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wao · 2006-12-16, 00:46

I think this is only superficially similar to Blood+... Perhaps those who wanted something more serious and well-executed from BLood+ and were disappointed (like me), are watching this. But I think this might be too boring to people who liked Blood+. Heck, it even bores me sometimes (though that's not saying much...)

I don't think it's that this show has a very small number of fans though, it's just that a lot of them are probably the type that don't join forums and talk about them. And I guess it is hard to digest without the clarifying text, which got dropped/delayed since this is licensed, which provides another barrier... But I think there's nothing wrong with having a small fanbase at all.

Speaking of which though, I really must get around to watchign ep 15, MrProphet's description of it got me interested, and I'm up for anything about the Maximilien-Durand-Lia thing. This sort of show isn't the type that I rush out to watch as soon as it comes out but the type that I eventually do get around to watching in bits and pieces with enough time to think about it/figure out what's going on.

MrProphet · 2006-12-16, 16:32

I don't find it anything at all similar to Blood+. The latter is a very "fanservisey" series, since "schoolgirls with katanas" are very moe and chic for quite a number of fans.

Chevalier is very different since: a) It has no Japanese, b) It features unfamiliar historical settings, c) It has no obvious moe factor or a fandom cliche.

Thus the lack of major interest from Japanese folks. Still, I think ADV Films is betting on it to get a bit more popular in the West, since it got licensed and will be released so fast.

lommm · 2006-12-18, 04:59

yeah, i guess i just meant based on some of the style and that production i g did both...

i totally agree, though. it's a show that will do much better in the west than it does in japan. i guess that's why adv is fast tracking it and coyote ragtime... both seem more european (or american, in coyote's case)

btw, anyone seen ep 16: "Where the Soul Lies" yet?

wao · 2006-12-18, 05:22

Well, to be honest, I think this show has buckletloads of tasteful moe if you know where to look (and if you're a girl), except that nobody makes a big deal about it, which is all nice and fine of course.

Of course it's easy to disagree on this matter so I'll just leave it as it is... and I curse myself for not getting episode 15 when it was hot, now the torrent's most positively dead...

ntsan · 2006-12-18, 05:36

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Originally Posted by wao

Well, to be honest, I think this show has buckletloads of tasteful moe if you know where to look (and if you're a girl), except that nobody makes a big deal about it, which is all nice and fine of course.

Of course it's easy to disagree on this matter so I'll just leave it as it is... and I curse myself for not getting episode 15 when it was hot, now the torrent's most positively dead...

Well the Chinese sub is still active

Btw EP15 rox, the emotion is just tense in there..

MrProphet · 2006-12-19, 15:29

I've seen Recit 16 and it was simply gorgeous. Despite not having any crazy-ass animation, it looked and felt so good, so pretty, so well put together. The women looked hot and the men were gar. Everyone did their best on this episode, no doubt about it.

By the way, did Charles know about Saint-Germain's involvement in the Revolution before? I don't remember if he saw the Count with Orleans and Beaumarchais or not.

glyph · 2006-12-20, 10:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrProphet

Episode 13:

Another great episode, but several things amused me.

- For one thing, a Satanic church in the open view?

Medmenham Abbey and its weird cultists, apparently, were based on a real place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellfire_Club

Although, ...

Spoiler for recit 16:

P.S. Why do they keep referring to Queen Charlotte as "Marie"? Even the cast page lists her as "Marie Charlotte" instead of "Sophia Charlotte". An error?

MrProphet · 2006-12-21, 00:46

Interesting. So, Francis Dashwood is a historical figure. Cute. 8)

And yes, I've also found no evidence to suggest that Queen Sophia had "Marie" as one of her middle names.

But I wonder if they'll make the madness of King George as one of the manifestations of his dealings with Robespierre and Saint-Germain. 8))

lommm · 2006-12-21, 12:46

that would be hilarious and awesome!!! i can see george running through the halls in his underwear now!

Asrialys · 2006-12-21, 20:01

EDIT: My bad. Ignore what this post used to say if you saw it. Don't know why I was thinking Chevalier when I mentioned a download. It wasn't Chevalier.

Doria · 2006-12-22, 07:01

I was fairly surprised by the bit of fanservice in... uh, one of those Russia episodes, but it wasn't really true fanservice, I don't think.

