[SPOILER] Manga, Anime, & LN Where The Girl MC Ended Up With Is Not The Main Heroine

[Devaki]

Jikogu Sensei Nube ---> Yukime was introduced later in the series while Nube's main crush/love interest in the beginning is Ritsuko-sensei.

You can even argue that twintail Kyouko is the actual main heroine of the series but obviously it didn't go into teacher-student route.


Oh about the list, what happen to Negima? you still didn't added it yet? I think along with TWGOK they may considered as the "ultimate" due to number of the heroines and eventually unexpected winner in the end

[wuhugm]

^Nube has no end

Negima's end is unreliable due to parallel world shit

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Added manga Back to The Kaasan

[Tenzen12]

Huh, did BtKs already ended? I though it's ongoing.

Btw, while it's not finished yet Erika from My Vampire Older Sister and my Zombie little sister is comfirmed to be indexed hard.

Spoiler for meta-massage:

“You can do below the big toe. That is the acupuncture point for people who think E-cups are the bare minimum for victory as a woman.”

“Is that so?”

“Hgyalogyah!? Bh, ph…I’m fine. That didn’t hurt at all!!”

Erika’s facial muscles were frozen in a smile, but she did have a chance at winning this. It could not last forever. The party was beginning soon, so she could escape with victory in her grasp as long as she endured a little longer!

“Now, let’s finish this.”

“Yes, I’ll finally be freed from this…”

“This is the acupuncture point for side characters. In other words, for those who are not the heroine.”

The world audibly froze over and then cracks ran through that ice.

Amatsu Erika awkwardly and forcibly twisted her body around to look back.

“Ho…ho ho ho. Don’t be silly. I’m right there in the title. It says ‘Vampire Older Sister’ right there!”

“But the story is from your brother’s viewpoint and he is clearly interested in the Forehead Glasses Class Rep.”

“How have you been spying on an entirely different world? No, wait, no! That isn’t true at all. No matter what happens in the meantime, the story is headed full throttle toward a big sister ending!!”

“And we can see if that’s true by applying pressure here. If it hurts, then you know you’re just a side character who gets continually strung along as an option only to leave emptyhanded.”

“Is it just me or is this turning into a contest to see how long I can last without admitting it hurts!? No, wait, hey…”

“Here goes.”

Kallikantzaros was coldhearted.

She gently placed her hand on the arch of Erika’s foot, and…

“Three, two, one…”

Though it was pretty obvious even if author didn't say it loud

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^Eh, it's like Fudatsuki no Kyouko-chan
Nobody cares about the glasses class rep except the MC
Same case with Planet With

BtKs I read the raw

[wuhugm]

Left bubble is completely right
Sick of stories where Main Heroine is Main Heroine and won in the end simply because she met the MC first
Like Emilia

[Devaki]

^ But what if the destined Main Heroine lost? isn't that would destroy the premise and people's expectation?

btw, what manga?

Originally Posted by wuhugm

^Nube has no end

Negima's end is unreliable due to parallel world shit

Nube ended long time ago, he married Yukime in the end.

Happy ending timeline shown in UQ Holder are canon to the original Negima final chapter.

[wuhugm]

Originally Posted by Devaki

^ But what if the destined Main Heroine lost? isn't that would destroy the premise and people's expectation?

btw, what manga?

Let it be destroyed

Manga

Originally Posted by Devaki

Nube ended long time ago, he married Yukime in the end.

Happy ending timeline shown in UQ Holder are canon to the original Negima final chapter.

I don't remember anything like that, image or didn't happen

In UQ Holder thread, nobody said it was confirmed

[Hujan]

Originally Posted by Devaki

^ But what if the destined Main Heroine lost? isn't that would destroy the premise and people's expectation?

isn't that depend on how the premise of the story?
for example is Nisekoi, the premise is "promise 10 years ago with the words Forever love", and they reveal the promise is with Onodera, so Chitoge win is the same as destroying the premise of forever love and didn't keep the promise too.
of course you can argue that the title is false love, and his love to Onodera is false love. but it doesn't change the fact the premise of the story is not false love but "promise and forever love".
so Nisekoi is example of Main Heroine win is destroying the premise. not all destined main heroine lost will mean destroying the premise.

[Devaki]

Originally Posted by wuhugm

I don't remember anything like that, image or didn't happen

Spoiler for ¯\_(ツ)_/¯:

Originally Posted by wuhugm

In UQ Holder thread, nobody said it was confirmed

Because it was very obvious already, if not try similar thread on Reddit or somewhere else for detailed discussion about the timelines.

Originally Posted by Hujan

isn't that depend on how the premise of the story?
for example is Nisekoi, the premise is "promise 10 years ago with the words Forever love", and they reveal the promise is with Onodera, so Chitoge win is the same as destroying the premise of forever love and didn't keep the promise too.
of course you can argue that the title is false love, and his love to Onodera is false love. but it doesn't change the fact the premise of the story is not false love but "promise and forever love".
so Nisekoi is example of Main Heroine win is destroying the premise. not all destined main heroine lost will mean destroying the premise.

What I mean it's about the premise how Main Heroine is guaranteed to win in the end, regardless the story

Whether it's about to keep or change the destined/promised one, Main Heroine can do both roles.

Like you said, Nisekoi is a classic example tho.

