Dororo (Remake)

[SeijiSensei]

Originally Posted by Wandering Soul

The entire thing about how Itachi found the first half of the map is just weird. How did he come to the conclusion that the map was put on Dororo's mother? Not to mention that he sure is lucky that he just randomly stumbled upon on a grave that just so happens to be the grave of Dororo's mother.

Perhaps Itachi knew where she was buried from his prior association with Dororo's father.

As for why to look on her back, maybe he had been reading Golden Kamuy recently. It's also a convenient fact that Dororo's tattoo fades while his mother's didn't. If they had dug her up and seen nothing on her back, we wouldn't be where we are in this story.

And I, for one, don't have a negative opinion of Hyakkimaru at all. In the last episode he was quite endearing with those shy smiles and tender demeanor. I don't find it upsetting that he is trying to recover his body from the demons that possess it. Yes, he freaked out when the temple with the children and that lovely woman was burned, but considering the circumstances it was certainly understandable if unfortunate that he killed those men. I don't recall seeing him kill anyone, human or yokai, that didn't "deserve" it.

BTW, where did Hyakkimaru get his boat? Sure seemed in fine condition.

[zztop]

My understanding is the morality question of "the end justifying the means" is original to this anime; previous versions including the manga treated it as more of an action romp.

Ultimately, how do you think the writers should have handled it?

[Cao Ni Ma]

Originally Posted by zztop

My understanding is the morality question of "the end justifying the means" is original to this anime; previous versions including the manga treated it as more of an action romp.

Ultimately, how do you think the writers should have handled it?

Its sort of there in the original with

Spoiler:

Dororo being a composite Nue of all the parts taken by the demons

but Tezuka got bored again and dropped the manga before he could answer it and it was clearly something tacked in with very little thought.

The way the anime was doing it was fine, its evident that deal is no good and most people can see that because the demons keep taking their blood tithe on everyone, its just beating around the bush way too long to the point that it makes people roll their eyes.

They might be waiting till the end to make the point as part of the climax, but on a 24 episode series it feels like its dragging on too long to get there. Incorporating that story beat earlier and expanding it would have fit with Tezuka's narrative of FUCK SAMURAI AND CAPITAL IN GENERAL

[Mad Pierrot]

Is there a release date for the full version of the new ending theme song?

By the way, a friend pointed out that the staff are changing the video to make it easier to understand. Guess it means, the ending is foreshadowing Hyakkimaru's eyesight. In the original it was way too simple, but I guess the anime staff want it to make a big impact in the story so we'll have it in the finale

[zztop]

Ep 18 ends the Shiranui/Itachi arc of Tezuka's manga.

Key differences from the manga include:

- Tahoumaru's army is anime-original. The manga's army was led by a random magistrate who was tracking Itachi to find and claim Hibikuro's treasure for himself.

- Shiranui never blows himself up. Instead he challenges Hyakki to a 1-1 duel, which Hyakki wins. Shiranui's dying request is to be buried with his sharks; Hyakki and Dororo tie his corpse to Jiroumaru's corpse and set the 2 out to sea.

- The treasure didn't exist in the manga. All manga Itachi finds is an empty pot containing a single written message from Hibikuro saying he'd anticipated Shiranui would do something like this and hid the real treasure somewhere else, that the money was for the people's uprising. Itachi dies disappointed.

[Mad Pierrot]

Epic episode. We had a lot of fights. Nice animation and even Dororo finding the "One Piece" and coming up with a huge decision in regards to its fate leading him to become the Pirate King apparently

[Nivek von Beldo]

Originally Posted by zztop

Ep 18 ends the Shiranui/Itachi arc of Tezuka's manga.

Key differences from the manga include:

- Tahoumaru's army is anime-original. The manga's army was led by a random magistrate who was tracking Itachi to find and claim Hibikuro's treasure for himself.

- Shiranui never blows himself up. Instead he challenges Hyakki to a 1-1 duel, which Hyakki wins. Shiranui's dying request is to be buried with his sharks; Hyakki and Dororo tie his corpse to Jiroumaru's corpse and set the 2 out to sea.

- The treasure didn't exist in the manga. All manga Itachi finds is an empty pot containing a single written message from Hibikuro saying he'd anticipated Shiranui would do something like this and hid the real treasure somewhere else, that the money was for the people's uprising. Itachi dies disappointed.

Tahomaru is a improvement, is far better and unique and tie better with Hyakki personal arc rather an one shot villain.

Shiranui was different, not worse or better but was better he got his death on the manga, so the anime did fail in a way.

Loved what happened in the manga, was a perfect FU to Itachi, seems they want to make Dororo more merciful in this anime seems.

[grecefar]

it was smart of dororo to take some of the tresure for the trip

nice fight between tahomaru, hyogo and mutsu vs hyakkimaru, I quite enjoyed it.

[Dark Wing]

I called it I knew these sharks were more then meets the eye! DEMON SHARKS!

Tahomaru has made it clear that he has 100% committed himself to killing his brother but ends his mission when Hyogo is injured.