ADV is pushing it very hard. I'll be interested to see how it does. And I definitely agree that its target audience is less likely to post in forums and the like. Also, if it would inherit anything, I'd think it more likely to inherit the Ergo Proxy audience, as I believe that's the show that was in the timeslot previous (feel free to correct me, if I've got that wrong). Like EP, it is also aired in HD and has similarly thought-provoking matters, if one cares to think about them.

I don't think the King actually saw Saint-Germain, but I'd be fairly surprised if doesn't know about SG's involvement. He seems pretty savvy, which makes the prospect of his eventual fate interesting for sure.

lommm, yes you are one of the ones who said that, but not the only one...

wao · 2006-12-22, 07:41

I think it is in a different timeslot but on the same channel nonetheless. EP's timeslot was, iirc, taken over by Kemonozume and then Tokyo Tribe2 if I'm not wrong... But yeah, it has roughly the same type of audience.

Is ADV really pushing this title? I don't really follow the American DVD release scene or anything but could you say how? Like is there a trailer or something?

MrProphet · 2006-12-22, 09:24

Chevalier is getting a rather fast release in the States. Almost right after it finishes airing in Japan, which is very swift by R1 standards.

MrProphet · 2006-12-27, 11:26

OH NOES-

Spoiler for Episode 17:

Can't wait till next week. Episode 17 turned out to be quite unexpected, all things considered. I never thought that they'd actually go this far this soon.

wao · 2006-12-27, 11:57

WHAT?!!!!

ΩΩΩ ＜なっなんだってー

Oh my god! That was kind of unexpected.

That's...

Okay that does it, I'm watching the episode now. Thanks as always for the caps and stuff.

Spoiler:

(Sorry that as usual I have absolutely nothing substantial to contribute and can only offer the usual silly response...)

MrProphet · 2006-12-27, 12:11

Yeah, I can't really say anything worthwhile either, these days. 8)

Oh, and I thought that Lorenzia was cool because

Spoiler:

Oh, and the chief animator for this episode really likes spinning the frame 360 degrees along the horizontal axis, since he/she did it several times during the episode. It was weird.

By the way, the cover for the American release of Chevalier D'Eon is made to look like Robespierre's book of sorcery. 8)

http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6...em/72565/4/0/0

wao · 2006-12-27, 13:38

That's a pretty cool design. It's kind of charmingly low-key in that it hardly pops out as an anime DVD at all. That's good, really. I guess this time aroudn the producers were quite perfectly aware of who really was going to watch this anime and wisely didn't consider making it more appealing in any way.

Though how on earth they will make a profit from it is an entirely different issue, I guess.

I suppose it reminds me of the whole feel of this series. You know, like it's very solid. Like a book. But not completely glossy; it's got bits of... 地味ness here and there, like the sometimes jarry looking CG which we just brush aside and the sometimes flat colour palette and the overly smooth panning in some parts and the typography of the show even... But maybe that's just me, I guess.

Well, thanks to the earthquake disrupting connections I have only finally got ep 17, but... I will not attempt to watch Chevalier of all shows at 2:35 am in the morning.

Edit: Going through a backlog of Chevalier episodes. Don't have anything insightful to share but I guess I'll write down what I thought of them

Spoiler for ep 15:

Now to watch ep 16 after the usual credits nonsense... (Ah! No wonder! It was co-storyboarded by the director! GJ!)

Episode 16 and 17 - Okay, this is where I wish someone would come in and be very nice and fill up the gaps. I have no idea what really went on. Okay, to be honest I guess I've been half-sleeping through a lot of the episodes... So is it roughly that

Spoiler:

If only I paid more attention to what people were saying instead of staring at the pwetty animation, really. :|

I don't have the motivation to rewatch and figure out what exactly has been going on, though...

Well, at least next episode looks VERY COOL though. I really hope some god like lommm would descend and enlighten the unlearned mortals like me about what exactly is going on...

Doria · 2006-12-28, 20:35

wao, sorry for the delay in response--silly holidays (haha)! I read an interview--maybe on ANN-- with ADV about the series they were most excited about, and Chev was the one the VP singled out. Which is some nice press for the series, for sure (and, I'm sure, not an answer given w/o the okay of marketing).

lommm · 2006-12-31, 07:02

um...

i will do so very soon. i haven't even seen ep 17 yet. i think i will go back and watch 13-17 tomorrow or maybe on new year's day, as it always seems like stores and things are closed, so there's nothing to do on the 1st. then i will post. wao, you don't sound like your that far off. but nonetheless, i notice that more people discussed the series when i posted summaries, so maybe i'll make one big summary of the England arc to date. you know, try to put the most important parts for understanding purposes. it might be a couple of days. after tomorrow night, i might wake up in some strange land and have to make my way back home with the help of my talking motorcycle.

