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Not only that, but Ainz, through intermediaries, basically hired them to do that thing. That alone removes any moral high ground he might have. |
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2018-09-05, 17:16 | Link #423 | |
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I'm talking about the people that thinks what happened to Arche was the worst thing Ainz ever made, when it's far from the truth. Literally, some of the audience actually though Ainz was an anti-hero instead of the evil villain he always was. My point is that no backstory or killing waifus was needed to reach such conclusion. |
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2018-09-05, 18:47 | Link #424 | ||
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Illegal like "..invoking the wrath of the royal Vasiself family". You think if that was just tax evasion from another country anyone there would care? They called it a dirty job and then discussed about Arche not being able to do dangerous jobs anymore if she wants to take care of her sisters.
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2018-09-05, 19:03 | Link #426 | ||
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Nobody is saying that they're helpless or anything, but that doesn't change the fact that they didn't have an honest choice. You can't just say that they chose to go, so the consequnces are all on them, when their choices were limited to begin with.
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2018-09-05, 19:24 | Link #427 | |
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The Workers were doing a job Adventurers wouldn't do. They died (well, some of them died...) because they were not strong enough. That's all there is to it. Arche took one risk too many so she died. Her co-workers were not so lucky. Yes, it was a trap. But innocent people were not going to be in the trap to begin with. There are no doubt plenty of other people who would miss the Workers who didn't come home other than Arche. Arche gets special treatment by the audience because she is a cute girl, the men get no sympathy because of their gender. Also, remember that her sisters are only sold into slavery BECAUSE of their parents; the parents could just sell their mansion and live like commoners, but they choose to sell their kids instead. To ignore that fact is to ignore the source of Arche's misery.
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...what information were you thinking would have made them not go there? The knowledge that 100% death awaited them there?Because there is no source for that information other than Nazarick denizens themselves... Or were you hoping they would say "Hey guys we are luring you here to die with 100% certainty so please come anyways." Quote:
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2018-09-05, 20:25 | Link #429 |
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I think someone in this thread already made this example:
Let's say someone is going to go to the casino to gamble. Is he prepared to lose money? Yes. Does he know the risk? Yes. So, if he loses money while gambling, then yes, it's his fault. But you can't blame him if someone suddenly draws a gun and rob his money. Or if there is a terrorist attack at the casino and he gets killed there. Or heck, if Cthulhu himself shows up at the casino and murders him.
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They weren't forced, but deceiving them so they can't make an informed choice is almost as bad. Quote:
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2018-09-06, 00:32 | Link #431 | |
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Absolutely nothing they were told about the tomb was lies.
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2018-09-06, 01:02 | Link #432 |
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I can, in all actuality, so long as it looks like he has the mean and the will to kill me, as proven in many real life case with police shooting. Beside, in the series, the thieves were really mercenaries armed to the teeth who also happened to kill some of the tomb's residents.
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2018-09-06, 02:01 | Link #436 |
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Who did? Certainly not Ainz and Demi-Urge.
Fact is by the end of episode 8 Jircniv somehow seemed to know that Ainz Oowl Gown is the owner of the "ruin". He already knew that Ainz Oowl Gown is a magic caster who was capable enough to SAVE the strongest person from the Re-Estize Kingdom - in conclusion he at some point got to know that the owner of the "ruin" is a strong intelligent person who does NOT kill any random living beings on sight. In other words, an individual capable of reason. It's hard to imagine a scenario where he only confirmed Ainz Oowl Gown as the tomb's owner only after the raid-attempt by the Workers since there were no survivors and the "messenger" (Aura+Mare+Dragon) only arrived afterwards. In conclusion, the one who ultimately held back information and sent the Workers to their death was Jircniv, not Ainz or Demi-Urge. Sure, it's possible that Fluder "adviced" Jircniv not to tell the Workers this important info, or that Demi-Urge planned the whole thing with the assumption that Jircniv would not tell the info to the Workers, but ultimately it was Jircniv who made the decision.
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2018-09-06, 02:55 | Link #437 |
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Can we all stop talking about the Workers ? They're side characters whose purpose is to only appear in one small story arc , and not that important to the main plot like other side characters who will continue to play a role in the story like the previous couple from the Goblin arc, Zaryusu, Emperor Jircniv, Fluder, etc.....
On other forums, they're already moving on and starting to talk about Ainz's plans for conquest and the upcoming war involving a bunch of monsters with many mouths that Ainz will summon as seen in this season's poster. Hmmm...can't wait for those Shubbies in action |
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