[Anime] Episode 51: ...

[cyber_end_dragon]

what does everyone think of the last episode? i found it quite disappointing. to me it seems like there should be a couple more episodes or a whole other season.

[Neomang5]

There is a movie. It's called "Conqueror of Shambala" and it should be out in english sometime around october, last I heard.

[Akane]

All I hatfa say it left me hanging n poooooor Ed v.v

[ROYAI_FANGIRL]

Ok, so when you watch the battle, when Roy walked out before he fell, there were no clear or visible marks on his eye. When you watch the ending and the movie he had an eyepatch. Plus in the movie he said something about "Its all cost us something, for me, this eye."

Did anyone happen to catch what happened?

[ROYAI_FANGIRL]

Ok, so when you watch the battle, when Roy walked out before he fell, there were no clear or visible marks on his eye. When you watch the ending and the movie he had an eyepatch. Plus in the movie he said something about "Its all cost us something, for me, this eye."

Did anyone happen to catch what happened?

[Soka-chan]

Originally Posted by ROYAI_FANGIRL

Ok, so when you watch the battle, when Roy walked out before he fell, there were no clear or visible marks on his eye. When you watch the ending and the movie he had an eyepatch. Plus in the movie he said something about "Its all cost us something, for me, this eye."

Did anyone happen to catch what happened?

I think he wasn't injured in the fight, but in the crossfire between Archer and Riza...some poeple even say it was Riza the one that shoot him in the eye.

Anyway, I loved the end of the series, quite a tragic but cotidiane ending...it couldn't be more tragic, cause this series isn't about self-pity and complaining(and no matter what happens to Ed, he wouldn't cry or despair, and they have suffered enough)but it couldn't end on a happier note, cause what they're trying to accomplish has to take some retribution. So, I found it fitting.

[zoro#1]

this show rules

[silvery_anne]

Sorry if this is at the wrong place..

Btw, I just finished ep 51..and I still don't get why they didn't explain the reason after the alchemist saw the gate, the could do alchemy without drawing a circle anymore? And what is the "Truth" they're talking about?

[randomlyanonymous]

This isn't specifically about ep. 51, it's about the last few epsiodes.

I don't think what I'm going to say is a spoiler. THe thread is for people that have already seen ep. 51 so...

So who exactly is the "he" who feed and raised the humonculi (sp?)
I at first thought that it was Dante but it's a "he" the humonculi are referring to. Hohenheim? But he left Dante and Envy, that's why Dante raise the humonculi to help create the Philospher's shone. HOhenheim after creating the first humonculi ran away...so how could he have participating in creating more? He didn't want the philospher's stone anymore.

I don't think Dante and Hohenheim really fit for the ending. I didn't understand her explaination for using the philopher's stone to keep herself alive for centuries. She said that she was trying to protect foolish humans from abusing and destroying the stone...yet she was trying to create it! If she didin't try to create it adn the rumor was allowed to just die, then there would be no need to her to watch over "foolish humans" cause no one would attempt it. Plus people would only attempt it in extreme cases, extreme cases that Dante pushed the Humonculi to manipluate groups of people into. Did anyone understand her justification for all the tragedy she caused?

Those were just a few things I wanted to clear up. Thanks to anyone that will answer.

[randomlyanonymous]

Originally Posted by silvery_anne

Sorry if this is at the wrong place..

Btw, I just finished ep 51..and I still don't get why they didn't explain the reason after the alchemist saw the gate, the could do alchemy without drawing a circle anymore? And what is the "Truth" they're talking about?

I don't know if the movie would give you a better clue or not...
But, I think the "truth" ed refers to is the knowledge from the parallel world. Alchemists open the gate to the other world and receives special knowledge that even the alchemist themselves do not know exactly what that was passed through their mind but it gives them the ability to transmute without a circle. As explained, the people of the other world is what supply achemists with the energy to do a transmutation. The gate is within each person. The truth about the source of energy for alchemy I believe is revealed to those to open the gate, whether the achemists is aware of not. The first time the anime shows Ed remembering back to the gate, there was a series of pictures that flashed through his brain, information that Ed called the truth, I think there was pictures of our famous scientists in history and their theories (I don't recall specifically what).

Hoped that helped.

[onepiecelover]

I cant really say that I loved the ending, it was just too sad and unfulfiling. But thats the reason that people go watch the FMA alchemist movies.But I like FMA, a great series alltogether

[foolonthehill]

Alright....completely confused.

Just finished watching the series...and I'm sorry if these questions are 110% n00b and off base, but I'm just confused about so many different things. A million thanks to anyone who can answer them.

1. So Hohenheim was sent to our world by Dante right (at least in an indirect way)? How come the first time we see the real world (where Ed meets Hohenheim in London during WWII) Hohenheim is apparently well known - Churchill asks to see him, etc? Was he not just sent to that world recently by Dante? And if it was just someone who happens to look like Hohenheim, then why did he have Hohenheim's memories?

2. Why do we first see Hohenheim and Ed in London during WWII and then in Germany shortly after WWI....I'm very lost about this. From what I understand (which is not much) when Ed was about to die after getting crushed by the zeppelin, he crossed back over into the "Alchemy" world, but was forced to come back when ressurecting Al. But that doesnt explain why Hohenheim is in two different times and places in the real world.

3. This question I couldn't care less about - but what happened to Envy, Gluttony and Dante?

4. Getting back to the Alchemy world using a rocket...? Guess its up to Al to bring Ed back then hehe.

[charizardpal]

You know the quote at the end of the episode where he says, "In those days we thought that was the one and only law...etc." what does he actually say in Japanese ?