...erm...

EDIT: wow! that dvd looks much cooler than the jp release. i'm totally buying that the day it comes out. i know i should spend my money on something else, but this is a series i really want to be able to watch on a big screen with 7.1 sound!

EDIT2: "This title will be released on February 20, 2007." So sayeth amazon, and the lord made it so.

Doria · 2007-01-02, 16:57

I plan to buy it when it comes out! I can't wait!!

Ah, to have a talking motorcycle... I've got to finish reading that novel...

2006-12-16, 00:46	Link #281
wao OK. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Fields of High Attus Age: 34	I think this is only superficially similar to Blood+... Perhaps those who wanted something more serious and well-executed from BLood+ and were disappointed (like me), are watching this. But I think this might be too boring to people who liked Blood+. Heck, it even bores me sometimes (though that's not saying much...) I don't think it's that this show has a very small number of fans though, it's just that a lot of them are probably the type that don't join forums and talk about them. And I guess it is hard to digest without the clarifying text, which got dropped/delayed since this is licensed, which provides another barrier... But I think there's nothing wrong with having a small fanbase at all. Speaking of which though, I really must get around to watchign ep 15, MrProphet's description of it got me interested, and I'm up for anything about the Maximilien-Durand-Lia thing. This sort of show isn't the type that I rush out to watch as soon as it comes out but the type that I eventually do get around to watching in bits and pieces with enough time to think about it/figure out what's going on. __________________ Thanks for the fish

2006-12-18, 05:22	Link #284
wao OK. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Fields of High Attus Age: 34	Well, to be honest, I think this show has buckletloads of tasteful moe if you know where to look (and if you're a girl), except that nobody makes a big deal about it, which is all nice and fine of course. Of course it's easy to disagree on this matter so I'll just leave it as it is... and I curse myself for not getting episode 15 when it was hot, now the torrent's most positively dead... __________________ Thanks for the fish

2006-12-21, 20:01	Link #290
Asrialys Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: California Age: 36	EDIT: My bad. Ignore what this post used to say if you saw it. Don't know why I was thinking Chevalier when I mentioned a download. It wasn't Chevalier. Last edited by Asrialys; 2006-12-21 at 20:23.

2006-12-22, 07:41	Link #292
wao OK. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Fields of High Attus Age: 34	I think it is in a different timeslot but on the same channel nonetheless. EP's timeslot was, iirc, taken over by Kemonozume and then Tokyo Tribe2 if I'm not wrong... But yeah, it has roughly the same type of audience. Is ADV really pushing this title? I don't really follow the American DVD release scene or anything but could you say how? Like is there a trailer or something? __________________ Thanks for the fish

2006-12-27, 11:26	Link #294
MrProphet The Commissar Vanishes Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tallinn, Estonia Age: 41	OH NOES- Spoiler for Episode 17: they've killed Maximilien!!! BASTARDS! Robespierre proves to be far more hardcore than I've expected from a pansy like that, but in the end even he succumbs to Dashwood and his monks, as the two have a magic duel in the Medmenham Abbey. Lia is unable to save her dear Maximilien as the 4 heroes (Durand was freed on the Queen's orders) are intercepted by Sandwich and his band of Gargoyles. That was one kick-ass episode. Robespierre almost did it, but Lia is certainly going to finish the job next time. Dashwood should be dead meat (unless he proves to be an elusive bastard like Voronzoff). Can't wait till next week. Episode 17 turned out to be quite unexpected, all things considered. I never thought that they'd actually go this far this soon.

2006-12-16, 16:32	Link #282
MrProphet The Commissar Vanishes Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tallinn, Estonia Age: 41	I don't find it anything at all similar to Blood+. The latter is a very "fanservisey" series, since "schoolgirls with katanas" are very moe and chic for quite a number of fans. Chevalier is very different since: a) It has no Japanese, b) It features unfamiliar historical settings, c) It has no obvious moe factor or a fandom cliche. Thus the lack of major interest from Japanese folks. Still, I think ADV Films is betting on it to get a bit more popular in the West, since it got licensed and will be released so fast.

