Mobile Suit Gundam: The Witch From Mercury - Anime Episode Discussion

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This felt like trying to lump everything from every Gundam into one, The canon from Wing Zero, the art and style of Reconguista in G, 00's communication, Mikazuki. but damm that slap got to be award the best kill by a Gundam. That's how Robot fight if they are IRL.

[azenable]

Originally Posted by Kanon

The thing is Suletta has been acting like a perfectly normal socially awkward girl until now. She didn't do anything that made us raise eyebrows. The only time she acted oddly was the scene Obelisk mentioned where Prospera gaslit her and she had that very weird look on her face, even Miorine was creeped out IIRC. It's also the reason I'm hopeful Miorine will quickly realize Suletta isn't to blame for her weird behavior and will go "This is all her mother's fault, I can fix her".

The series didn't try to Call her The Witch if they are planning to make her another Kira. She's is more of a closet Mikazuki

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by Key Board

I am not. Just look at this forum?

Some people just don't want gay romance melodrama, and that's a huge pillar of gwitch.


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But they were fine with straight romance melodrama in other Gundam shows?

Either don’t like all the romance crap in Gundam or be fine with either straight or gay romance drama.

[Mad Pierrot]

To be honest, romance in Gundam in general has been kinda miss and hit. In Tomino's works, Amuro or Kamille fall in love 5 seconds after meeting a girl due to whatever is that Newtype thing. Heero's chemistry with Relena is almost a comedy. Kira was manipulated by Flay until he broke up with her and we actually never saw the former develop properly with Lacus. Setsuna wasn't that into romance (at least judging by how that girl reacts to couples), etc. When it comes to Char, the only girl he seems to love for real is Lalah despite having 5 other interests. Witch from Mercury is kinda confusing since they gave the couple one episode before Suletta starts showing those creepy psycho signs.

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by Mad Pierrot

To be honest, romance in Gundam in general has been kinda miss and hit. In Tomino's works, Amuro or Kamille fall in love 5 seconds after meeting a girl due to whatever is that Newtype thing. Heero's chemistry with Relena is almost a comedy. Kira was manipulated by Flay until he broke up with her and we actually never saw the former develop properly with Lacus. Setsuna wasn't that into romance (at least judging by how that girl reacts to couples), etc. When it comes to Char, the only girl he seems to love for real is Lalah despite having 5 other interests. Witch from Mercury is kinda confusing since they gave the couple one episode before Suletta starts showing those creepy psycho signs.

Difference between liking or not liking based on how well written it is vs not liking the romance because it is a gay couple.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Mad Pierrot

To be honest, romance in Gundam in general has been kinda miss and hit. In Tomino's works, Amuro or Kamille fall in love 5 seconds after meeting a girl due to whatever is that Newtype thing. Heero's chemistry with Relena is almost a comedy. Kira was manipulated by Flay until he broke up with her and we actually never saw the former develop properly with Lacus. Setsuna wasn't that into romance (at least judging by how that girl reacts to couples), etc. When it comes to Char, the only girl he seems to love for real is Lalah despite having 5 other interests. Witch from Mercury is kinda confusing since they gave the couple one episode before Suletta starts showing those creepy psycho signs.

Athrun x Cagalli was a good one. Too bad Destiny completely ruined that along with everything else. I'd like to pretend Destiny doesn't exist but my Lunamaria porn collection prevents me from doing so.

[Dextro]

Originally Posted by Mad Pierrot

I'd say she displayed a similar behaviour upon learning Aerial was Gundam and the mother calmed her in an abnormal way so quickly. Kinda reminds me to the MC of Tales of the Abyss who everybody finds too immature for a teenager until it is revealed he is a 7 year old replica who has "trouble remembering" his life.

Considering my personal pet theory is that Suletta is some sort of clone of Eri, that fits pretty well doesn't it?

[Sides]

Originally Posted by Dengar

...Also is Suletta actually gay? I haven't really seen any evidence one way or the other. At the very least there hasn't been any romance between her and Miorine.

After watching the final episode in S1, actually i noticed it before, she is easily persuaded to be anything and to believe anything. In my view, she is clayfigure that can be moulded by anyone for their liking, for the time being. Maybe that is a trait of a witch clone.

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by Key Board

bruh, Elan in episode 10 is a proxy for someone in the audience, saying "your marriage is fake. It's just ceremonial. Miorine is just using you so she can run way to earth. You're not gay. There are no romantic feelings involved. Here, let me correct your gayness and kiss you"

Where's the lie? I mean, apart from the "you're not gay" or "let me correct your gayness" part, I don't think Elan ever said that.

Originally Posted by Key Board

And episode 11 was made to disprove that.

I mean, I'm not assuming malice on Miorine's end, but all it established was that Suletta can confide in her.

Originally Posted by Key Board

If you still think that's straight than I don't know what else to say.

I never said this, and I'd prefer it if we didn't talk as if I did.

Originally Posted by Key Board

And maybe consider, Okouchi's recent track.
He wrote probably the most infamous straight bait confession scene in recent anime history. ( youtube 7 days war confession scene )

He is well versed in gay romance

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I'm... Not sure what to even do with that argument. Whether or not he is well versed in it doesn't really take away the fact that there haven't been any romantic scenes between Suletta and Miorine.

Originally Posted by azarhal

If Suletta was a guy, nobody would be wondering if the relationship was romantic or not I might add.

I have a bit of a track record of questioning these things regardless of the genders of anyone involved. There's frequently some forced relationships in fiction without any actual scenes where we see it happen. There have also conversely been gay relationships I was able to accept just fine. See Korra and Asami. I mean it wasn't the greatest execution, but there was a buildup.