[Natsumeyashi Meiyo]

Originally Posted by foolonthehill

Alright....completely confused.

Just finished watching the series...and I'm sorry if these questions are 110% n00b and off base, but I'm just confused about so many different things. A million thanks to anyone who can answer them.

Don't worry. Your questions are perfectly normal

1. So Hohenheim was sent to our world by Dante right (at least in an indirect way)? How come the first time we see the real world (where Ed meets Hohenheim in London during WWII) Hohenheim is apparently well known - Churchill asks to see him, etc? Was he not just sent to that world recently by Dante? And if it was just someone who happens to look like Hohenheim, then why did he have Hohenheim's memories?

I think it's because both worlds are parallel to each other. Of every person in the Alchemy world there is a 'reflection' in the other world, and the other way around. The lives of those two people then would not differ much, for they are, in fact, the same.

2. Why do we first see Hohenheim and Ed in London during WWII and then in Germany shortly after WWI....I'm very lost about this. From what I understand (which is not much) when Ed was about to die after getting crushed by the zeppelin, he crossed back over into the "Alchemy" world, but was forced to come back when ressurecting Al. But that doesnt explain why Hohenheim is in two different times and places in the real world.

If I'm not mistaking, the first time it was WWI as well...

*checks it in episode guide*

Spoiler for Yep... episode 50:

As zeppelins rain bombs upon London during World War I, Edward and his father flee the city. As they watch the attack from a distance, Hohenheim explains that in this world, the other side of the Gate, the science of physics has developed instead of alchemy, and that Ed must open the smaller version of the Gate within himself in order to return to his true home. Meanwhile, with Hawkeye's help, Mustang sneaks into the Führer's mansion to confront him and avenge Hughes's death.

So WWI it is.

Spoiler for The movie clears it up as well:

The movie is set after the first World War and deals with the economic collapse of Germany. And the formation of the Nazi party. Which means that everything you've seen in the anime itself, happens during and post WWI.

And about Hohenheim being in two different times and places in the world. If you think about it, it makes perfect sense. Hohenheim doesnt have to die before the second world war begins, right? If you would go back in time now (nomatter which year), you're always there, younger or older, it doesn't matter. If (and then we stick to your WWI-WWII theory) Hohenheim would still be alive when the second World War starts, he would just be older, but Ed would still find him.

3. This question I couldn't care less about - but what happened to Envy, Gluttony and Dante?

You should really watch the movie, if you want that question answered :P

4. Getting back to the Alchemy world using a rocket...? Guess its up to Al to bring Ed back then hehe.

Not necessarily, but .... ditto answer to last question :P

Hope I helped you.

[ka1n]

Well, I just finished the series. Watched the whole thing via Netflix after my brother swore to me that it was so wonderful. I admit that I enjoyed the series, but I gotta say I just don't feel all that impressed by it. There were so many goofy things that happened. Characters are always going on pointless tirades -- blurting out the story just in case the viewer is too stupid/lazy to try to figure it out on their own. And seriously, did they really have to shove that equivalent exchange stuff down our throats like that? I understand it was the central theme of the series, but if I hear that damn phrase one more time I think I'll explode.

I only read the first 3 and the last pages of this thread. I heard a lot of people saying 'oh I really liked the ending blah blah blah', but I don't hear anyone talking about the underlying themes. What morals are they trying to get across? What are we supposed to have learned? What was the motivation of the villans? Are we really supposed to be satisfied with the idea that they merely wanted to live forever? Why did they want to live forever? And what about the homunculus? They had memories of their 'real selves'. So...do they have souls or not? The general concensus seems to be that they do not have souls...but then how do they have those memories? Also, supposedly the reason they can't perform alchemy is because they lack a soul (and thus the 'mini-gate' within), but then how can Wrath do it? He has Ed's limbs...so do the limbs have part of Ed's soul in them? Cmon people let's get into the deep stuff here!

Anyway, I'd like to reiterate that I enjoyed the series. I know, especially from my first paragraph, it might sound like I did not. It was a very enjoyable experience, but there were constant feelings of "oh gawd...wtf was that" along the way.

[WinterSerenade]

I cried at the ending

Spoiler for ep 51:

but I loved the ending and how they promised to see each other again

[Shiiy]

i think the ending is pretty sad, i hope ed be in that world

[johanath]

I'm sorry if this is posted in the wrong section, I couldn't find another approprpriate thread to ask the following question:

I've not yet watched this series. I am uncertain whether the English subbed or the dubbed version is better? Please give me your reasons! I'd be eternally grateful!!!

[Spectacular_Insanity]

Originally Posted by johanath

I'm sorry if this is posted in the wrong section, I couldn't find another approprpriate thread to ask the following question:

I've not yet watched this series. I am uncertain whether the English subbed or the dubbed version is better? Please give me your reasons! I'd be eternally grateful!!!

I've seen both, just for the heck of it, and I think they are equally good, which is rare for most anime. Usually, the japanese subbed version is better, but I personally liked the english voice actors for the series a whole lot, since i felt the english dub was very well done. It's a matter of personal choice, really.

[johanath]

Thank you for the reply! I had a quick browse through Youtube and thought the english voice actors weren't bad either - do you end up missing any 'Japanese jokes/puns', etc. through the english version that you'd normally expect through the Japanese ones?