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^Oh god...
Added Nube manga
Miki best girl tho

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by Hujan

isn't that depend on how the premise of the story?
for example is Nisekoi, the premise is "promise 10 years ago with the words Forever love", and they reveal the promise is with Onodera, so Chitoge win is the same as destroying the premise of forever love and didn't keep the promise too.
of course you can argue that the title is false love, and his love to Onodera is false love. but it doesn't change the fact the premise of the story is not false love but "promise and forever love".
so Nisekoi is example of Main Heroine win is destroying the premise. not all destined main heroine lost will mean destroying the premise.

Or story could make simple point that promise of "ethernal love" is meaningless when it's just play pretend done by kids who are barely or not even yet elementary school students. Because let's be honest, decade in that growth period is enough to make one completely different person afterall.

But well noone make story about girl reuniting with her beloved person from childhood and find he is greasy, disgusting, fat,hikiNEET, internet troll and LGBT activist. Which is actually pretty shame, it sound like good premise...

[Hujan]

Originally Posted by Devaki

What I mean it's about the premise how Main Heroine is guaranteed to win in the end, regardless the story

Whether it's about to keep or change the destined/promised one, Main Heroine can do both roles.

Like you said, Nisekoi is a classic example tho.

Aw, damn, then just like Erotora said, let it be destroyed, and betraying people expectation in a good way, lol. (although for me, it's of course depending on how the premise of the story)

^I don't know what you are talking about, it's still doesn't change the fact that "eternal love" is the premise and Author make Chitoge win with betraying that premise while He had a choice to make her win without betraying the premise.

He can make Chitoge as the promised one. that way, He can make Chitoge win without betraying the premise and his love towards Onodera is indeed a false one as what he truly love from the start is Chitoge (like what he promise in the past) and Chitoge is his eternal love. But Author didn't do that.

rather make eternal love (like the premise of the story) win, he make new love win.
IF there is a sequel with the same pattern, the story will be like this.
Ichijou had married with Chitoge, then at his workplace, there is a new heroine suddenly appear that got close to him, in the end He realized that the one he truly love is the new girl, not his wife (just like what happen to Onodera).

[Tenzen12]

Again childhood promises of ethernal love is worthless, because it's done by kids, who know heck about love or relationships. It has around same weight as when they say they will become astronauts and princesess. If story aknowledge that much it can't be that bad (though I am not gonna finish Nisekoi, it was boring).

Marital oath is in other hand something adults make after thoroughly thinking it over and understanding weight of commitment (or that's how it should be at least). Going after "new love" means breaking promise made in front of God (Either that or Las Vegas guy), which is much bigger deal then not being able became astronaut.

[Hujan]

I think we talk about 2 different thing.
I talked about Nisekoi, you talk about real life.
Is childhood promises of eternal love is worthless in real life? Yes.
Is childhood promises of eternal love is worthless in Nisekoi story? No.
there is no character in Nisekoi that think childhood promises of ethernal love is worthless.

[Tenzen12]

Well, dropped Nisekoi so I wouldn't know, but apperently it was worthless enough to start dating other girl instead , isn't it? I think it makes pretty neat aesop.

[Devaki]

Originally Posted by Hujan

He can make Chitoge as the promised one. that way, He can make Chitoge win without betraying the premise and his love towards Onodera is indeed a false one as what he truly love from the start is Chitoge (like what he promise in the past) and Chitoge is his eternal love. But Author didn't do that.

Breaking the predetermined and create your own destiny is rather popular theme in fictions these days.

If Onodera is not the promised girl, it mean she lost in expected way in which Secondary Heroine is Secondary Heroine and she can't change the fate.

But she is the promised girl, so not only the fate has changed, but furthermore the author sink Onodera ship in the hardest and painful way possible....

Now I believe what people said about him hates Onodera is true

Originally Posted by Hujan

rather make eternal love (like the premise of the story) win, he make new love win.
IF there is a sequel with the same pattern, the story will be like this.
Ichijou had married with Chitoge, then at his workplace, there is a new heroine suddenly appear that got close to him, in the end He realized that the one he truly love is the new girl, not his wife (just like what happen to Onodera).

They are not same at all, this is pretty much NTR level.

One was promise made in happy go luck childhood days before separation and finding new love years later when the hormones kick in.

The other one was a married life with full of commitment as an adult and also legally life partners.

Originally Posted by wuhugm

Added manga Back to The Kaasan

^ Just finish this.

Example when Tsundere character done right

[Hujan]

so Author choose drama over consistency of the premise of the story? Yeah, I agree with you.

I said it is same pattern, not the same level.
it is the same level? nope.
it is the same pattern? yes.
also, it is not just childhood promise, but Author show us that Ichijou love Onodera for the entire series except the ending.

I just remember Shin Sekai Yori (it had good rating in MAL, so I read spoiler first before watch it, but it had Ha Yay and Les Yay, so I didn't watch it), but it can qualify for this depend on who you consider as Protag and Main Heroine/Main Hero.

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^Oh yeah, Shin Sekai Yori added

And regarding Nisekoi
That shit is a big big farce
In the One-Shot Onodera didn't even exist
The entire premise was about the fake relationship of Raku and Chitoge
The serialization was a gigantic fillers

[Tenzen12]

Btw Working! Got decesively finished without any sudden last chapter twists.