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Same for Scotland where SNP got three seats, something even they didn't expect to happen. If the Tories keep up their "shout after farage and brexit party" they might really risk breaking their Union apart after leaving the EU.
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2019-05-28, 13:33 | Link #1123 |
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Yup. The UK counting was rather slow.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48403131 I don't know if the 32% for the Brexit party is a strong result or not. Leave won with 52% of the vote. UKIP won the 2014 EU elections with 27% of the vote; they got just three percent this year. Given all the focus on Brexit and the ineptitude of the major parties in dealing with this crisis, 35% or so for Leave parties doesn't seem all that impressive.
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2019-05-28, 14:01 | Link #1124 |
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Were I a betting men I would bet that BoJo will actually run away again and avoid the top job just like I did the last two times. He strikes me as the kind of politician who talks a lot but when the push comes to shove lacks the backbone to actually do the job while still having enough sense to realize that he would only come out worse off after taking it up.
I'm just not sure he can actually escape this time, the Conservative party is kind of in shambles. If Labour hadn't been showing insane amounts of ineptitude with Corbyn at the wheel they would have easily been in the lead. Honestly, it's almost as if having career politicians who went straight from college to politics without having any real life experience (even if a sheltered, high paying one) is a recipe for incompetent statespeople.
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2019-05-28, 16:27 | Link #1125 | |
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So, just to clarify - deny the holocaust, and Corbyn will game the system, delay as long as possible and try to avoid disciplining you altogether. Vote LibDem and admit it publicly because of Labour’s gutless prevarication on Brexit you get kicked out of the party in three days.
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I did see some commentary that UKIP voters had simply switched for the Brexit party, which makes sense given Farage's attempt at rebranding himself away from UKIP and the string of controversies that dogged UKIP candidates. Quote:
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I do agree 100% that it is condemning how Labour's response to him voting LibDem on the issue of Brexit led to him getting kicked out of the party so quickly, while the response to the rise of antisemitism in the party file and rank had been left ignored and leadership dragging their feet in responding to it. Had Labour been semi-competent throughout all of this, they would already be the government. But no, I guess we gotta have the government in waiting also be a total shit show on the side as well, to fit in with the theme of the times.
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2019-05-31, 14:36 | Link #1127 |
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Plaid Cymru, the Welsh nationalists, are trying to create an alliance of the Remain parties.
https://twitter.com/Adamprice/status...08920736337920
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2019-05-31, 19:05 | Link #1128 |
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Well, the LibDems were leading the YouGov poll of voting intentions, though we've been down that road before. And the Greens were on 12%. It's very hard to get political parties to set aside their own self-promotion for a greater cause (as the failure to ally for the EU election showed) but the idea of a LD/Green/Change UK/PC/SDP alliance for a general election makes a lot of sense.
If the Tories go with a hard Brexit PM who pushes for a no-deal Brexit, I think enough Tories will support a no-confidence vote that it will pass, and a GE would end up being the de facto 2nd referendum. The LDs would have the most to lose in an alliance, since they might have a real chance to be the largest party in a coalition government.
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2019-05-31, 20:06 | Link #1129 |
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Lib-Con didn't work out that well for them as I recall. Lib-Lab seems more plausible but not, I think, if Corbyn remains Leader.
The bigger question, it seems to me, is whether British politics is in a period of realignment away from its traditional class roots to a new dimension that roughly corresponds to Leave vs Remain. Social scientists have talked about "post-industrial" politics for decades now. It might finally be happening.
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2019-05-31, 22:01 | Link #1130 | |
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While they've teased in polls this far out before, with the fragmentation of party politics you'd have to say it's at least possible that the LDs could be the largest party in a coalition government. Certainly they won't win enough seats to govern alone.
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2019-06-01, 00:18 | Link #1131 |
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The UK situation of shifting from right vs left to leave vs remain seems to mirror what's happening in a lot of European countries. Its much less right vs left and more those who want to preserve the sovereign rights and national identity of individual countries vs the globalists who want to leave the borders open.
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2019-06-01, 07:33 | Link #1133 |
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LibDems lead the field in yesterday's YouGov poll.
LD 24% Brexit 22% Conservative 19% Labour 19% Green. 8% UKIP 2% https://www.businessinsider.com/youg...vatives-2019-5
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2019-06-01, 20:29 | Link #1135 |
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The thing that truly baffles me about the Brexit party growth during the EU elections, is that theoretically it should have seen a drop is support given the backlash from the blatant lies and shady PR funding that were exposed in aftermath of the Brexit vote. Especially when you have clowns like Farage making an absolute ass out of himself by admitting just hours after the vote that the Brexit bus slogan would pure nonsense.
People should be better informed about Brexit now than ever, and it should be a lot clearer now why it is a lose-lose scenario for almost everyone. I'm honestly glad I'm emigrating to Europe in a couple of months...
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2019-06-02, 14:33 | Link #1136 | |
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And in the poll I cite above, LibDems run ahead of the Brexit Party by two points.
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2019-06-03, 05:34 | Link #1137 | |
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Facts just don't work, people are driven by what they "feel" should be correct. It's a more overarching problem than just brexit and I honest to god don't understand how it came about and what might be done to fix it. It's a very complex societal problem we have nowadays that's poisoning our political discourse and undermining our democratic values. It doesn't really matter that the facts were wrong, people want to lash out at their perceived injustices and the EU has been shown to them in that fashion for years. Unpopular bill at home? Just blame it on the EU despite your own government pushing it through in the council. Lack of low skilled jobs? Just blame those cheap EU migrants, not your failing education policies and social safety net system. Your fishing quotas are small? Blame the EU despite you being part of that particular committee and never showing up to the meetings (this one goes straight to one Mr. Farage). The EU has a PR problem of its own making, all the governments liked using it as a scapegoat for their unpopular laws and now we're paying the price for it.
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2019-06-03, 19:23 | Link #1138 |
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The basics of populism, my friend. Determine the problem, find a scapegoat, blame that problem to that scapegoat, problem gets swept under the rug without actually having something done about it.
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(Except the population that get blamed of course...)
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Being sensible just doesn't sell, bring on the insanity! Let Rome burn!
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