Bokutachi wa Benkyou ga Dekinai

[Tenzen12]

Obvious it is not. Fumino is pretty much somehow better handled Itsuki. If she won it would certainly be less of upset, but upset regardless. At this point I dare say even Mafuyu has higher chance then her.

Then again if it help you feel better, I think Fumino has slightly higher chance then Rizu at least.

[MK-95-]

^To say that "Fumino has slightly higher chance then Rizu" is straight up untrue and a big insult at that. If anything, Fumino arguably has the highest or second highest chances of all the heroines. You're just letting your subjective feelings towards her cloud rational judgement.

A Fumino ending is not even close to being considered an upset. You're delusional if you really think that and as much as I like sensei, to say that she has higher chances than Fumino is also delusional.

Must be nice taking jabs at other peoples' ships, but you should probably be a little more worried about your Uruka ship since she's doing a fine job at sinking her ship right now. If Fumino is better-handled Itsuki, then Uruka is the better-handled Ichika... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Tenzen12]

Me liking Fumino cloud my judgement to refuse see, she is (supposedly) favourite for winner? How does that even work?

And yes both Uruka and Mafuyu has better chances, because Yuiga is both close to them and causally attracted to them to boot. Fumino in other hand missplayed her papa issues card and prematurely abandoned advisor role before scoring enough Yuiga points. She had perfect position but couldn't capitalize on that in the end.

As for Uruka=Ichika, that doesn't even make sense. I could see your point if you said Yotsuba or Miku though.


But If you feel offended by my joke she has only slightly higher chance Rizu, I apologise. Fumino might be underdog, but she is nowhere close to Rizu, that was hyperbole.

[MK-95-]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Me liking Fumino cloud my judgement to refuse see, she is (supposedly) favourite for winner? How does that even work?

And yes both Uruka and Mafuyu has better chances, because Yuiga is both close to them and causally attracted to them to boot. Fumino in other hand missplayed her papa issues card and prematurely abandoned advisor role before scoring enough Yuiga points. She had perfect position but couldn't capitalize on that in the end.

You sure about that? You're usually one of those that's on the away team when it comes to Fumino discussions, so I figured I had to call your rationality into question. There's a distinction between objectively assessing the situation and letting your subjective feelings affect your assessment of a character after all. Your previous post leaned more towards subjectivity. Can't blame me for taking it as such, especially when you say stuff like "If she won it would certainly be less of upset, but upset regardless" and "I think Fumino has slightly higher chance then Rizu at least".

Uruka I can understand, but let's come back down to Earth for a sec, shall we? You're seriously going to sit there and tell me that sensei's chances are higher? I don't even know where to begin with that one. No matter of well-liked she is by readers, we can already see that she isn't winning this unless the author literally goes "fuck it!" and gives us a swerve ending.

As for Uruka=Ichika, that doesn't even make sense. I could see your point if you said Yotsuba or Miku though.

But If you feel offended by my joke she has only slightly higher chance Rizu, I apologise. Fumino might be underdog, but she is nowhere close to Rizu, that was hyperbole.

Really? You really don't see where I'm going with the Ichika/Uruka comparison? It should be self-explanatory tbh. I'm referring to the fact that both are contributing to the sinking of their respective ships.

It's hard to detect jokes and sarcasm when your writing isn't exactly emotive, but I won't fault you for that since English isn't your first language. Therefore, please excuse me for taking your "joke" seriously.

[Tenzen12]

Yes I am sure I not just don't dislike Fumino, but like her even. I think her arc was lackluster and she failed bring out any adventage out of it, but I can say with clear conscience there is no character in BokuBen I dislike.

