done is selling out to big donors, moving the party more toward GOP's position and losing election.
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2017-11-04, 23:10 | Link #1325 | |
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Today's standout tweet for me was:
Would very much appreciate Saudi Arabia doing their IPO of Aramco with the New York Stock Exchange. Important to the United States!Wonder if Trump benefits in anyway if Aramco IPO happens in US. Quote:
This little provision is actually quite useful to make sure a similar version of Donald Trump doesn't get the nomination from the Democratic party.
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2017-11-05, 00:54 | Link #1326 | |||
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2017-11-05, 05:04 | Link #1327 | |||
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Democrats have a messaging problem and a lack of awareness of what caused so many middle America voters to flip from Obama to Trump. That's the good thing that Bernie initially revealed about this election, but Bernie lost the primary by a substantial vote total that nothing you guys keep picking at can explain away with. His backed candidates also continue to lose elections again supposed "corporate" democrats. Maybe you should understand that your vision for the country is not as popular as you might think in the Democratic voting base since it's a very coastal white liberal world view? Quote:
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Explain to me how Elizabeth Warren making an outrageous claim using Donna B's very unsubstantiated revisionist story that the DNC primary was "rigged" is at all helpful to our election challenges? It has never been the case, nor will it ever be the case that party insiders will have no vested interest in the future or direction of a political party. That is not abnormal and we should not act like it is abnormal. Republican insiders didn't want Trump either. He just happened to win because they could not get together behind any particular candidate to oppose him in a unified manner, yet we don't all our time talking about that since he won! Stop making excuses for Bernie's loss. That substantial vote difference was caused by more than just sympathetic Clinton staffers at the DNC. -------- But anyhow, the distraction here is successful for Trump because guess what? Donna B and the Berniecrats are getting exactly what they wanted as illustrated in this thread which is more dumb controversy and whining instead of an actual focus on objectives the party can come together on and support. Bernie has already significantly shifted a lot of DNC positions to more extreme positions (Many who don't appeal to regular Democrat voters like me mind you). Everyday you guys sound increasingly like Bannonites who are out to destroy the party establishment.
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2017-11-05, 06:16 | Link #1328 | |
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It more than sad than the Democrate fight harder against progressist than republican.
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In fact, your rhetoric is basically the same as a manic Trump supporter.
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Also, you, a Clinton cronie, caused it to be an argument, not Bernie supporters. Quote:
Sorry, but no. If the positions are shifting, that means they see it as being better for both the party and the country. Weren't you literally JUST saying that party insiders have vested interests to not screw things up for the party? I mean, if you want the DNC to split into two parties so those who want more than "Barely Right Wing" and "Extreme Zealot Right Wing" can vote for what they actually want, go right ahead and just say it. But you know that would just give the country to republicans for the foreseeable future and actually destroy the country. So instead of trying to force people who want something better to fall in line, how about you accept that compromise will be required? And part of that compromise is accepting that your favorite girl wasn't actually the goddess you seem to think she is. Let's not get carried away now. |
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2017-11-05, 13:30 | Link #1330 |
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I think I underestimated how far the grievances of Hillary's supporters would go in so far as her not winning the election. Truthfully, political affiliation is irrelevant so long as medicare for all, a living wage, terminating America's illegal wars, implementing the Green New Deal, and other necessary policies are passed. Perhaps someone could massage the question of how the bridge has yet to cross this water while some of these populist ideas accumulate momentum
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2017-11-05, 14:56 | Link #1331 | |
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Policy matters little if the Democrats are not able to function in this new media environment, aside from attacks from foreign adversaries such as Russia. Clinton is an easy target for progressives because of the baggage she carries but the same challenges she faced during the election (i.e. breaking through the media circus of Trump, honing a political message that can rally the base sufficiently with simple clarity, dealing with the vast right wing propaganda network, etc.) are going to be faced by any Democratic candidate going forward.
We have an election for example in Virginia where the Republican candidate is essentially broadcasting commercials that Northam somehow is supporting MS-13 with some scare mongering, fascist looking commercials. How do we as Democrats combat that? Quote:
Obama lost ground during his presidency because that's what happens to political parties in power. I'll also never understand Democrat's unwillingness to standby their landmark achievement in the ACA. We always fight on the battlefield set up by Republicans and it's infuriating.
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2017-11-05, 17:07 | Link #1332 |
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The fact the Democratic platform adopted most of the populist left policies is a token truth juxtaposed to Hillary's inaction on policy rhetoric. The post-Reagan Democrats have had a tendency to meet the Republicans halfway on economic policy as the latter kept shifting right, to the point where the ACA becomes an achievement for the previous administration despite originally being a right wing plan. Opposition is a necessary component of any democracy; the quandary is whether the policy one pushes starts distinct from contemporaries across the aisle or is already a diluted version of the opposition
The unique advantage of the populist left groups such as Justice Democrats and Brand New Congress is both the text on their platform and their speeches when given a platform. The absence of corporate money from special interests who are against certain policies psychologically frees candidates running on that platform to spearhead these provisos more liberally than a candidate who takes corporate donations. This is on top of policies that most Americans are in favor of
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2017-11-05, 18:49 | Link #1333 |
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Obviously there were was a failed political strategy, which is what I was talking about above if you bothered to read. Fact is though that this isn't just a Hillary problem, it's a Democratic problem. If Sander's message was so amazing he would have won the primary.
Furthermore, not a single time has Bernie or any other person been able to give a good example of how Hillary's donor interests impacted a policy decision for her.
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2017-11-05, 20:18 | Link #1335 |
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You guys were so busy blaming each other that you forgot to come up with actual ideas for a solution. It has been almost a full year since Trump got inaugurated and goddamn Bernie and Hillary supporters are STILL arguing which side to blame. Keep it up and by the time you finally sit together to discuss actual steps Trump will be on the doorstep of ruining the US for another four years.
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2017-11-05, 21:12 | Link #1336 | |
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I'm a big fan of the Pod Save America Podcast (formally known as Keeping it 1600 with the Obama alumns), and their answer seems to be to build a media empire for the left to counter the right wing media because mainstream media really isn't liberal or helping us out at all. So far it looks like they're doing a great job at galvanizing the left but we'll see. As for the Russia stuff, that will come down to the Mueller investigation and Republican agenda perhaps failing under the complete incompetency of the Trump administration. I'm not sure what the answer is to russian bots on twitter/facebook stirring up fake news and events that escalate conflict with the population.
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2017-11-05, 23:17 | Link #1337 |
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A year ago, I'd say economic anxiety was the main reason for Trump's election
It's a factor, but nowadays I'm sure that Trump is pretty much the same as his base. The only difference is he is overt about it and has trouble holding his tongue or his fingers Trump is not a Russian invention. His core is something native to the US Let's say you get rid of Trump somehow. The same base will elect someone like say, Richard Spencer |
2017-11-06, 01:08 | Link #1339 | |
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Donnie tweets in between his round of golf with Abe:
May God be w/ the people of Sutherland Springs, Texas. The FBI & law enforcement are on the scene. I am monitoring the situation from Japan.*sigh* Quote:
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