2006-12-18, 04:59	Link #283
lommm l'homme de lommm Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 34 3 118 15	yeah, i guess i just meant based on some of the style and that production i g did both... i totally agree, though. it's a show that will do much better in the west than it does in japan. i guess that's why adv is fast tracking it and coyote ragtime... both seem more european (or american, in coyote's case) btw, anyone seen ep 16: "Where the Soul Lies" yet?

2006-12-19, 15:29	Link #286
MrProphet The Commissar Vanishes Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tallinn, Estonia Age: 41	I've seen Recit 16 and it was simply gorgeous. Despite not having any crazy-ass animation, it looked and felt so good, so pretty, so well put together. The women looked hot and the men were gar. Everyone did their best on this episode, no doubt about it. By the way, did Charles know about Saint-Germain's involvement in the Revolution before? I don't remember if he saw the Count with Orleans and Beaumarchais or not.

2006-12-21, 00:46	Link #288
MrProphet The Commissar Vanishes Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tallinn, Estonia Age: 41	Interesting. So, Francis Dashwood is a historical figure. Cute. 8) And yes, I've also found no evidence to suggest that Queen Sophia had "Marie" as one of her middle names. But I wonder if they'll make the madness of King George as one of the manifestations of his dealings with Robespierre and Saint-Germain. 8))

2006-12-21, 12:46	Link #289
lommm l'homme de lommm Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 34 3 118 15	that would be hilarious and awesome!!! i can see george running through the halls in his underwear now!

2006-12-22, 07:01	Link #291
Doria Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006	I was fairly surprised by the bit of fanservice in... uh, one of those Russia episodes, but it wasn't really true fanservice, I don't think. ADV is pushing it very hard. I'll be interested to see how it does. And I definitely agree that its target audience is less likely to post in forums and the like. Also, if it would inherit anything, I'd think it more likely to inherit the Ergo Proxy audience, as I believe that's the show that was in the timeslot previous (feel free to correct me, if I've got that wrong). Like EP, it is also aired in HD and has similarly thought-provoking matters, if one cares to think about them. I don't think the King actually saw Saint-Germain, but I'd be fairly surprised if doesn't know about SG's involvement. He seems pretty savvy, which makes the prospect of his eventual fate interesting for sure. lommm, yes you are one of the ones who said that, but not the only one...

2006-12-22, 09:24	Link #293
MrProphet The Commissar Vanishes Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tallinn, Estonia Age: 41	Chevalier is getting a rather fast release in the States. Almost right after it finishes airing in Japan, which is very swift by R1 standards.

2006-12-27, 11:57	Link #295
wao OK. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Fields of High Attus Age: 34	WHAT?!!!! ΩΩΩ ＜なっなんだってー Oh my god! That was kind of unexpected. That's... Okay that does it, I'm watching the episode now. Thanks as always for the caps and stuff. Spoiler: On one hand I'm kind of sad cos I did want to see more of him and stuff, but on the other I'm interested in seeing what the heck is going to happen now. I thought he'd be the penultimate boss or something! He isn't?! Cool. (Sorry that as usual I have absolutely nothing substantial to contribute and can only offer the usual silly response...) __________________ Thanks for the fish

2006-12-27, 12:11	Link #296
MrProphet The Commissar Vanishes Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tallinn, Estonia Age: 41	Yeah, I can't really say anything worthwhile either, these days. 8) Oh, and I thought that Lorenzia was cool because Spoiler: she helped Robespierre even though it had nothing to do with her or Cagliostro and Dashwood was obviously a lot more powerful than her. It was a good gesture. There was really good unspoken chemistry between Lorenzia and Maximilien these past episodes. They sort of look at each other... curiously. Not implying anything sexual, but more like... respect. Or admiration. I liked that. Oh, and the chief animator for this episode really likes spinning the frame 360 degrees along the horizontal axis, since he/she did it several times during the episode. It was weird. By the way, the cover for the American release of Chevalier D'Eon is made to look like Robespierre's book of sorcery. 8) http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6...em/72565/4/0/0

