2006-11-03, 11:41 | Link #2261 |
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JediNight, as you will see if you read my blog, I feel totally and completely differently about the ending. You expect this to be a normal anime? It is not.
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2006-11-03, 12:19 | Link #2263 |
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There is a word for "at first I was disappointed with [in this case the ending of Simoun] but when I thought about it some more I actually liked it": rationalization. Which ties in with what I was saying before about whoever buys into and gets invested in [in this case Simoun] being inclined to whitewash its faults. (I'm no exception, I just don't do it for Simoun.)
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2006-11-03, 12:49 | Link #2264 | |
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I'm definitely not saying it's the best ending ever, and it's certainly not one with which everyone's likely to be happy. But equally, it put me in mind of Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou, and that's no bad thing at all. |
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2006-11-03, 13:04 | Link #2265 | |
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You could claim we are turning a blind eye to the faults of Simoun but you could also say we have put the ending into perspective and after thinking about the series as a whole and not about what we personally expected to happen in the end we have come to a conclusion that the ending was actually a good one. A good example would be the ending of Mai-HiME which by itself is not too bad and I initially did not hate it but it becomes non-sensical and annoying when one thinks of it in relation to the previous episodes. I think we have the opposite case in Simoun. But of course, I might be trying to rationalize and make myself feel better about the ending. But even if I am doing exactly that while pretending that I am not, I wouldn't generalise and put everyone who feels the same about the ending in that category.
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2006-11-03, 13:31 | Link #2266 | ||
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I'm not sure what you mean about generalizing people into a category there. I'm not trying to say that everyone who liked the ending is rationalizing. More like there's a good chance that the people who didn't like it at first but then "learned" to like it through various means might be. And NO thanks to you for reminding me of the Avenger ending I do agree with your objection to KC point, though. Last edited by yononaka; 2006-11-03 at 13:46. Reason: the first sentence inadvertently had dual meaning |
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2006-11-03, 14:19 | Link #2268 | |
Dansa med oss
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Near Cincinnati, OH, but actually in Kentucky
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Wow, it feels really good to write about Simoun again. Seems like it's been ages D: Oh, so you're "that guy," huh? Quote:
I recommend trying up to episode three, since there's not a lot that happens in two. And, for what it's worth, I've been assured by many people that there is indeed a plot (a great one, at that), so fret not about that. And it's not a harem show, either. I'm not blind to the shows faults at all. I still get a bit irritated whenever I think about Anglus and how none of the explanation for that gaping plothole was even hinted at. However, it's a lot like love: despite the other person having flaws, the good points will ultimately outweigh the bad, and you'll find acceptance. There's no perfect person, and there's no perfect show. Last edited by FatPianoBoy; 2006-11-03 at 14:31. |
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2006-11-03, 22:49 | Link #2269 |
Yuuki Aoi
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I may be rationalizing away problems, but if I am, it certainly is quite deeply subconscious. All I can feel in myself is how great the ending is, resonating still. Not tied up neatly so that the story is signed, sealed, delivered, and gone from my mind. Definite similarities to YKK and Haibane Renmei in that regard. And I think I was fairly clear about problems with, for example, the storyboarding of episode 19. It's just that the strengths of the show, including that episode, overwhelmed any problems, for me at least.
I agree with Matrim, however, that my statement about frustration proving greatness is laying it on a little thick. Thanks for reining me in. The remarkable fact that yononaka continues to monitor the thread of this show he doesn't think he likes may prove something, though. Not sure what. Perhaps negative rationalizations are as easy as positive ones? As for Kanon, although I myself like it a lot, it has about the most moe per square centimetre of any show I've seen, and I can well imagine someone gagging on it after about 30 seconds. You definitely do have to like at least some characters in a show, and not be repelled by too many others, in order to have a chance of liking it. One difference between Simoun and Strawberry Panic is that StoPani is full of moe characters and Simoun has nary a one, in my opinion.
