Trump Tweets (no more)

[Eisdrache]

Originally Posted by ramlaen

If you think Pelosi will endanger Democrat held seats by bringing an impeachment vote to the floor you have been strung along by the kabuki dance.

Let's not skip over the part where the investigation including the hearings and protection of the whistle-blower are following the set of regulations currently in effect (more commonly known as the law) while the actions by the president and his sheep (hello there Matt Gaetz) are blatantly not.

[kari-no-sugata II]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tru...-jury-n1072226

A federal court judge on Friday ordered the Department of Justice to turn over grand jury material referenced in redacted portions of special counsel Robert Mueller's report to the House Judiciary Committee.

"Even in cases of presidential impeachment, a House resolution has never, in fact, been required to begin an impeachment inquiry," Howell wrote.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by SeijiSensei

Have you really bought into the smoke being blown by Republican lawmakers?

Have you not paid attention to his posts? They're about as r/TD as you can get.

[Key Board]

Originally Posted by Eisdrache

It's not that Americans don't have celebrities, it's that other countries have them as well.

They do, but do they have the same celebrity culture?
Even before Trump we had let's see.. Arnold, Al Franken, Jesse Ventura, and let's not forget Ronald Reagan who started all this mess.

Originally Posted by Eisdrache

This makes zero sense. The queen is hardly a politically active celebrity.

The Queen has the power to suspend parliament. She used it recently.
Some could argue that she doesn't use it all the time. But as it stands, she has power despite not being elected.
And isn't the royal family funded in part by public?

[Ithekro]

From what I recall, the lands held by the royal family generate a sizable income for the United Kingdom. Tourism and more.

[Skulkraken]

If the Queen and the rest of the royal family were to be fully stripped of their remaining power and property, who would get their stuff? Boris Johnson and the rest of Parliament?

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Key Board

The Queen has the power to suspend parliament. She used it recently.
Some could argue that she doesn't use it all the time. But as it stands, she has power despite not being elected.

Yes and no. Even though "she" suspended parliament, she didn't decide to. Her Prime Minister did.

[Guardian Enzo]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Yes and no. Even though "she" suspended parliament, she didn't decide to. Her Prime Minister did.

Exactly. It would be more accurate say she lacked the power to deny the PM to right to prorogue parliament.

[SeijiSensei]

Originally Posted by ramlaen

If you think Pelosi will endanger Democrat held seats by bringing an impeachment vote to the floor you have been strung along by the kabuki dance.

I think she'll have the 218 votes needed including a couple of non-Democrats like Justin Amash, Adam Kinzinger, and Will Hurd. There are 234 Democrats, so she doesn't need them all. A Senate trial has considerable value for the Democrats by putting vulnerable Republican senators on the line.

120 or so Republican House Members voted in support of the resolution criticizing Trump for abandoning the Kurds. I was surprised the number was so high. Maybe a few of them might support the impeachment resolution a well.

[Guardian Enzo]

Impeachment will go to a floor vote in the House, and pass with a bit of Republican support. But I would guess Moscow Mitch will limit the "trial" in the Senate to a sham voice vote so that Republican senators don't have to go on record as Yes or No votes.

[kari-no-sugata II]

Mitch has said that it'll have be to a proper trial... though we'll have to wait and see what he considers to be proper.

btw, plenty of Republicans retiring:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...xander/596965/

In all so far, 16 GOP House members and four senators are forgoing reelection next year without declaring their candidacy for another office, while just four Democrats in the House and one in the Senate are retiring outright. More than two dozen Republicans retired ahead of the 2018 midterms, foreshadowing the blue wave that swept in a Democratic majority.

Over the weekend, Republicans also got the first indication that the impeachment proceedings against President Donald Trump may play a role in decisions by more of their members to head out the door: Representative Francis Rooney of Florida announced he would retire after just two terms, one day after he became the first House Republican to say he might vote for Trump’s impeachment. Rooney said on Fox News that he was “tired of the intense partisanship” in Congress.

