2018-06-17, 17:32 | Link #41 |
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Comments about Roger possibly being Im are interesting. While I won't throw my hat in with them, it does bring up a couple instances throughout the manga where I wondered if Roger was actually alive somewhere. The most recent was Momo mentioning that he met Roger and his crew at one point, which seemed strange considering Roger should have died well before Momo's birth. The other was before Whitebeard's death, when he said that Roger was waiting for someone. I may have interpreted these scenes incorrectly, but I remembered thinking that they seemed to be implying that Roger may still be alive.
As for the chapter itself, it was great seeing Bonney again. I wasn't expecting her to appear so soon, so that was a pleasant surprise. Not so pleasant was seeing what happened to Kuma... If Bonney really is from the same kingdom as Kuma, and it wasn't just a ruse to get in, I wonder what their relationship is. Maybe we'll finally get some info on why Akainu was after her. |
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Alternatively, a much simpler way of looking at things would be that the elders, as Celestial Dragons, (and in other words, "gods"), aren't concerned with the public knowing their faces since as deities, they have the power to suppress any and all who question their rule, lol. Quote:
Considering the theory proves true, I think the most likely answer is that the world noble descendants accept the elders as long as they let them have free reign to do as they please. We saw how disdainful they were towards their fellow nobles who showed decent moral conduct and were willing to give up their unrestrained lifestyles (Homing, Mjosgard, and even Vivi's ancestors, whom the elders considered traitors), so as long as they're satisfied, there's no problem. Basically, think of the Gorousei as the rich parents who provide their spoiled kids (the nobles) with all the expensive toys they want so they stop whining. Now, as far as Im/Ym goes..... Personally speaking, I'm not certain if he possesses much more power than the elders. From what we've seen, it looks like the elders go to him for advice, which would explain why they're so respectful towards him, but that doesn't guarantee that his status is superior, despite him parking his behind on that throne. I obviously don't doubt he has a special position (I also believe that he, like the elders, may be a survivor of the Void Century), but I still feel that the elders ultimately call the shots, barring special cases where the world balance is in jeopardy.... |
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2018-06-17, 18:01 | Link #43 |
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Im is sitting on a throne, the elders are on their knees before him, and they address him with "sama". I don't see how Oda could have possibly made it more obvious his status is superior to theirs. He's their King.
I agree the Five Elders handle regular affairs and only go to him when the situation degenerates greatly though. However, it's clear that he could call the shots if he wanted to. In fact, he seems to make the most important decisions, so he pretty much does.
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2018-06-17, 18:18 | Link #44 |
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Is it certain that Im/Ym is a man? They could be a lady no?
If what they mentioned about Alabasta being traitors maybe they were holding Vivi's picture because she's the heir and if they take her out there will be no one left to continue the family. So then it would be easer to erase their information later.
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2018-06-18, 10:49 | Link #46 |
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You're right. It's not like we know anything about Im.
This might prove to be troublesome for translators. Using "they" to refer to a single person always sounds awkward IMO, but they may not have a choice.
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2018-06-22, 01:59 | Link #49 |
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Interesting thought but if they make an attempt on Vivi and she is forced to flee. Perhaps she will finally get to officially join the strawhat crew. She wanted to before but her duties stopped her. But if she is unable to do those duties due to whatever Im is planning then joining the strawhat crew would be the safest place for her.
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2018-06-22, 02:40 | Link #50 |
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Probably the same as before though. She will temporarily join and then she will leave somewhere to continue her duty. However, considering about King Cobra's condition, i don't think Vivi can join in again.
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2018-06-22, 03:19 | Link #51 |
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Perhaps cobra will be killed and the CD take over Alabasta for the poneglyph which details pluton. They see the family as traitors so the loss of them wouldn’t bother them. Vivi is likely the key to their success. Plus as one of the original 20 families. Cobra might know details that aren’t beneficial to them. Besides if they do then Vivi likely wouldn’t get it back till the end of the series.
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I'm more concerned about Robin above the others buy there is no guarantee that those who knew the whole history will get hunted. I wonder how Shanks can hide the truth from WG about void century though. |
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2018-06-28, 03:24 | Link #53 |
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I hope the immortal thing does not happen, it's a good theory but i don't think that kind of power should be a part of the OP universe. I can understand one person eating a DF that would make them immortal, so Im could be but not the gorosei as well.
I keep thinking about what Clover's theory before he was shot, about a kingdom that defeated by the Alliance (later known as WG). He gets shot as he is about to name the kingdom. I think this Kingdom was located in Raftel and the history and answers will be shown when Strawhats arrive there. Also The will of 'D' could be ancestors of that Kingdom. Everyone who has D in their name would turn out to be descended from that kingdom.
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