2006-12-27, 13:38	Link #297
wao OK. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Fields of High Attus Age: 34	That's a pretty cool design. It's kind of charmingly low-key in that it hardly pops out as an anime DVD at all. That's good, really. I guess this time aroudn the producers were quite perfectly aware of who really was going to watch this anime and wisely didn't consider making it more appealing in any way. Though how on earth they will make a profit from it is an entirely different issue, I guess. I suppose it reminds me of the whole feel of this series. You know, like it's very solid. Like a book. But not completely glossy; it's got bits of... 地味ness here and there, like the sometimes jarry looking CG which we just brush aside and the sometimes flat colour palette and the overly smooth panning in some parts and the typography of the show even... But maybe that's just me, I guess. Well, thanks to the earthquake disrupting connections I have only finally got ep 17, but... I will not attempt to watch Chevalier of all shows at 2:35 am in the morning. Edit: Going through a backlog of Chevalier episodes. Don't have anything insightful to share but I guess I'll write down what I thought of them Spoiler for ep 15: Some parts of it did feel draggy, but it firmed up my belief that one of the charming things about this show is that it's.... cute. In this very strange way. Like the camera angles when Robin and Telliagory were talking, and that fat guy whose name I forgot. His lines when he got the wine were really smile-inducing, and the way he kicked that door shut - it's a totally superfluous detail, but it just adds so much charm to his character and it's things like these that make me keep watching. And am I the only one who thought whatshername, Lorenzia's "hima" line was awfully adorable? The way she kind of ran off from that guy and all... In another universe I think I'd be moeing all over this but I guess that's not to be, still I appreciate it nonetheless, since the hard and dry parts are not completely gripping me to be honest. But this episode also had some nice emotional bits too - the part where the three were hearing Duran getting attacked was particularly great. D'Eon's enraged reaction was excellent! I rewatched it twice. It had me on the edge of my seat. And Robespierre catching the fallen Durand was an unexpectedly nice touch; it felt a bit painful. Especially the way Robespierre said his lines. The camerawork when Robespierre appeared for a brief moment in front of D'Eon was nice too. Now to watch ep 16 after the usual credits nonsense... (Ah! No wonder! It was co-storyboarded by the director! GJ!) Episode 16 and 17 - Okay, this is where I wish someone would come in and be very nice and fill up the gaps. I have no idea what really went on. Okay, to be honest I guess I've been half-sleeping through a lot of the episodes... So is it roughly that Spoiler: Maximilien and Lia used to wield power from sorcery and texts like that, in cahoots with Dashwood and Saint-Germain, but they became ev0l and used the... the Ouke no Shi (what was it in English again...) for... bad purposes? Or something? And Lia decided to separate form them and she got killed? I have evidently forgotten a lot of key things in between... -_- But I'm getting worried about D'Eon. His lips are starting to change... And Queen Mary is very frightening; she must be having the hots for D'Eon I swear. If only I paid more attention to what people were saying instead of staring at the pwetty animation, really. :\| I don't have the motivation to rewatch and figure out what exactly has been going on, though... Well, at least next episode looks VERY COOL though. I really hope some god like lommm would descend and enlighten the unlearned mortals like me about what exactly is going on... __________________ Thanks for the fish Last edited by wao; 2006-12-28 at 11:33.

2006-12-28, 20:35	Link #298
Doria Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006	wao, sorry for the delay in response--silly holidays (haha)! I read an interview--maybe on ANN-- with ADV about the series they were most excited about, and Chev was the one the VP singled out. Which is some nice press for the series, for sure (and, I'm sure, not an answer given w/o the okay of marketing).

2006-12-31, 07:02	Link #299
lommm l'homme de lommm Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: 34 3 118 15	um... i will do so very soon. i haven't even seen ep 17 yet. i think i will go back and watch 13-17 tomorrow or maybe on new year's day, as it always seems like stores and things are closed, so there's nothing to do on the 1st. then i will post. wao, you don't sound like your that far off. but nonetheless, i notice that more people discussed the series when i posted summaries, so maybe i'll make one big summary of the England arc to date. you know, try to put the most important parts for understanding purposes. it might be a couple of days. after tomorrow night, i might wake up in some strange land and have to make my way back home with the help of my talking motorcycle. ...erm... EDIT: wow! that dvd looks much cooler than the jp release. i'm totally buying that the day it comes out. i know i should spend my money on something else, but this is a series i really want to be able to watch on a big screen with 7.1 sound! EDIT2: "This title will be released on February 20, 2007." So sayeth amazon, and the lord made it so.

2007-01-02, 16:57	Link #300
Doria Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006	I plan to buy it when it comes out! I can't wait!! Ah, to have a talking motorcycle... I've got to finish reading that novel...