So about Mafuyu, she got into game late and that's go against her, but she actually connected well with Yuiga, there is chemistry, there is attraction and their relationship make sense when it came to meta. Being backed by popularity vote give her just enough edge to ignore late arrival. Maybe it's fake-out, but everything Fumino failed do right Mafuyu did excellently.

contributing sinking their respective ships

Sorry, but I don't think Uruka even damaged her ship yet. She did some dangerous maneuvers, but that's about it. At worst she took detour far enough someone else to steal her thunder. Ichika in other hand is crossing moral horizon ie she make herself unworthy being winner which completely different from for example Yotsuba who straight down gave up and practically sunken her ship, because she doesn't have enough Fuutarou points to make him run after her instead.

Edit: As for my jokes, that's have nothing to do with language. I am firm believer, that best jokes are told with straight face.

[Lex79]

I agree that Fumino has probably now the highest chances of winning. Uruka already got lots of development for her romance and she's still in no better position than the other girls, Rizu is, well....Rizu (but she still has chances due to her status as one of the main heroines), sensei and senpai have always been a step or two behind the others and even sensei's latest arc didn't change the situation too much.

[wuhugm]

Fumino is worst girl
Fumino Ending is worst Ending
Nuff said

I just like rooting for the underdog you see
Fumino and Itsuki have no underdog feel at all
They were never in the game even
Then suddenly BOOOOOM victory!
Meh

[schedmaster]

Originally Posted by wuhugm

Fumino is worst girl
Fumino Ending is worst Ending
Nuff said

I just like rooting for the underdog you see
Fumino and Itsuki have no underdog feel at all
They were never in the game even
Then suddenly BOOOOOM victory!
Meh

That’s because you are a rare breed of fanatics.

[shanimebib]

@erotora, I personally think Miku, Nino and Ichika get more attention in Gotoubun than Itsuki. And there has not been a clear indication that she is the end girl despite of the recent revelations. Fumino, on the other hand, gets all the attention of the world and basically destined to be the end girl. There is like no competition.

[RedWingFM]

I agree, Fumino was a main heroine from the start... No matter how you want another heroine's win, it will not happened.

[Tenzen12]

If she is gonna win, she will need hell of wank. Much bigger then her Papa issues arc and there is no hint she still have something like that in her sleeve.

[WingedAccelerator]

I don't feel the overwhelming power from Fumino. Like if we are really want to rank their chances of winning, she is above Rizu that's for certain, but giving her the Nariyukibowl already on a silver platter? She is Top 3 in whatever order you want her to be, but she clearly needs more work. I blame Reddit for this. Whatever Fumino does, it's always significant to them, and whatever the others do, it's not comparable to Fumino. The fandom makes Fumino much more of a threat than her actual portrayal up to this point. The tropes and such also helps.

[MK-95-]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

So about Mafuyu, she got into game late and that's go against her, but she actually connected well with Yuiga, there is chemistry, there is attraction and their relationship make sense when it came to meta. Being backed by popularity vote give her just enough edge to ignore late arrival. Maybe it's fake-out, but everything Fumino failed do right Mafuyu did excellently.

Come on now, we're regulars on a few of the romcom threads and are more than familiar with the tropes, conventions and cliches associated with the genre.

You should more than know that sensei's excellent chemistry with Yuiga doesn't mean squat tbh. If authors actually gave the win to heroines who deserve or earned it, then we'd be living in a world where main heroines would lose 90% of the time.

While we're at it, now imagine Hentaiga rooting for the main heroine instead because the sub-heroines would almost always win. He did say he likes rooting for the "underdog" after all. It's still a scary thought tho. Not even in my wildest dreams, can I picture him rooting for main heroines...

Sorry, but I don't think Uruka even damaged her ship yet. She did some dangerous maneuvers, but that's about it. At worst she took detour far enough someone else to steal her thunder. Ichika in other hand is crossing moral horizon ie she make herself unworthy being winner which completely different from for example Yotsuba who straight down gave up and practically sunken her ship, because she doesn't have enough Fuutarou points to make him run after her instead.

Quite the optimistic one, aren't ya? Well I won't dwell on this too much. You have your interpretation of what's happening with Uruka's ship and I have mine.

