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2018-05-28, 19:17 | Link #3463 |
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They can simply be both: scientists who also have connection to the ancient civilization (or vice versa, however you like it). It's that simple. I mean, why wasting time misleading audience for a twist about something trivial like that?
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2018-05-28, 19:23 | Link #3464 | |
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The odd part is having scientist own (and therefore decide who is going to be the CEO who in turn decides what will the company research budget will be spent on) the companies they work for. Case in point, Monsanto does a lot of research but I do not think that the shareholders are scientists themselves.
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2018-05-28, 21:11 | Link #3465 |
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It is rather standard for aliens, time travelers, or crosstime travelers to claim to be scientific geniuses to explain their access to higher tech levels. So if that is what they were doing they were doing it to fool the normal humans not the audience.
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2018-05-29, 00:27 | Link #3466 |
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The knowledge the APE group has demonstrated, in addition to their abhorrence of human proclivities such as procreation and emotion, imply to me that they themselves are not human. Additionally, an important observation is that though they are introduced as scientists in Franxx's monologue, he specifically notes that Noone knows their origins.
That they knew "where the queen was" suggests to me that they knew about the Klaxxosaurs in advance, and that mining magma would eventually antagonize them. While not a perfect show, I find it solid enough to enjoy with how its gone about its story. Animation-wise its beautiful, but its also sad that the current state of the anime industry requires two studios to collaborate to have what we are watching. We haven't had to deal with enormous long escalator pans, long elevator stills, watercolor backgrounds, or other things good shows had due to crunch and pressure. I also like that by not being yet another Light Novel adaptation, this has allowed the show to have a slightly different structure than a large percentage of other titles that have aired during recent memory. Also, not being Sunrise, this show doesn't suffer from having to beat you over the head with a horse about War Being Bad. It has its own messaging/themes, yes. But at least it isn't that one. I'm having fun with the show, and am happy its on the list of things I'm watching while waiting for Code Geass Resurrection later this year.
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2018-05-29, 00:30 | Link #3467 | ||
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2018-05-29, 00:41 | Link #3468 |
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Wouldn't the correct term would be discovered nuclear energy. People invented the atom bomb, they discovered nuclear energy. The difference being whether or not Magma energy existed before APE came along and started mining it.
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2018-05-29, 00:51 | Link #3469 |
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As a matter of fact, yes, mining/enriching yellow cake and making a nuclear reactor are separate things. As an example, ATM it is child play to get pure Thorium, but we have yet to create a non experimental molten salt reactor that generates electricity with with, even if it safer (no Three Mile or Chernobyl or Fukushima molten core) and produces little radioactive waste.
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2018-05-29, 02:48 | Link #3470 |
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Yes, that's the standard, but do you really want this show to be even more mediocre than it already is? Me, I actually want this show to be better and so I suggested the "scientists but also aliens/future-men/dimension-men/etc"-idea or vice versa however you like it (I mean, advanced aliens has scientists among them, right? Like Kryptonians). The show can have it both ways and that will actually give a new spin to the standard cliche where the mysterious scientists turn out to be just aliens or *insert other plain description here*.
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2018-05-29, 05:56 | Link #3471 | ||||
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The klaxosaurs that are near the princess never have their core exposed. I also wonder if the Klaxosaur princess couldn't just up and create a klaxosaur that has XY chromosomes if that were the case. Finally I wonder what happens if the fetus in the core starts to grow. Quote:
We only know that Zero Two is vaguely aware (and scared) of Klax-hime. Considering Klax-hime's psychic abilities, we can only infer that she's very aware of Zero Two, despite the range. What I mean by this is that whatever signals of resonance Zero Two is sensing, Klax-hime can most likely sense them even better and more accurately. TL;DR: Klax-hime has a better sonar system. We don't know why klaxosaurs are attracted to magma, but we do know that they're allegedly a mix between non-organic and bio-organic material, like part machine part creature. Personally for now I'm just going with "magma is a resource of some sorts for Klaxosaurs, which makes their conflict with the APEs a fight over resources between man and beast". I think we're going to get such an ending, but I also have my apprehensions towards that theory. Mainly because it really depends on Klax-hime's opinion of both Hiro and Zero Two. Hiro being rather pure minded helps, but even he wanted nothing other than climbing into a Franxx and make himself useful at one point. And Zero Two, well, she might be part of Klax-hime's "brethren", but that would make Zero Two's actions even more inexcusable towards klax-hime. There's no one whose killed more klaxosaurs than her and the Nines. Also, Zero Two has some very human looking skin for someone so similar to klax-hime. In the end, the duo is both perpetrator and victim. But will klax-hime care about that? Quote:
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2018-05-29, 06:54 | Link #3472 | |
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The higher-ups and echelons that plan the wars are the masterminds engineering the conflicts, however, the rest of the world always witnesses or heard the news on the soldiers, messengers, or pawns actually doing the dirty deeds and sully their hands in order to accomplish the objectives, missions, and strategies required to win the war or succeeding to subdue the enemy; that's a fact of war. Other anime bring this topic and manage to properly execute it. Take, for example, the Ishbal Massacre told and exposed in FullMetal Alchemist and FullMetal Alchemist Brotherhood. Spoiler:
Whenever Hiro and Zero Two, eventually, encounter Klaxx-hime for sure that stand-off will be tense given that they indiscriminately slaughtered Hime's cohorts and children, and, just as you said, Klaxx-hime won't care at all about their motivations, whether they were ordered to, lied to, compelled to, or wishful thinking to make themselves useful, but she'll be steely focused and pissed-off about their actions. When that moment happens (hopefully so) I don't wish this show pulls out a SUNRISE on the audience. Spoiler:
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2018-05-29, 09:46 | Link #3473 | |
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My guess is that APE was made up of a mix of humans and something else and I would not be surprised at some or all of them being scientists of some sort. Actually we may end up with a Dr. Hell(APE) vs an even more amoral Juzo Kabuto(Dr.Frank) situation. |
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2018-05-29, 10:52 | Link #3474 |
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Klaxosaur having XX chromosomes isn't that big a deal. They could be like ants, where most ants are female and the few male ants are for mating only.
Now, if the Klaxosaurs have human XX chromosomes then that means something entirely different. We then have to ask what relation exists between Klaxosaurs and Humans.
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2018-05-29, 11:00 | Link #3475 | |
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2018-05-29, 11:50 | Link #3476 |
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The Klaxx princess did say the masked APE dudes were "fake humans". But it could be a translation problem with the subs i watched since no one mentioned this. If it's right, it kinda goes along with the theory of APE being something more than what we got so far.
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2018-05-29, 12:39 | Link #3477 | ||
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2018-05-29, 12:51 | Link #3478 | ||
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2018-05-29, 12:55 | Link #3479 | |
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2018-05-29, 15:02 | Link #3480 |
formerly ogon bat
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Food for thought, what if Klax ONLY have the xx chromosome? I can almost hear people thinking "Heresy!". But there is an example in real life in modern times:
https://www.atlasobscura.com/article...h-mutant-clone So maybe the Klax are all female human mutants that eat magma and were created by APE but escaped their control. Then maybe Zero Two is another mutation created by Franxx and can breed instead of cloning herself. So maybe we will get an ending where everybody dies but Hiro and Zero Two so they become humanity 2.0 adam and eve. Another mystery is who made the picture book for Zero Two, neither franxx nor klax-loli seem logical choices. No one has mention that next week we wll have another non episode. |
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