2006-08-10, 12:30 | Link #81 |
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Kill them all style ending is what you get when all creativity is lost at the end. It´s about as creative as .. and they lived happily ever after.
And I must say after seeing Char´s Counterattack that all the complaining about the main cast being too overpowered and using the UC as a reference (as to how it should be) is pretty weak. But I have atleast one thing I would have liked to see. I think it could have been interesting if Minerva captured Kira after the battle against Shinn in which he lost Freedom. It also should have come 4-6 episodes earlier.
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2006-08-10, 13:20 | Link #82 |
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That would've been interesting since as soon as they arrived at Gibraltar or wherever it was they met with Gilbert, he would've had Kira's head in the gallows as soon as possible. And Athrun would've tried to free him...except Kira could probably beat Destiny with a GOUF (since he wouldn't be afraid to use his SEED Factor).
Would have been a very interesting turn of events. But I think the story would actually benefit with Shinn being taken prisoner aboard Archangel.
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2006-08-10, 14:10 | Link #83 | |
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Seriously though. Foe-Foe interaction is something I did miss in Destiny. And that is something we got a lot of in the UC. However random the encounters and battles were. I´ve never thought about that but that would have been very interesting. But I suppose those who wanted Shinn to hate Kira for all eternity would fret over such an occation for Kira and Shinn to talk.
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2006-08-10, 17:24 | Link #84 |
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If Shinn actually would get to talk to Kira we would finally get something to justify his willingness to shake Kiras hand. Altho i think that if it would come directly after the Freedom down ep, Shinn would have killed Kira on the spot - Stellar anyone ?
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2006-08-10, 17:39 | Link #85 | |
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2006-08-10, 18:08 | Link #86 |
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Yea, Kira beating Destiny in a GOUF is absurd, it just cant happen. Just look at Athrun when he piloted the gouf - Goufs shield gets simply sliced up like a piece of wood when Athrun tries to block the ASS with it, and Gouf hardly has anything to damage Destiny, only maybe his sword. But Destiny is much faster and all so no dice.
Bah, why am i trying to explain the redicilously obvious ?
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2006-08-10, 21:56 | Link #87 |
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Do I need to point out that Athrun was winning in the GOUF until Shinn snapped? Kira at least would've had the balls to go SEED himself and after getting beaten by Shinn just a few episodes earlier, he wouldn't pull his punches like the first time. Would've been a completely different ballgame.
You Shinn homers go back to your precious Shinn Character thread and talk about how awesome and creative his one stab bam bam move is. I stopped posting in that one for a reason. Last thing I need is for Shinn fanboys to come in here and tell me how something can't happen in a thread entitled "How would you improve GSD..." And let me point out Athrun sucked at pilot anything that wasn't a green ZAKU or Justice. Pointing out how easy Athrun got pistolwhipped isn't really a fair comparison to how bad Kira would pwn Shinn in that GOUF. (I mean Heine kicked Gaia's ass in the GOUF, can't say a GOUF can't beat a Gundam unless you're a total idiot)
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2006-08-10, 22:20 | Link #88 |
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Obi-wan, there is no way Kira is beating Shinn's Destiny in a damn GOUF. Shinn would kick his ass within 5 seconds. just like those Zaku's kicked the strikes ass. If Kira can't even beat Zaku's with the strike he ain't about to beat the DEstiny with a GOUF.
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2006-08-10, 22:26 | Link #89 | |
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GOUF Ignited > ZAKU = Windam > Dagger L > 105 Dagger > Strike. See how outdated Strike is? Not that I'm saying Kira can beat Shinn in a GOUF. He'd still lose, but he'd put up a better fight than Athrun who spent like 2 minutes with Dullindal's words will destroy the world crap and failed persuasion while Shinn spent like 30 seconds panting and angsting. Not to mention Rey's there as well. |
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2006-08-10, 22:45 | Link #91 |
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By the time of GSD the Strike is obsolete there are just no two ways about it. The Gouf is indeed a better suit but even Kira would not be able to defeat the destiny in a Gouf and Rey and the Legend were there too there is no way he would have been able to beat them both or even out run them. He would have put up more of a fight then Athrun did in his state of mind at the time but a similar out come would have probably happened, though it would have been interesting to see. All we ever get to see Kira pilot is the ridiculously powerful Strike Freedom and the Strike Rouge for like five minutes..