You're right when you say that Uruka hasn't burned her bridges yet, so she still has a chance, unlike Ichika. However, this route she chose, I can only see it leading her to ruin. Maybe if this was seinen or shoujo, she'd still have a decent chance at winning, but since this is shounen, I only see her ship as slowly sinking and no, it isn't going to transform into a submarine.

Edit: As for my jokes, that's have nothing to do with language. I am firm believer, that best jokes are told with straight face.

Humour is subjective, so I won't knock your preferences. As for my preferences, I'm not fond of deadpan humour. I'm more into witty dialogue with emotive delivery. Throw in some dark humour, offensive or outlandish jokes and those form the basis of my preferences.

[Tenzen12]

It's important understand tropes rather then just knowing them. Rather then saying First girl gonna win because she first girl, it's better figure why first girls wins and how it apply on heroine xyz . Being first girl doesn't always mean having first girl privilege.

Fumino might win, I am not saying she can't, but she wasted both her position and her personal arc without getting foothold for future progress so she would need another arc just to get another stages, where other heroines (except Rizu) already leaving that behind.

She would need go full Nino to fix her role imho. That or random arranged marriage arc

[MK-95-]

I'm well aware that her arc was lackluster, no need to remind me.

I'm not betting on her solely because of the first girl trope (if that were the case, then I'd be an Itsuki shipper as well...). I'm betting on her because while her role as Yuiga's "counsellor" didn't exactly realize its full potential, it still gave me plenty reason to place my bets on her as the one to win it all.

Besides, of all the heroines in his age group, his dynamic with Fumino feels the most natural imo. I'm specifically talking about before she started falling for him. While I like Uruka as a character, I absolutely loathe her as a romantic interest. Most of her "moments" with Yuiga are forced or unnatural. That's usually because she sets these moments in motion herself or someone secretly helps from the shadows (tho in her defense, most of the time she doesn't actually know that she's getting help).

When it comes to Fumino, you can say that it's wasted potential and to some extent, it is, but I'd rather have that than have the situation that Uruka's currently in. You can criticize Fumino all you want for wasting or not capitalizing on her chances, but it's still a much better position than where Uruka is right now tbh.

[Tenzen12]

I would like point you moved from "she is clear favorite to winn" to "I would rather her as winer, because she is better heroine"

I might disagree with both, but I respect your preferences if nothing else.

Also as ridiculous as it seems at least one case where Tiger was rooting for main heroine exist (I believe she lost).

[wuhugm]

^The only times I root for main heroine is when the romance is only a subplot
So, like Chainsaw Man or Shiga Hime

If the entire point of a manga is romance, then it should go all out
F*ck cliches and templates, just go with maximum impact
Thus Main Heroine win is crap because it has no impact whatsoever
Well, maybe if said main heroine is actually dead long ago and replaced by Alien, then I can reconsider it

Btw, Fumino's route is boring, author clearly has no intention to delve deeper into Astronomy
Only Teaching and Ice Skating got developed

[MK-95-]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

I would like point you moved from "she is clear favorite to winn" to "I would rather her as winer, because she is better heroine"

I might disagree with both, but I respect your preferences if nothing else.

Also as ridiculous as it seems at least one case where Tiger was rooting for main heroine exist (I believe she lost).

Don't go twisting my words now, I've never once said that "she's the clear favourite to win". Choice of wording is a hell of a thing and I always make sure to cover my bases. I don't appreciate people putting words in my mouth.

I said, and I quote "Fumino arguably has the highest or second highest chances of all the heroines". The key words there being arguably and highest/second highest. I never spoke in absolutes. For the record, when I say second highest, as much as I dislike the idea of her being a romantic interest, I've no choice, but to acknowledge that Uruka is a strong contender.

What puts Fumino above Uruka for me right now is the fact that Uruka's actively sinking her own ship. That much I'll accept responsibility for saying.

[Tenzen12]

Fair enough, sorry for putting words to your mouth.

Maybe you could withdraw claim I am delusional in return?

[MK-95-]

Fair point. I'll withdraw my statement. However, in my defense, some of the things you said were quite out there.