Itachi gets his final wish before dies. Well at least he could see the treasure before he bites the dust.

Dororo still not knowing what she wanted to do with the treasure decides to leave it hidden. Of course grabs a few had fulls to keep them going...

[FlareKnight]

That was kind of a "well that's what you get" moment for Tahomaru. All his determination and steeling himself accomplished was getting a bunch of "his people" killed and one of his closest retainers seriously injured.

I'm fine with how things played out overall. In the end Itachi may have gotten to see the gold, but he's still dead. In some ways it is more pathetic that he was so obsessed with the money in his last moments. The money stays hidden and Dororo has the time to think about what to do with it. Sure take some for traveling expenses. But no need to take a ton of it.

Super helpful that the body part returned was the leg that Hyakkimaru couldn't find anyone to make a replacement one for . Shark demon was very considerate in that respect.

[Kanon]

Hyakkimaru and Dororo's reunion was cute. This is the first time Hyakkimaru showed clear signs of affection toward her in all the time they've been together, to the point Dororo got flustered.

Jiromaru (or Saburomaru, I always confuse them) was a massive disappointment. Didn't kill anybody and went down very easily. Incidentally, it was very convenient that Hyakkimaru recovered his leg after killing him. If he had recovered an arm or his eyes instead, he would have been screwed.

Tahomaru calling Hyakkimaru the demon that is making their people suffer pissed me off. Hyakkimaru noticed Tahomaru was different, is it simply because of his newfound resolve or did something happen to him when he visited the Hall of Hell?

Itachi redeemed himself a bit by saving Dororo. He wasn't such a bad guy, just a man trying to survive. I'm glad the treasure was there, and that Dororo was wise enough to take some of it for their living expenses. If only her parents had been that smart.

Spoiler for manga:

Dororo's father hiding the treasure elsewhere in the manga made little sense, as it meant he didn't trust his wife and lied to her, which seems out of character. Unless I misremember, he didn't even leave a single clue about the real location, just a simple "I hid the treasure elsewhere because I didn't trust Itachi" so how was Dororo even supposed to find it?

Overall, I'd say this arc was an improvement over the manga.

[Cao Ni Ma]

It was like that in the manga because Tezuka had a way different concept with the bandits that the anime has and mostly because it might have been another plot point later on if he hadn't gotten bored with the series and dropped it.

[Wandering Soul]

Itachi dies obsessed with money, but he does win points for saving Dororo. Tbf to him though, times were tough and he really did just want a way to ensure his survival.

Surprised Tahomaru's retainer got off with just an injury as I expected him to die.

[serenade_beta]

Deux-ex-shark-boy finally leaves the story. Thank gosh.

[Dark Wing]

Originally Posted by Kanon

Itachi redeemed himself a bit by saving Dororo. He wasn't such a bad guy, just a man trying to survive. I'm glad the treasure was there, and that Dororo was wise enough to take some of it for their living expenses. If only her parents had been that smart.

I don't believe that Dororo's parents lacked intelligence...They just didn't have the cunning or cut throat mindset like Itachi had...

Like I said in an earlier post Dororo's parents main personality traits seen are Pirde, Courage, Kindness, and a Strong Will. Virtuous yes but not exactly suited for the time period they live in.

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by Dark Wing

I don't believe that Dororo's parents we lacked intelligence...Just not as cunning or cut throat as Itachi had been...

Like I said in an earlier post Dororo's parents seem main personality traits are Pirde, Courage, Kindness, and a Strong Will. Virtuous yes but not exactly suited for the time period they live in.

Yeah, in some cases those traits can be self-destructive if taken too far. It's impressive the willpower Dororo's mother showed in trying to avoid being able to abuse the treasure for the sake of her child. But that also lead to her death and Dororo having to grow up in a dangerous world without any family.

Dororo has admirable qualities. But is also not a stupid person. No issue taking a bit of that treasure for the sake of traveling expenses. Practicality is an important trait to have. Can be smart without that spiraling into greed.

[Cao Ni Ma]

Thats the entire point of the manga's call to arms against the unjust rulers though and it has parallels with just about any society at any given point in time.

Individually it might be destructive, but get the entire peasantry involved and you've got a revolution. Its not like the samurai will be able to subsist if the entire ground beneath them gets uprooted

[blakstealth]

I forgot how good a well-animated episode looked from this show lol. I feel like it's been a while. While the fight between Hyakkimaru and Tahomaru and gang was short, there were some brief moments of sick moves. I'm also glad that Itachi's finally dead. Dororo is either too kind for her own good or is too young to feel hatred for her to lay him down in peace and still kinda cared for him in his final moments.

[Dark Wing]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Dororo has admirable qualities. But is also not a stupid person. No issue taking a bit of that treasure for the sake of traveling expenses. Practicality is an important trait to have. Can be smart without that spiraling into greed.

Exactly my thoughts. Dororo had been heavily influenced by the the three people closest to her and has seemed find just the balance so far in her young life.

[Haak]

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