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SeijiSensei · 2006-12-20, 11:28

I just wanted to show how there could be happy ending without Satou and Misaki "walking hand-in-hand into the sunset" as Sorrow-K put it. I also wanted to include both Megumi and Kashiwa in there because I don't feel like their stories were really completed, especially Megumi's. And, of course, no ending would be complete without an appearance by Puru.

I'd have to agree with Shiroth, though. It's not a very "NHK" ending, but then neither is a Satou x Misaki happily-ever-after ending, at least not in the overall context of the series up to now. That's why I'd find a traditional happy ending very disconcerting.

Shiroth · 2006-12-20, 11:43

Its good to hear that someone else understands. ^^;;

In this case, its where i believe a happy ending wasen't 100% needed to finish the show.. but its an anime, so i believe in someway they think they have to have a happy ending - for GONZO it works out perfect. Like my disliking for what happened with Kashiwa-senpai in episode 22 - it just didn't feel right at all. The scenes with Satou imagining the affair with her worked out fine.. its just everything else - and adding that she'd be a mother just isn't right at all. Then again - her appearance in Satou's mind for episode 23 was pure NHK genius.

Radiosity · 2006-12-20, 11:48

Oh aye, I agree it's a little too idealistic for NHK, but it'd still be nice to see maybe as an OAV finisher or something. A positive 'if you try, you can pull yourself back from the brink of disaster' style ending, much like the brother (forget his name) who nearly starved and ended up breaking his hikki ways and going out to work.

It's not like it'll happen, but it's a nice thought nonetheless

npal · 2006-12-20, 12:15

The problem with your proposed ending of course is that not many people spend their last money in the bank to run after someone who wants to commit suicide, unless that someone is of major importance to them. A standard response would be to alert the hospital, alert the authorities and if you want to make certain yourself, have her uncle transport you there or something. Satou's response seems too passionate to me.

SeijiSensei · 2006-12-20, 12:26

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Originally Posted by npal

Satou's response seems too passionate to me.

Good points. Do you mean "too passionate" in that he truly loves her, or that his response is too passionate to be believeable? It's not hard to imagine that Satou feels responsible for Misaki's plunge into suicide thinking it's because he rejected her. I think Satou does care about Misaki at some level but still doesn't feel like he's "in love" with her or that he wants to spend the rest of his life with her. As far as I can tell, he made no effort to contact Misaki after they parted company in the park that night.

Shiroth · 2006-12-20, 12:32

Seeing as though Satou understands that any other way apart from him rushing to the scene would be to late, i believe what he's done makes a lot of sense.

npal · 2006-12-20, 12:42

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Originally Posted by SeijiSensei

Good points. Do you mean "too passionate" in that he truly loves her, or that his response is too passionate to be believeable? It's not hard to imagine that Satou feels responsible for Misaki's plunge into suicide thinking it's because he rejected her. I think Satou does care about Misaki at some level but still doesn't feel like he's "in love" with her or that he wants to spend the rest of his life with her. As far as I can tell, he made no effort to contact Misaki after they parted company in the park that night.

Well both actually. I mean, since he didn't sign her contract, they have to explain WHY he didn't sign it if he loves her. If he doesn't, why is he running like crazy?

tehwizrd · 2006-12-20, 12:53

I do not like the way NHK is ending at all, I liked the manga much better. The series was good, and they put it all together pretty well, but I just don't like the way they're choosing to end it. Just my 2¢'s.

Vicke · 2006-12-20, 13:16

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Originally Posted by npal

Well both actually. I mean, since he didn't sign her contract, they have to explain WHY he didn't sign it if he loves her. If he doesn't, why is he running like crazy?

Maybe Satou feels that he doesnt deserve Misaki, thats why he didnt sign the contract.

Shiroth · 2006-12-20, 13:17

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Originally Posted by npal

Well both actually. I mean, since he didn't sign her contract, they have to explain WHY he didn't sign it if he loves her. If he doesn't, why is he running like crazy?

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Not everything has to be resolved with love. Also,

Spoiler:

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Originally Posted by tehwizrd

I do not like the way NHK is ending at all, I liked the manga much better. The series was good, and they put it all together pretty well, but I just don't like the way they're choosing to end it. Just my 2¢'s.

