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Old 2018-11-21, 09:01   Link #401
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shizu was badly burned during the ww2 bombing.
you can see the burn marks but the anime poorly portrayed it.
The upfront reason is Ifrit is used to extend her life and removing it sharply reduces her vitality, hence you see her hair turning white at the end.
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Old 2018-11-21, 17:47   Link #402
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Overlord: 1 novel == 4.3 episodes
Goblin Slayer: 1 novel == 6 episodes
Slime: 1 novel == 8 episodes

this is an example of adaption done right with cares, rumor of a second 24 episodes season still unconfirmed, but it makes sense story wise.
Interesting.. They planned this out in advance which means they were confident enough in the source material to devote more episodes to each novel.

They better do 24 episodes of this, even if it's a split cour, since they won't have enough time to introduce everyone shown in the OP without rushing.
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Old 2018-11-21, 18:13   Link #403
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Interesting.. They planned this out in advance which means they were confident enough in the source material to devote more episodes to each novel.

They better do 24 episodes of this, even if it's a split cour, since they won't have enough time to introduce everyone shown in the OP without rushing.
They are doing 24 episodes. Hata was talking about rumors of a second season, also of 24 episodes.
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Old 2018-11-21, 21:33   Link #404
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We will need 48 episode to truly conclude the fisrtvmajor part of Novel tho...
at this pace there no way they can adapt another very important arc
But this pretty much confirm 2nd season unless they pull original ending
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Old 2018-11-21, 23:13   Link #405
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Interesting.. They planned this out in advance which means they were confident enough in the source material to devote more episodes to each novel.

They better do 24 episodes of this, even if it's a split cour, since they won't have enough time to introduce everyone shown in the OP without rushing.
Nah, confidence has little to do with it. Where the staff intends end this season in the most satisfactory way with the number of episode slots they have which includes whether they are going original ending or not and the structure of novels play a bigger role in the planning.

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Old 2018-11-21, 23:39   Link #406
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Things would have been vastly less awkward if he went on an adventure or two and witnessed her downfall before making that decision. I mean, they only met each other for 1 single day.
Yeah, there wasn't too much interaction between the two before her downfall. And the only other reason that he'd have to care about her is that some fortune teller told him that she was his soulmate.

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Same goes for the other three adventurer, where the anime and manga really gave the impression they only traveled together for like 2-3 days at most, so them being that concerned about Shizu was really unnatural.
Yeah, like with Ellen calling her like a big sister, that was overkill.

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She did mention how the Ifrit that enslaved her had also kept her young beyond her years (she must have been around 80 if this takes place in the present) but we did not really see her age gradually as the day passed, which would have brought it home more clearly but also been very challenging artistically.
It would of proven difficult to show her change in age for sure, especially over the course of half a episode. It would of been well worth it, but I can see how a cheaply done progression could of potentially ruined the moment instead.
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Old 2018-11-22, 01:02   Link #407
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I generally agree that despite finding Shizu's passing very touching, it definitely could have been done better in certain respects. For me I had more issues with what Shizu's emotional connection with 3 the adventurers than Rimuru's whose character I've come to find to be much less idealistic and more "go with status quo/flow" than your standard LN protagonist. Though the anime could have certain stood to give more reasoning to his actions, but I could at least see why he wouldn't be "all don't give up!" based on his current characteristics even if he's generally kind. I mean this dude did forget and leave one of is followers to rot in a jail cell (even if unintentionally) who only got out by conveniently invented power. Even the nation building something he just fell into for practical and fairly opportunistic reasons rather than a moral one.

OTOH the adventurers tearful good-bye with Shizu was jarring to me because the anime neglected to build up the context for their supposed attachment between them and her. Showing one or two meaningful scenes with the party bonding would have gone a long way at least that earning that emotional resolution on their part of the story. At least Rimuru and Shizu got that. Even now I can't see Shizu and those 3 as anything more than acquaintances who only knew each other for hours at best rather than friends based on the adaptation.
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Old 2018-11-22, 02:20   Link #408
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Old 2018-11-22, 02:38   Link #409
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Preview show too much again...
Do not open if you are anime only
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Old 2018-11-22, 05:52   Link #410
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They are doing 24 episodes. Hata was talking about rumors of a second season, also of 24 episodes.
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if this is true and my math is correct this would mean it would have.. 48 episodes! This series is great, but not that great to get a treatment like this this early in its first season!

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Nah, confidence has little to do with it. Where the staff intends end this season in the most satisfactory way with the number of episode slots they have which includes whether they are going original ending or not and the structure of novels play a bigger role in the planning.
I wrote that when I thought the 24 episode count was still unconfirmed, turns out this might become a 48 episode series!
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Old 2018-11-22, 10:50   Link #411
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well unlike some series, Tensura best arc should be after 24 episode with this pace
the story is extremely faithful thus far so it currently set sail in this direction
and will be a waste if they didn't pull another season to complete it
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Old 2018-11-22, 15:25   Link #412
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Oops, earlier I posted something here that I shouldn't have, because I mistook this thread with the WN thread. I deleted the post, but I apologize to anyone who had read it before that and had been spoilt as a result, I am really sorry!
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Old 2018-11-25, 05:48   Link #413
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People seriously hurt over shizu death? She’s not even in the series for that long.

