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Ainz has committed a number of atrocities so far and I am confident that he will continue to do so in the future. Because he has decided that acting as he has so far is the most rational and efficient way to accomplish his goals. Normally a person's sense of morals would discourage them from committing atrocities. He already stated that he was no such problems. So there is no reason to think he will stop committing atrocities. Quote:
He asked for that town knowing that the kingdom would never give him the town. If the kingdom gave him the town he would just ask for something else, or think of another plan. Ainz was just picking a fight because he wanted to show off his power. He said that himself in this episode so I don't know why you would ignore that. Quote:
If Gazef asked him the King probably would have told him to run away. To protect his son or the kingdom or something. Gazef is the hero while Ainz is the evil villian trying to bring him over to his side by threatening innocent people. That is obviously the narrative being presented here. It's just in this story the main character is the villian, not the hero. [EDIT] Quote:
Normally the war consists of several small battles and then everyone goes home. I doubt 70,000 people would have died. |
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2018-09-27, 08:51 | Link #842 |
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ainz care about Nazarick, his people, his friends and flew into an uncontrollable rage when he found out he was deceived points out ainz makes a clear line between insiders and outsiders.
because he sees gazef worthy as an insider, he extended his hand for gazef to join him. Ainz "Be mine, Hero!" Gazef "I refuse!" Just to remind others, gazef was defeated by the sunlight scripture and ainz wiped them out singlehandedly in s1. gazef challenging ainz with a dark young within vicinity is nothing but a suicide when the dark young's attack is faster than gazef's perception and physical limits. ainz can easily use Grasp Heart (s1) or despair aura (level I was used on hamsuke in s1) to deal with gazef. or worse, bearhug gazef like he did to clementine all it will do is buy some time but the outcome will not change.
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I know that CGI is being adopted primarily for cost cutting reasons but that's not the problem here. This is squarely on the shoulders of the director. These scenes are very poorly composed.
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2018-09-27, 09:08 | Link #844 | ||
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The problem with Overlord is that it couldn't deliver any sense of dread and death despite the ongoing scene was "hundreds of thousand of soldiers are being massacred". The fact we have such kind of lazy camera pans and the likes don't help the ongoing scenes, which lead to some major dissonance between what the story is telling us and what the anime is showing us. The series was always sober when it comes to people dying in the plot (be it innocent like Sword of Darkness, or villains like Clementine). Of course, since those were named characters, the impact on the audience is obviously more present. But that's the very reason why you have to make up for it when it comes to so many faceless goons. If that mood isn't even simulated to a certain degree, it doesn't even feel like a "massacre" is going on. I doubt seeing innards flying etc would be necessary so it isn't like you need graphical gore or something. However, the scale and the atmosphere are so dry that it didn't feel like what the story is pretending to show, and this is undeniably bad direction. For instance, the fact so many were trampled by the goats, yet there isn't any blood visible on the plains, just completely invalidate what was going on. I could go on, but you get the idea: what was portrayed and what was told don't match each other. Quote:
There is no evidence it would be mere skirmishes. That being said, it is quite obvious the initial 70k death toll was way more than enough since 3-5K was already considered as quite big from a single "dangerous magic caster". So going as far as using the dark young was pretty pointless considering how the "fight" was already over.
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2018-09-27, 09:33 | Link #845 | |
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They live in totally different timeline... and in the past, all massacres are considered necessary to show power and dominance This kind of thinking is the one that formed our current society and morale standard about honor/loyalty, either in past or present or future, there are some that considered unworthed loyalty depends on how people look at it I'm looking at Gazef as someone respectable due to his loyalty but if someone else considered it as useless act, then it's okay as well |
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2018-09-27, 10:04 | Link #846 | |
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2018-09-27, 10:15 | Link #848 | |
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As Demiurge stated, they are using some kind of stratagem instead of going "search and destroy mode", and this plan involves Momon in the lot. While I doubt it is the last time they will resort to violence, I don't think it is guaranteed they would "destroy the kingdom" considering what we have been told. World domination doesn't always require destruction of the opposing factions, especially when you have bogus fantasy stuff running around daily.
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2018-09-27, 11:49 | Link #850 | |
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The point remains that if Gazef joins Ainz he'll have to help him in conquering nation after nation, possibly commanding him to attack the very soldiers he's supposed to protect, and then he has no reason to think a Lich would be a good ruler for his people and others, especially not after what he has seen. Also if someone asks you to join him, you may think about it. But if someone asks you to join him through a blackmail, you'd be a fool to not foresee what kind of leader-subordinate relationship you'd be getting into. It's already starting the wrong way. Those are not my words. Nothing suggests that.
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2018-09-27, 15:07 | Link #851 | |
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2018-09-27, 17:35 | Link #852 |
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Some highlights from ep 12 for me:
-The Emperor saying that Ainz might be able to kill as many as 3000 men with his strongest spell, then adding that it was best to be prepared for a worst case scenario. I don't know if you guys laughed or cringed at that, I wasn't sure how to react myself. -Ainz deliberately made himself a target to draw out any player characters from the opposing side? Was this why he had the dark elf with him, to intercept hostile players while he was casting? -Ainz thinking about how he should have felt bad about killing all those people, but was just excited to see the spell effect. -Yggdrasil had spells based on the Cthulhu mythos?? -The soldiers being reluctant to cheer for Ainz, until the monsters came close, then they applauded like their lives depended on it. -Ainz told the goats to spare 4 people. I think the 3 he met with at the end were among those, but who was the fourth? -Poor Gazef, but the death flags have been flying on half mast for a couple episodes now. And yet with necromancers, one may fear what comes after death more than death itself. Ainz has an interest in experimenting on martial artists, will Gazef make enough of an impression on him to avoid such a fate? |
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2018-09-27, 19:05 | Link #854 | ||
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2018-09-27, 20:40 | Link #855 | |
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but that is probably because they didn't expect what is coming they imagined something like a long war with more than 200k victims.. but it's actually happened in less than 30 minutes I don't know about the animation but I like overlord's CGI if you made it graphic like Shingeki, I'll drop this anime.. too gory |
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2018-09-27, 20:51 | Link #856 | |
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They are more like in "can you imagine if we offended nazarick or make them enemy?" Line of thinking instead of "this is so cruel and unacceptable" view, its like you are this punk wannabe just join this gang but turn out they are way to violent for your standard, if all you want is to act cool in public but instead your gang mug, rob and murder people, you probably going to make the same face as them too because you know, the moment you quit you are dead. these kingdom has wage war with empire on probably yearly basis, they kill each other because of "its that time to war again" like somekind of fesfival/event. the fact that empire try to raze carne village just because of it, the kingdom probably not rare to do such thing too, unacceptable is probably never cross their mind looking at the general/higher up just smile and laugh treating it like somekind of sport game despite they are sending people to dead. |
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2018-09-27, 21:09 | Link #857 |
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It's actually worse than this. He murdered all those people and asked for a round of applause. He's not dumb, he surely noticed the Imperial soldiers were beside themselves with fear, but that didn't even enter into his thought process, or at least it wasn't more important than his need for instant gratification. Not a good look for a ruler.
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the imperial soldiers aren't his friends or subordinates and he's not dumb to think they won't backstab him in the future. actually I thought you should know the empire's backstabbing plot already? the magic is to engrave fear into their hearts that they can never oppose ainz now or ever.
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2018-09-28, 05:33 | Link #860 | |
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Thus the request for applause which i must say thats a good call. Ainz basically outright show them the good old mob boss "you dare to oppose me?" |
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