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2006-08-10, 22:45 | Link #92 |
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The only hope Kira has in beating Destiny with a GOUF is that he reawakens the Berserker SEED.
I miss the giant floating SEED and Berserker Kira. I don't think Freedom would have too much problem matching Destiny though. S.Freedom proved that had it not been for Kira's battle compasion and Rey's Legend, he didn't need DRAGOONs to beat Shinn. Anyway....this is off-topic. |
2006-08-10, 22:49 | Link #93 | |
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Freedom=Destiny>Justice=legend Strike Freedom=super god gundam IJ=super god gundam. Freedom is just as good as the Destiny. |
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2006-08-10, 22:56 | Link #94 |
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There's no one in a Gouf that could beat Shinn piloting DESTINY...The MS is just too strong regardless...For all of Athrun's efforts he still got stainless steel to the solar plexus...I actually had high hopes for that ep that Athrun would go SEED for his first time in the series and actually have a great battle and somehow escape...He did pretty good all things considered but in the end he still tasted ASS...
Quite frankly that episode ranks as one of top 5 worst episodes in the series...If I had a chance to re-write it I would have Athrun just try to escape via his piloting skills rather than engage in that fruitless conversation with Shinn who was goaded into killing him in one of the worst, childishly written scenes I've ever witnessed...God I really loathe the writing in that episode which included Dullindal "out of the a$$" becoming as evil as Skeletor or Cobra Commander...
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2006-08-10, 23:59 | Link #95 |
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Since this is how I would redo GSD, if I want Kira to beat the pants off of Shinn and Rey with a weaker MS, why the fuck can't I have that? Kira downed a whole bunch of ZAFT reds in less than five minutes, and last I checked that's the exact same rank as Rey and Shinn. All Kira has to do is flex and those two overrated sons of bitches are hanging on for dear life in the water.
Rey never impressed me anyways, for someone who was supposed to be better than Shinn at the beginning of the series. Cover fire from Minerva's deck is real badass. Boy gotz skills. He only gets a Gundam by default too. I'd remove that from GSD as well and leave him in his ZAKU. I don't see why Kira would have any reason to be worried about Rey in that situation. So for the record, we have Kira getting captured by Minerva after episode 34. Probably a little bit of Athrun pleading with Talia not to hand him over but she bitch slaps him and tells him she has to since its an order from the homeland. Durandal talks with Kira about the war and stuff (which makes the final episode less wtf) and then schedules an execution. Athrun goes rogue and helps Kira escape. They take off in the GOUF, Kira rewrites the OS to make it super pimptastic. Shinn and Rey take off, no bullshit preaching by Athrun, Rey tells Shinn to kill them, Kira beats the shit out of Destiny, Legend jumps in and Rey doesn't know wtf he's doing, gets pwnt, and Kira and Athrun escape. They also don't take Meyrin with them, which deletes the very stupid "Athrun x Meyrin" fanfic pairings that is all over the fucking internet by this point. Also Meyrin won't be considered dead so no stupid Luna x Shinn out of nowhere (but for convenience's sake, we'll just use the Special Edition version of Shinn x Luna as canon, since it seems to be establishing that relationship much earlier than the Athrun escaping part). I would also have ZAFT winning Heaven's Base by some super weapon like Cyclops, or something like that. I never really bought the whole Minerva Gundam Team Winning Heaven's Base By Itself. Same for Minerva owning the Earth moon base in 45. Delete that stupid shit. Some of the worst bullshit writing in the series takes place from ep 34-END. I'd redo that entire block but it'd end up like a fanfic and I think fanfics are ridiculous. But for now my changes to Ep 35-37 stay true to the plot and make the Kira/Durandal talk in the final episode less wtf, since they'll now have the opportunity to talk, and Kira will now have a legit reason to oppose him other than "we think maybe perhaps somehow possibly you tried to kill Lacus".
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2006-08-11, 00:14 | Link #96 | |
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If thats the way you what make it in your own GSD then I respect that. You said why you would have it happen...blah blah blah. But look at this
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2006-08-11, 00:31 | Link #97 |
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I don't know. Maybe it could be done with a semi-realistic explanation, like:
Shinn: "Rey, I know you said to take Destiny and all, but now that I think of it, I was in the middle of customizing its OS..." Rey: "For future reference, next time, can you tell me before we take off? And especially before we catch up with bad guys, half an hour away from anyone inclined to help us?" |
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@obi-wan read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_standards
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