I can understand if she’s been with mc group for years, things happened together, bond and friendship has been established. But here she’s like... 2 days in anime time? Aside from “hey iam japanese too” They barely knew each other, Iam a little loss with her death but thats it, its just the usual episode where key story character die like typical shonen series and mc is moving on with new motivation.
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Old 2018-11-25, 08:56   Link #414
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People seriously hurt over shizu death? She’s not even in the series for that long.

I can understand if she’s been with mc group for years, things happened together, bond and friendship has been established. But here she’s like... 2 days in anime time? Aside from “hey iam japanese too” They barely knew each other, Iam a little loss with her death but thats it, its just the usual episode where key story character die like typical shonen series and mc is moving on with new motivation.
The thing about Shizu is that most of her "character development" is post-humous. We'll get to see traces and call-backs to her as the story progresses. It's an approach that's fairly uncommon and interesting, imo.

As for the time she was actually alive: The anime is actually already the most "improved" version. This part had been different in EVERY version of the story.

Web Novel version was the most basic one. We got absolutely nothing about Shizu before her appearence and like. She just appeared with the trio and instead of Rimuru saving the 4 adventurers, including her, personally, they were saved by the Hobgoblins instead and the scene their Rimuru's first face-to-face meeting with the group was already inside the tent when they were eating. That's also the first appearence Shizu had in the entire Web Novel with no foreshadowing whatsover. After that things escalate much more quickly. No actual conversations between Rimuru and Shizu and she immdietly goes full Ifrit. The conversation between Shizu and Rimuru, after Ifrit gets absorbed, is actually just kinda summarized from Rimuru's perspective and gives even less information than the anime did. The 3 adventurers return back to the Blumund Kingdom before Shizu actually dies.

Light Novel version adds the entire backstory of Shizu as the book goes on, in 3 huge chunks in-between Rimuru's story up until their first meeting. But again, no foreshadowing on Rimuru's side. And again the Hobgoblins save the adventurers and there is once again no discussion between Rimuru and Shizu before she goes full Ifrit. Another huge 4th chunk of Shizu's backstory is added after the Ifrit battle, before she wakes up for a last time on her death bed and the scene of her last moments is quite a bit extended compared to the Web Novel version. Again, the adventurers leave the monster village before Shizu dies.

Manga version adds the whole "destined one" crystal ball fortune telling, but completely lacks the backstory from the Light Novel version and has actually even less backstory information than even the Web Novel version. On the other hand the manga adds much more stuff to the "present" events. It's the manga version that first changes events to where Rimuru rescues the adventurers instead of the Hobgoblins, and Shizu doesn't immidietly turn into Ifrit but instead manages to resist for a bit longer, long enough to have some bonding time with Rimuru before she gets taken over by Ifrit. The manga also explains that Ifrit was what kept Shizu alive and young for so long despite her being so old and that removing him was tauntamount to a death sentence. The manga version is also the first version where the adventurers get to know about Shizu's death and Rimuru's human form before departing. But a good amount of information regarding Shizu's backstory is missing.

Anime version gives us the core parts of Shizu's backstory from the LN and uses a slightly modified and even extended part of Rimuru and Shizu bonding from the manga. It's the most balanced, as it uses the LN as base for Shizu's backstory and the manga as the base for present day events, making it the most balanced out of the four versions, between her own story and her interactions with Rimuru.



So any potential problems with these scenes and the presentation of Shizu's character are probably caused by the constant tempering and revision of the rather minimalistic initial version from the WN over 3 adaptations, as well as the switch from initially 2 pure text versions over to increasingly more visual mediums of manga and anime respectively.

But all the versions before the anime, i.e. WN, LN and manga all improve in quality after the initial arc, so with a better base to start from, this will hopefully reflect on the anime as well.
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Old 2018-11-25, 09:11   Link #415
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You have to give credit to author, studio and VA for all those Shizu scene,
they manage to create "actual" character within 2-3 episode after all.

I know that many people didn't grow attach to her
but it is easy for most people to feel hurt and sympathetic consider her life until that point
combine with voice and Music.
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Old 2018-11-25, 20:48   Link #416
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Goblins vs Goblins vs Goblin Slayer:
https://twitter.com/kyabosean2/statu...915810304?s=19

Translation:
https://i.imgur.com/h8Wv07N.jpg

Goblin Slayer would later face Rimuru Tempest's judgement, but not before Rimuru was found by Priestess in slime form and pretended to be a friendly magical creature to closely investigate GS's group...
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Old 2018-11-25, 21:48   Link #417
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Goblins vs Goblins vs Goblin Slayer:
https://twitter.com/kyabosean2/statu...915810304?s=19

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https://i.imgur.com/h8Wv07N.jpg

Goblin Slayer would later face Rimuru Tempest's judgement, but not before Rimuru was found by Priestess in slime form and pretended to be a friendly magical creature to closely investigate GS's group...
Fanart or official? This look really legit lol
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Old 2018-11-25, 21:54   Link #418
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Fanart or official? This look really legit lol
Twitter fanart.
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Old 2018-11-25, 21:55   Link #419
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Twitter fanart.
Ah... that art really spot on tho lol
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Old 2018-11-25, 22:40   Link #420
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3rd trailer, about what has happened and the next arc that begins in episode 9.
So don't watch if sensitive about spoilers
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