[azarhal]

Originally Posted by Dengar

I have a bit of a track record of questioning these things regardless of the genders of anyone involved. There's frequently some forced relationships in fiction without any actual scenes where we see it happen. There have also conversely been gay relationships I was able to accept just fine. See Korra and Asami. I mean it wasn't the greatest execution, but there was a buildup.

In term of Japanese anime, Suletta and Miorine is based on the classic high school based slightly possessive "childhood friend who wants to be more" (Mio) and dense friend (Suletta) with a growing harem. Just not as comedic and without fanservices from the harem.

[Frontier]

Suletta was still referring to herself as Miorine's groom in episode 11...

[Twi]

Originally Posted by Kanon

Athrun x Cagalli was a good one. Too bad Destiny completely ruined that along with everything else. I'd like to pretend Destiny doesn't exist but my Lunamaria porn collection prevents me from doing so.

I mean, yeah Destiny took most of the good ships from Seed out back and put a shotgun to their heads, but...Lunamaria? Really?



Anyway, personally, I don't really care about the couples straight or gay in general since I'm more interested in seeing the characters I like happy. I think Su and Mio are good for each other (mind you, Mio needs to work on defusing the tykebomb), but I'd like Guel and Su to be closer considering the poor boy is going to need someone who understands him in the next cour.

I don't know what he did in a past life to warrant such suffering, but he can't catch a break.

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Dengar

Whether or not he is well versed in it doesn't really take away the fact that there haven't been any romantic scenes between Suletta and Miorine.

There was a pretty romantic scene just last episode though?

[chaosprophet]

Originally Posted by Endscape

There was a pretty romantic scene just last episode though?

Especially with the combo of "stay with me forever" and "never lose any duels", which means Suletta will keep being the holder, marry and be forever with Miorine.

[Frontier]

Originally Posted by Twi

I mean, yeah Destiny took most of the good ships from Seed out back and put a shotgun to their heads, but...Lunamaria? Really?

Well Seed Destiny did help hook Kenichi Suzumura and Maaya Sakamoto up, so ...

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by Endscape

There was a pretty romantic scene just last episode though?

I will not deny you this if you see it that way.

But I am sorry, I just can't. I felt nothing from that scene other than two people growing closer.

Originally Posted by chaosprophet

Especially with the combo of "stay with me forever" and "never lose any duels", which means Suletta will keep being the holder, marry and be forever with Miorine.

To me that's just Miorine's refusal to seize control of her own life and basically going like "I'd rather it be you because you suck the least out of all of them." I don't understand why she doesn't just try harder to reject this idea that she's just a trophy to be fought over. She is very weak.


Like, if there is actual romance there, then tell me this: What thing does one party have that makes the other love them?

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by Dengar

Where's the lie? I mean, apart from the "you're not gay" or "let me correct your gayness" part, I don't think Elan ever said that.

Oh, I'm sure he believes it, but we know for a fact it's not true. Miorine herself said she doesn't want to run away to Earth anymore thanks to Suletta. She even asked her to stay by her side forever and to never lose a duel, which is an incredibly thinly veiled way of saying "let's get married".

[Dengar]

Why are you sure he believes it?

And how do you know she just isn't thinking that she wants Suletta to somehow solve all of her problems she herself is too weak to solve?

If it is indeed a declaration of love, then why? Maybe I'm blind, maybe there is something I missed because I've not exactly been unbiased while watching this.

Also why won't they just say "I love you"? A lot of this ambiguity would be completely solved.

If the writer indeed intends this to be romantic, then they cannot write romance.

Like seriously, what story about two people being forced into a relationship neither of them asked for and somehow being okay with this is believable?

What do they see in each other? What do they even have in common? Do they have any shared interests? Is there anything they could share with each other?

[Frontier]

I mean, Suletta basically helped save Miorine and connected with her in a way no one else has and they mutually support each other and are there for each other. Miorine took Suletta's mantra to heart to move forward with her life and Suletta found someone who supports and needs her.

And sometimes actions say more than words.

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by Dengar

To me that's just Miorine's refusal to seize control of her own life and basically going like "I'd rather it be you because you suck the least out of all of them." I don't understand why she doesn't just try harder to reject this idea that she's just a trophy to be fought over. She is very weak.

Miorine has had ample opportunity to run away to Earth and has consistently instead thrown herself back into the same situation that she wants to escape all for Suletta's sake.

Her running Suletta down to ask how she's feeling and telling her not to lose any duels so she can remain her prospective bride is so incredibly telling.

Originally Posted by Dengar

And how do you know she just isn't thinking that she wants Suletta to somehow solve all of her problems she herself is too weak to solve?

Again, she could have left anytime. The fact that she chooses to stay for Suletta says something.

If it is indeed a declaration of love, then why? Maybe I'm blind, maybe there is something I missed because I've not exactly been unbiased while watching this.

Miorine clearly appreciates Suletta's simple straightforward kindness and the way she, unlike Guel and Shaddiq actually tries to help her respectfully in a way she's OK, rather than trying to control her life like her dad.

Also why won't they just say "I love you"? A lot of this ambiguity would be completely solved.

I know this isn't your first anime.

If the writer indeed intends this to be romantic, then they cannot write romance.

Like seriously, what story about two people being forced into a relationship neither of them asked for and somehow being okay with this is believable?

They can write romance just fine. Neither Suletta or even Miorine are being forced into this, they can both stop anytime, they're choosing to be together and to make a life together.