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2006-11-03, 23:48 | Link #2270 |
nani ni tatoemu
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If you're even half-seriously suggesting that the fact that I sometimes look at this thread is yet another proof of the greatness of Simoun, you really are laying it on a little thick If you're suggesting something else, well, I thought you guys wanted to get 2500 posts but I can probably refrain from posting here again if it's a problem.
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2006-11-04, 01:03 | Link #2271 | |
Yuuki Aoi
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But now that you mention it.... I guess that "thinks he does" was there because I was wondering whether you actually disliked the show as much as you think you do. At least it appears to hold a certain fascination for you that other shows you don't much like may not. So perhaps your coming here does demonstrate the show's ability to fascinate, if not its greatness. I do keep testing my own fascination, since it seems excessive even to me. I've been looking at various episodes recently, but I keep finding them at least as moving as I did before. Fully invested, lol. I certainly wasn't telling you to go away. But when you come to a thread to tell a show's admirers that they are lying to themselves, you should be able to accept a little forceful resistance, shouldn't you?
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2006-11-04, 10:17 | Link #2273 |
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Since we seem to be on the topic of Kanon, I will just say I watched the second episode and hated it. Rarely has a series managed to get on my nerves so much in just two episodes. If anyone is interested in my rant, it's on my blog (see my sig). I guess KyoAni's recent works are just not my cup of tea (though FMP:Fumoffu is awesome).
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2006-11-05, 00:14 | Link #2274 |
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in fact the theory(it could end in a fanfic) that I am thinking to write here about how the simoun fly and from where they are, could explain all what you are saying and it will be in agree, the problem that I am having here is how to explain the Aeru/Neviril/Amuria relations because it will end with Aeru/Neviril love and I dont think that everyone will like this, even me. But to explain the story seems to be the only way |
2006-11-05, 06:10 | Link #2275 | |
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2006-11-05, 07:48 | Link #2276 |
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I'll watch what I believe is "good" basically. Which is a bit more nitpicky than most, so I guess I'm not that mainstream either. Even despite being dissatisfied with the ending to Simoun, overall it was a good series. Asatte no Houkou is good right now, and Code Geass seems like it has promise.
For mainstream stuff, while Deathnote is insanely popular right off the bat it seems, I think it more or less is deserving as a good series. Certainly better than other mainstream series such as Inuyasha, Naruto, Bleach, etc. So while mainstream doesn't automatically mean something sucks, it doesn't mean its great either. |
2006-11-05, 09:33 | Link #2277 |
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Helical moter "Core-2 Duo" technology?
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2006-11-05, 10:44 | Link #2278 |
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You know, you guys. I've been following this thread for a long time, and I think there's some excellent discussion here. I also understand feeling bitter that Simoun doesn't have the widespread appeal you think it deserves, because I agree 100%. I loved this series.
Having said that, this elitist attitude is really getting on my nerves. I loved Simoun. I'm also enjoying Kanon. I also like (GASP) mainstream shounen, like Kekkaishi. Gee, I guess this means I'm a horrible, slobbering "fanboy" for not just worshipping Simoun and and looking down upon more mainstream offerings. You know, the best way to tell people about Simoun is to be passionate about it, and keep on trying. It's not insulting other shows people enjoy and insulting the people that enjoy them. |
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2006-11-05, 12:47 | Link #2280 | |
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If you want to write negative things about Kanon, be my guest. I got into a rather heated exchange because I had less than complimentary things to say about certain aspects too. The difference is I actually brought it to the Kanon thread instead of sitting in a thread devoted to an entirely different show and making generalizations about Kanon fans as opposed to those who are privileged to have the "good taste" to like non-mainstream shows. I guess you just don't get how obnoxious that can come across to someone that loves Simoun (but isn't a hardcore enough fangirl like yourself, I guess) and comes here to read interesting discussions about the girls and the world of Simoun instead of generalities about other anime fans and what "undeserving" shows are currently popular. |
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