Those retiring will be a lot freer to vote how they think best.

[SeijiSensei]

Differential rates of retirement affect the number of seats won in off-year elections. Retirements historically haven't mattered in Presidential years. That doesn't mean they won't affect voting in an impeachment proceeding though.

https://www.politicsbythenumbers.org...ut-the-future/

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The 2018 outcome would sit just above the value for 1958 in the left-hand chart.

[Toukairin]

Trump got booed hard and later chanted "Lock him up" by the fans in Game 5 of the World Series yesterday.

YouTube

https://youtu.be/9AvZynpBTl8

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Washingtonians, you bloody Legends!

[ramlaen]

Originally Posted by Toukairin

Washingtonians, you bloody Legends!

With how the game went they probably should have been cheering on their team.

[kari-no-sugata II]

Well, first House resolution directly related to impeachment coming this Thursday:
https://twitter.com/BresPolitico/sta...02172144144387

Very dry and procedural it seems.

Edit Perhaps not so dry:
https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/stat...01347774603264

[Toukairin]

Originally Posted by ramlaen

With how the game went they probably should have been cheering on their team.

Now that the Nats have done the job in 7 games, the crowd doesn't give a rat's about what you think. Especially with the shameless way the idiots at Fox have aired his re-election campaign ad yesterday, people who are fed up with this shit have every right to give him flak.

YouTube

https://youtu.be/eRr9mJ_bxns

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That's also what happens when a POTUS spends the vast majority of his time in his ivory tower instead of mingling with ordinary folks who may not be his supporters. That idiot ain't no king. Even if he was a king, he would deserve a good old "Fuck the king" in response.

[kari-no-sugata II]

Originally Posted by kari-no-sugata II

Well, first House resolution directly related to impeachment coming this Thursday:
https://twitter.com/BresPolitico/sta...02172144144387

Very dry and procedural it seems.

Edit Perhaps not so dry:
https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/stat...01347774603264

In the end, almost a pure party line vote.

I wonder if the public hearings will shift public sentiment much. If not, I wouldn't expect much change in votes when we get to actual articles of impeachment.

[Toukairin]

I say bring them all up front into the spotlight. The Republicans were whining about how impeachment procedures are done behind closed doors and everything, but now they got what they asked about making those public. So they better own it, especially if the subpoenas are now for public testimonies that could and should be enforced by the US Capitol Police if necessary. Anyone who fails to comply to those public subpoenas should be arrested by the USCP on charges of contempt and obstruction from now on.

It's funny because I think the Republicans really fell for it and now look silly after their stupid stunts from last week.

[ramlaen]

Originally Posted by Toukairin

That's also what happens when a POTUS spends the vast majority of his time in his ivory tower instead of mingling with ordinary folks who may not be his supporters. That idiot ain't no king. Even if he was a king, he would deserve a good old "Fuck the king" in response.

Hey you are starting to catch on to why Trump became POTUS in the first place.

It's funny because I think the Republicans really fell for it and now look silly after their stupid stunts from last week.

Nothing has changed, Pelosi still has yet to bring an impeachment resolution to the floor.

[Eisdrache]

Originally Posted by Toukairin

Now that the Nats have done the job in 7 games, the crowd doesn't give a rat's about what you think. Especially with the shameless way the idiots at Fox have aired his re-election campaign ad yesterday, people who are fed up with this shit have every right to give him flak.

This thread was doing fine until you decided to get baited. Again.

Originally Posted by Toukairin

It's funny because I think the Republicans really fell for it and now look silly after their stupid stunts from last week.

What is there to fall for? The republicans always had access to these hearings to begin with. Many of those who participated in Matt Gaetz' stunt already have permission to be present during the hearing.
The democrats know it, the republicans know it, the public (should) knows it, the entire argument didn't exist from the very beginning. It is dumb to even discuss this just because of a few who prefer to live in their bubble.