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Another note having "many relationships not aways means "being experiencied and good" it also means which she was really bad at connect with "peoples", all her relationships goes from few weeks to one month at best, this show how much bad she was, Narume is the "gender bender" of you "generic dense childshi mc" which is in love with the girl but due to "japanese things" is too shy or dense or childshi to proper deal with it.
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2018-06-01, 11:20 | Link #122 |
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I just can't find the motivation to argue about your justifications for Narumi's romantic indifference towards Hirotaka. Many of your assumptions are inaccurately based on your unsubstantiated claim of the length Narumi's prior affairs:
I suggest you re-watch episode 1 where Narumi quite clearly states, "I was dating this hot guy from my last job, but he found out I was an otaku right before our one-year anniversay, got all weird about it, and then dumped me." |
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Again is pretty common in japan take weeks or even months before a couple can even kiss or hold hands and things like that, which is one of the issues to low relationships number in japan, many japaneses lack totally social skills due to being too much shy or too much "selfcentered" due to social pressure and all the bla bla bla, it is very clear at last in the manga which she is really bad with relationships exactly because she have to "act in a different way" and unable to being herself.
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And that is the "center of this anime" how can be complicated a romance between too deep otakus, hirotaka is a "die hard game otaku" which can prefer to spend a lot of time playing games alone even in a relationship, while narumi is the "bl" maniac fushoji and also like games a lot (less than hirotaka), which both of them where really bad at relationships, the only difference is hirotaka lack any experience with relationships, while narumi had a really bad experience wit relationships, where she aways had to hidden herself and do things which she don't liked and never really could connect with any of her "previous lovers". Another note is which you can't look at the other couple and them compare with main couple, they had a totall difference in experience, which make a huge difference between the main couple. the holiday episode was a exemple, where while the second couple expend it in a real date the main couple was like "playing game at home" and hirotaka don't really did anything to improve they relationships, he just agree in play games with her, that is the problem while she is stuck in act more like a otaku budy than a girlfriend, hirotaka also does little to try to make her leave that "safe zone" and it lead to they relationship really improve too little or a too slow pace.
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2018-06-01, 13:29 | Link #126 | |
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However, let's not forget that Hirotaka's one attempt to turn their relationship romantic was wholeheartedly and utterly rejected by Narumi. Her reaction was a loud and clear statement of, "You better not do that again." How can you blame him for not wanting to go through that again? And why should it all be up to Hirotaka, anyway? What kind of sexist attitude is that? You know damn well that if it was Kabakura instead of Hirotaka, Narumi's reaction would have been entirely different even though he's also an otaku. She'd be trying to seduce Kabakura every chance she got. Although I agree that Narumi may "love" Hirotaka as a friend (though it doesn't seem like it to me), she is not "in love" with him as a girlfriend. And, please, stop assuming that I haven't read all 5 volumes... |
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just remember how hirotaka asked her to "date" he don't say i love you or something like that he just "asked her on a date" cuz it could be better since he is also a otaku, he never told to her which he really love her or she was his first love and it is a issue in the manga, well i can't really spoiler if you want go read the manga. Even this episode showed how she love him, cuz she worried about him during that rain issue, she love him but not as we are expectating. Again pull a role rever and you see, narume is your "dense mc" while hirotaka is your childhood crush which never was able to be open about her feelings, maybe the anime is doing some changes here and there but overal the fault of they situation goes for both side and she does love him, she just not aware of that or take it too light since they relationship is too "slow".
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another note as i told for what i saw so far in manga and anime i really don't feel like she "only like him as a friend", i really feel like she just the "naive and childshi and slow to catch person, eaxctly like many "male generic mcs", this is why i say this is a "role reverse", you have a naive childsh and slow to catch mc (girl) with a shy and bad at express himself childhood friend in love with her ( the male). and about the "flirting with other guy, for what i saw and read was pretty the opposite is the other guy which keep being "jealous of her" and saying which she is his type", more than her boyfriend.
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The problem comes from both sides. Though admittedly, it lies more with Narumi.
First for Hirotaka, he`s not communicating. If he`s not addressing his needs, all he`ll be doing is attending to Narumi`s needs. He also hasn`t clearly spelled it out for Narumi that he`s a guy. The result is that he`s in this very odd friendzone where's dating but also not dating. Usually it's girls that have to ask guys if they're exclusive, now it seems the opposite. Narumi's problem is that she wants a boyfriend that she can share her otaku tendencies with. Not just someone who is understanding, but also someone who is willing to go buy manga with her, go to events with her and hold her booth if she needs to get a specific doujin or item. Basically, she wants an otaku + everything else she's looking for in a guy. Her accepting to date Hirotaka feels incredibly a lot like something accepted out of convenience. I don't think she's realized it, but somewhere she's still seeing him as her otaku friend. Not her otaku boyfriend. Even in this episode, she very clearly doesn't see him as man in a romantical sense. Adding to that, she's stuck in her preconceived notions about Hirotaka and who he is. |
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How much more clearly can Hirotaka spell out to Narumi that he's a guy when in episode 3, after the disaster of a kiss, he specifically told Narumi that he is a man. It must have gone in one ear and out the other as 5 episodes later, she still doesn't see him as a man (in the carnal sense). On another note, it did seem that Narumi had a rare but fleeting moment of awareness after Koyanagi wondered if Kabakura was dating her out of convenience. Unfortunately, it wasn't a moment of self-awareness and she didn't consider it was herself, not Hirotaka, who was dating out of convenience. Too bad for Hirotaka that he doesn't live up to "everything else she's looking for in a guy." If the younger brother was also an otaku, she'd likely prefer him over Hirotaka since he's cute whereas Narumi doesn't think Hirotaka is attractive at all. |
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The flashback showing Narumi visiting a sick Hirotaka was really cute. And finally, some hint of progress at the end of the episode. I was initially very happy that Hirotaka and Narumi got together at the end of the first episode, but they've been a couple in name only. In the end, it's not that different from other anime romantic comedies.
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They way I see it, we have two contrasting couples: The "established" couple who "say too much" as it were... and the "new" couple who "say too little".
Both have their ups and downs. Neither are ideal and both have room to grow. They're certainly not the same or equal and you'd also expect one pair to get more development than the other. It's just been a bit slow in coming. |
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The Westermarck effect, or reverse sexual imprinting, is a hypothetical psychological effect through which people who live in close domestic proximity during the first few years of their lives become desensitized to sexual attraction. It basically precludes childhood friends having a adult romantic relationship in most cases. In fact this anime does the reverse - Narumi is the 'dense MC'. Every time Hirotaka tries a genuine romantic gesture, Narumi spazzes out like an autistic child(no offense to autistic children)... If Narumi truly does not see Hirotaka is a romantic way she should at least have the decency to tell him, instead of stringing him along for her convenience. |
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Kabakura and Hanako are clearly in a romantic relationship. Hanako obviously isn't into PDA which is fine. However Narumi has her own 'complexes' related to how she was dumped for being an otaku. |
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If we had seen a hint, a smidgen, an inkling of romantic feelings from Narumi toward Hirotaka it might be a different story. This was the first and only time that we've seen them kiss, and I'm probably not wrong in saying that this was actually the first time that they had kissed, and Narumi's actions speak far more loudly than her words. And their [romantic] relationship isn't just dead. That would mean that it would, by definition, have had to be alive in the first place. Right now, it's really only a vague concept in Hirotaka's mind which may, or may not, come to fruition if Narumi is ever able to get over her prejudices and hangups (and Hirotaka can put up with her insensitivity long enough). Quote:
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