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Perfect 10 | 145 | 47.39% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 49 | 16.01% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 39 | 12.75% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 36 | 11.76% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 16 | 5.23% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 5 | 1.63% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 2 | 0.65% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 2 | 0.65% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 12 | 3.92% | |
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2017-11-19, 20:43 | Link #981 |
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Finished! Except for the movie, which promises to finally explain what the whole Jupiter thing was about. I'll save final comments on the series until I've watched it.
The jump from the end of the series to "We have a new president and everyone's happy-happy" was really sudden. I hope the movie will explain how things got to that stage. What happened to the rest of the Federation top brass, why did Homer kill himself, how come Katharon is on the council now, and so on. Did Kati have the clout to make all those changes by herself? If not, who were her backers and who was she talking to in the end? It seems like the world was getting on well enough and then the Gundams came and messed things up until the world unified, which led to even more people getting killed, which led to the Gundams killing even more people, but somehow everything worked out because Setsuna used miracle particles to make it work out. So did he keep using the particles until everyone on earth decided to work together to rebuild or what? Maybe the movie will explain. The final battle was suitably epic at first. I liked the design and coloring of Ribbons' Gundam, and he gave the 00 a run for its money. All was well until they both changed into near-identical mobile suits. And while I was trying to figure out who was who, the kids started singing and Marina started talking on top of that. At least that part was short. Patrick survived! And married Kati! That's great, I couldn't bear to lose him after losing both Tieria and Colonel Smirnov. And everyone else lived happily ever after, the end.
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2017-11-19, 21:06 | Link #982 | |
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The world was as peaceful as it was with three world superpowers playing a zer-sum game with plenty of smaller countries like Krugis suffering from civil war and other third world problems. CB's interventions never explicitly harmed civilians. The A-Laws murdered countless innocent people willy nilly and the innovators controlled everything while regular people lived their lives blissfully unaware like cattle. CB's war against the A-Laws again never directly harmed civilians. There was nothing "near identical" about 0 gundam and Exia. You saw the latter for the entirety of the first season. You know for a guy who presumably binge-watched this, your post indicates a disturbing lack of attention to detail.
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2017-11-19, 21:17 | Link #983 | |
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I knew the whole point of the final mission was to recover Veda and expose all the misdeeds of the Federation/A-LAWS. They only said it like 100 times. But it's strange to me how getting the truth out = it was A-LAWS that was bad, the Federation are the good guys! = Everything hunky-dory. Was it really that simple? A little public outrage is all it took to dismantle such a powerful organization and dislodge all the key persons in the Federation? And now everyone understands each other and wants to work together towards the future? Just like that? That's why I wanted to see the intermediate fallout, not just the results.
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And I'm still mystified at the ending - so now no smaller countries are suffering from civil war and all conflict has been wiped out? Because Katharon has been taken into the fold? Because the miracle particles made everyone understand each other? That's nice, but how exactly did it happen?
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2017-11-19, 21:23 | Link #984 | |
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2017-11-19, 21:39 | Link #985 |
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If Celestial Being has truly eliminated all conflict from the world with the removal of the Innovators and A-LAWS - notwithstanding the fact that fundamental human nature hasn't changed, the fact that humans have been killing each other for as long as humans have existed, and the fact that war isn't so easily gotten rid of and that even miracle particles aren't enough to get aggressors to back off permanently - then that's fine.
Otherwise they've left the world only a little better off than it was before they came, with relative peace everywhere and pockets of conflict and poverty. More prosperity, less war (possibly? unproven), but was it really worth the millions of lives lost and billions of damage in property caused by their direct and indirect actions? Celestial Being will now have to act as World Police stopping conflict every time it crops up, and according to Kati the Feds won't allow that. It's a setup for more conflict in the future (or a sequel hook that never came to pass). I'll watch the movie tomorrow and see if it convinces me any.
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2017-11-19, 21:56 | Link #986 | |
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2017-11-19, 23:02 | Link #987 | ||||
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Still, maybe I have to tell you that the Thrones, Alejandro Corner and the rebellion of the Innovades like Ribbons & co (which helped created A-LAWS) really put a damper to Aeolia’s original plan. You see, to be simple: his plan was basically meant so that the CB & Gundams’ action will result in the world being truly unified to fight a common enemy and boosting the world’s (military) technology to win the big war that will come. This “common enemy” that I said above is not CB or the Gundams, but “something” that you will see in the movie. The world must unite first in order to effectively fight the “thing”. If you’ve seen the Muv-Luv series, you’d understand how ineffective and chaotic the world can be when an “outside terror” invade the Earth when it’s still divided and nations keep on bickering with each other. Aeolia didn’t want that. But alas, Aeolia’s plan had to go through a lot of bumps in the road (most of them being treason from parties who were involved with his plan in the first place like Alejandro and Innovades like Ribbons) which considerably delayed and derailed his original plan. Now, even if the world’s is already united, it’s questionable if they can really face the incoming threat. Quote:
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2017-11-19, 23:15 | Link #988 |
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There's way to many replies for me to read them and reply to each point and not get a headache. @_@
In any case, Innovation of humanity is the series's answer to solving the war issues. Everything else including the combat interventions are a temporary measure until that phase is completed. But practically it can only be the last step as opposed to the first. That's why everything else like the dismantling of nuclear technology and weapons (part of the plan and executed before the anime time), creation of the solar elevators (infinite energy supply for prosperity but required the existence of the power blocs in Season 1). Season 1's intervention was basically to culminate and force the political will for the blocs to to unite under the Federation. The creation of the solar elevator was why the blocs were formed in the first place bec This is all a pre-requisite to third phase of the plan, which is deep space migration and contact with other intelligent being as Tieria mentioned in Episode 24.
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I'm not sure what Aeolia's plan for dealing with holdouts in this situation but Ribbons was very much about uniting the world under his feet to ensure unity during the Dialogues.
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2017-11-21, 05:17 | Link #993 | |
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Things like human greed, sin, ambition, lust, drug addictions, all those things can't be done away with just by talking. The show underestimates the ability of human beings to do evil. "Wow I understand you perfectly, and you're a really nice person... but I still want your money/wife/position/oil/lovely blue planet." What then? Setsuna himself killed lots of enemy pilots even with the magic particles in the air... Why not talk to them all, huh Setsuna? Is it because they're faceless grunts?
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2017-11-21, 05:39 | Link #994 |
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As far as "miracle particles solve everything," supplemental materials concerning events between the conflict in the movie and its epilogue show that's far from the case.
But that's a conversation best saved for the movie thread now that you're caught up.
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