2006-10-09, 14:21 | Link #2 | |
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Aizen first of all is easily above most of the captains in lvl, he finishes komamura,ichigo,renji easily on his own on mount execution.. he stops ichigos slice with a finger, ichigo the one that has defeated 3 captain lvls (although one is ranked vice captain but could probably turn into captain + Spoiler:
so making that comparison is pretty unfair.. Hitsugaya fights pretty evenly with Gin (although unfortunateley we dont get to see such a huge battle there.. Also Spoiler:
Although i think its hard to decide witch captain is weakest since many of them are specialists in diffrent areas i would claim komamura is the weakest, and his bankai didnt give me such a huge impression because of the size of it.. also Unohana, but she is very strong in the sense of medical skills so I cant say she is weakest.. You understand my reasoning? Im commenting on your post so we at least get some discussion in this thread. |
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2006-10-09, 14:27 | Link #3 |
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hitsu is inexperienced, but loosing easily to aizen does not in any way make him or komamura or anyone total push overs. if you're up to date on the manga...well, IF you are than you wouldn't have made that comment anyway.
there's really not enough evidence to decide who's the weakest. we pretty much know for sure the strongest, and several others who can't be the weakest, but that's all we know |
2006-10-09, 15:36 | Link #5 |
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experience has NOTHING to do with anything strength-related? surely you jest! recall what byakuya was saying to renji when he easily defeated his newly acquired bankai form. why do you think they train for 6 years at the academy? or go on field trips before graduating? for fun? why do you think the oldest captain is also the strongest? and before you say anything, please don't give me the ichigo argument. Last edited by NoSanninWa; 2006-10-09 at 16:21. |
2006-10-09, 15:58 | Link #6 | |
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Why? because Ichigo in just some 4 months became one of the strongest and thus destroying your assupmtion? And then in this type of Series, The kids are usually the one that gets stronger than the old and experinced ones. Ohh reagdading your Observation about the Manga: Spoiler:
Once again, It seems you did not get my question reagarding your Observation, lets make it more clear: Where It was stated that Hitsugaya is Inexperienced? You did not say he had less experince than others, You say he was inexperinced. how do you know he does not have more experince than Renji or Matsumoto? or any of the captains? |
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2006-10-09, 16:05 | Link #7 | |
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Take a look at Byakuya's fight against Renji, where he mentioned that it takes years of training to master your bankai after achieving it. Then he proceeded to fight Ichigo, and is the only bankai user if I remember to show multiple facets of his bankai(first the multiple swords, then the combining of them into one powerful sword). I think that second element comes from his experience with bankai. On a side note, first time poster, long time reader. |
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2006-10-09, 16:08 | Link #8 | |
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Once again, Experince can help you dictate the strenght but at the end, The most experinced does not equates in the strongest. this is a series where 17 years old are the one that beats everybody. |
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2006-10-09, 16:10 | Link #9 |
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I would agree that you can't pull out an Ichigo card because he is the exception that proves the rule. Everyone is so tremendously surprised by Ichigo's growth that it supports the precedent that bankai achievement and mastery do take experience. Not to mention he's the main character lol. Even Ichigo faltered in his first use of bankai against Byakuya, and without his hollow intervening Ichigo would've been a goner.
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2006-10-09, 16:13 | Link #10 | |
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2006-10-09, 16:20 | Link #11 | |
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you know why we can't use ichigo's argument? because if several months is all it takes IN GENERAL to get to captain class, then EVERYONE in S.S. would be captain class. power is related to experience IN GENERAL. that's why it takes decades to learn and master bankai IN GENERAL. you said experience doesn't have ANYTHING to do with power, i say it does IN GENERAL Quote:
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2006-10-09, 16:35 | Link #13 |
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Hitsu has been a captian for less then 50 years as he had not even started school when Renji and co had. Aside from Gin, and likely Tousen and Komamura all have had at least 50 years as captians plus an unknown time that was > then 50 years as seated officers.
Ichigo's potential is stronger the just about everyone by a HUGE factor, he has never gained a "power up" just learned how to unlock the power he already had and even then I can't think of a single time he has had a clean win durring a fight. |
2006-10-09, 16:42 | Link #14 | |
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2006-10-09, 22:23 | Link #16 |
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Hitsugaya maybe a prodigy in terms of talent and was also fastest shinigami to attain Taicho Rank . But he is greeen horn in terms of power . I mean due to excess fan-girlism followed everywhere in terms of his chibi Kwaii-ness . He is overhyped more than his actual poptential . No doubt he is a good Taicho but no where near greatness , as many Bleach Otaku rate him as Spoiler for Manga:
NO he is not the weakest Taicho in Sendai no Gotei , there are weaker Taichos like Tosen Komamura and Gin
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2006-10-10, 01:45 | Link #17 |
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i have yet to read the manga, so pardon me. Up till now, histugaya has yet to win a fight, a draw with gin, a lost to aizen, and he's even struggling when facing ichinose, a VC level shinigami. At least Aizen feels the need to use his 'finger' to stop ichigo's slash and a strong kidou to repel kamamura, and besides, ichigo was hurt at that time by byakuya so he's not up to his best yet, and kamamura was fighting with zaraki, but hitsugaya was in tip top condition. i thought that he should at least exchange a few sword blows first before being owned so easily along with his bankai.
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2006-10-10, 03:13 | Link #19 |
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@cheese no koma: ichinose is out of discussion, he's a filler character. Aizen had the time to cast a black coffin BECAUSE he had his shikai on. Similarly he oso shikai'ed hitsugaya. Lots of evidence proves that he probably did the same to ichigo, though it isnt clear. You might as well say, aizen didnt even bother to pull a sword against komamura :roll: |
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