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The flashback isn't just for the fight though, because there's also the little things that start adding up like why no one knows anything about Flamme and why most of her grimoires are fake, or how similar Frieren and Fern's pasts are (both being orphaned survivors from demons massacring their village) Last edited by Shadow5YA; 2023-11-10 at 19:57. |
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In terms of mana, it did look like she was stronger than them combined, yes.
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Also I never said it was all speed. Efficiency and technique matters too, just like it did against Qual. Quote:
The lesson is failing to accurate gauge your opponent's strength will cost your life. Even Frieren vs Aura wasn't set in stone. Like Frieren herself said, if Aura had stayed back and kept on wearing down Frieren's mana with the soldiers then it would have ended differently. Last edited by Shadow5YA; 2023-11-10 at 21:50. |
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2023-11-10, 22:23 | Link #344 |
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Very satisfying episode.
I agree that the flashbacks could have been better placed. Currently they jerk the tempo of the battle. I think I would have put the whole fight until Aura realizes that she lost and we see Frieren's overwhelming mana, then cut to the flashback to explain it all, and come back for Frieren's winning order to end the ep as is currently. The animation in town went low, low, low
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2023-11-11, 02:10 | Link #345 |
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Wonderful episode. A bit anti-climatic, but very great storytelling here with how Frieren ended the battle. But I supposed that's what the previous episode was for; to showcase laser beams and weapon swings.
I do agree with Decel about how the flashbacks should have been arranged. I was a bit stumped as to what Fern and Frieren was doing and I think it would have made the.... how to say.... the "how'd she do it?" part of the episode have more anticipation, but after the first flashback segment, it was clear what it was, allowing the viewer to figure out how the episode would end. Small thing, but I just want to say Aura had a lovely design =03. Especially the hair. It's always sad when a good design gets obliterated in just a single episode. Also, here to ask; why do you think that suppressing mana is considered disgraceful by mages? Since Flamme thought so even 1000 years ago, it makes me think its an intrinsic concept of humans rather than a rule someone decide should be, and neither would make any sense from what I can tell.
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Frieren's fight wouldn't have been a surprise even without the flashback. She already proved herself by killing Draht, and her reputation from killing the Demon King precedes her. Even everyone here already assumed that she'd win before the episode aired.
There is no mystery to Frieren's fight either way - it's everything that happened before it. I see it more as filling in the blanks for the rest of the story, from why there are so few elves, why no one seemed to know anything about Flamme and why most of her grimoires are fake, to how Fern managed to win, since her fight was less predictable than Frieren's. |
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If you see that from other kings' perspective, then yes, of course it is a disgrace.
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Keep in mind that what Lugner thought is not necessarily true since he's biased and can't assess Fern's abilities properly.
The truth is that neither of them were actually landing any clean hits on each other. Just like Lugner needed an opening, Fern was waiting for one too. The only direct hits she landed were both surprise attacks while his attention was on Stark. It's just that even a stalemate where neither of them could land a killing blow is already beyond what Lugner expected since he thought he was better than Fern, while waiting for a good opening is exactly how Fern was taught to fight. |
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Lugner, even while dying, was wondering why Fern's mana didn't deplete, so it's still ambiguous (to me at least) as to who had the most mana amongst the two. We'll never know but I suspect Fern's mana capacity would be greater than Lugner but lesser than Aura. In short: Frieren's disciples (Stark, Fern) are better than Aura's (Linie, Lugner), in my view.
Edit: Also didn't realize before that Flamme was human. Question: Were the scales part of Aura or their own magical item? As in, can't Frieren pick it up and start using it against demons?
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It might be just me but I think mana visuals and the talk of controlling of mana output reminds me a lot of Nen in HxH. Does anyone know if the mangaka was inspired by Togashi?
I had spoiled myself slightly by perusing the Frieren Wiki but the execution made it a moot point. Madhouse is doing an awesome job. I really need to start reading the manga |
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However, there's no evidence that Fern was ever trying to stall. She was aiming to Lugner from the beginning. The fact that she didn't until he was distracted was because she couldn't. She was looking for an opening just like he was. |
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The writing is so interesting. Any other story would've built up the tension for Frieren facing Aura, even if she has some secret technique that makes it a total roflstomp.
What happens instead? Fern just casually spoils the whole plot in the intro, and the entire episode is about how Frieren learned her technique. We finally get to the fight, and there's no big reveal. It just plays out exactly as we expect. But somehow, it turns out that works, too.
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Fern had him beaten in every possible way. Speed, power, accuracy, and most likely mana capacity.
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It's very rare to see people, and especially writers, commit to that notion from the beginning.
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