I agree with you to a certain content - but you have to look at it that is is just another version of the story - the Novel, Manga & now anime all are different in many ways.

Deathkillz · 2006-12-20, 13:59

okey okey im mentally weak

i caved into the RAW >.<
anyways lets see what happens

ep24 (final)

Spoiler:

absolutly amazing O.o

and even seeing the clips in the ED song makes it all the better

its always sad to say goodbye to a series and this is no different...its been one hell of a journey ~ with ups and downs and seriously it has been fun

the end was just...nothing too conclusive...well that just gives room for our imaginations to do some work but overall we see everyone changing for the better ~ which is a good thing

npal · 2006-12-20, 14:17

Shame on you for watching the raw and putting it on spoiler

After reading the spoiler, here is my comment

Spoiler:

Kisuke06 · 2006-12-20, 16:26

I just watched episode 23. A very good episode. The same thing that happened with ToroToro(I forgot his name, I just remember his nickname on the game lol) happened with Satou... if you want to keep living, you have to work. It looks like his days as hikikomori are already over.

Misaki has quite a past... and now she thinks of killing herself? OMG, the final episode is going to be awesome!

Phlaw · 2006-12-20, 21:00

23 is out to download now.. WOOT WOOT...

anyon know when 24 should be out?

d/l'ing 23 as we speak, will let you know my thoughts on it afterwards

Phlaw · 2006-12-20, 21:49

Wow, just wow.

an incredible episode to say the least, here is a couple things i thought of

1. Why does Satou say hes not lonely and runs away. and then later after his friends talk to him in his room (via his imagination) and he discoveres its because his inability to truly discover his failure as a human. But in reality does that happen? I mean the scenario alone is a little farfetched to be put in that predicament, but if you were in that situation, and you had someone who loved you like Misaki does, would you really run away from that? Would you really run away from the only person you had?

2. The catfood and the flower on the cats grave made me sad

3. why doesnt Satou go to see Masaki Earlier, rather then happenstance of being picked up by her uncle?

4. WHEN WILL I BE ABLE TO SEE 24! ahhhh!

--- --------- ----------- --------

Anyone who watched this anime, and might have seen Love Hina as well have a suggestion of what Anime i should move to next, though I will of course continue to buy the manga when it comes out, its nice to watch something else as well. i'd hate for another 2 year gap like I did with Love Hina

Thank you in advance

Phlaw · 2006-12-20, 21:53

also

excuse me if im being repetitive with some questions, involving the story line, i refuse to read some of your post because it reveals spoilers from the next episode, and there is nothing i hate more then spoilers >.<

Shiroth · 2006-12-20, 22:02

1: There is no need for you to do three posts - you can edit your original post.

2: You'll have the subbed version of episode 24 when it is released.

tritoch · 2006-12-20, 22:27

Its just about finding a niche where people can be themselves and become truly happy.

"Somebody to love"

issei · 2006-12-21, 21:28

brief thoughts on ep 24:

Spoiler:

as people have been saying throughout the thread, i definitely recommend judging the anime series on its own merits, and as a separate body of work from the manga and novel (though, of course, heavily inspired by them). with that in mind, despite some hiccups in animation quality and one arc that dragged for me (kobayashi), NHK ni youkoso is very much a standout series.

Kezane · 2006-12-22, 01:41

Novel:

Spoiler:

2006-12-20, 11:43	Link #1322
Shiroth Beautiful fighter. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: England, UK Age: 37	Its good to hear that someone else understands. ^^;; In this case, its where i believe a happy ending wasen't 100% needed to finish the show.. but its an anime, so i believe in someway they think they have to have a happy ending - for GONZO it works out perfect. Like my disliking for what happened with Kashiwa-senpai in episode 22 - it just didn't feel right at all. The scenes with Satou imagining the affair with her worked out fine.. its just everything else - and adding that she'd be a mother just isn't right at all. Then again - her appearance in Satou's mind for episode 23 was pure NHK genius. __________________ MyAnimeList Twitter

2006-12-20, 12:15	Link #1324
npal I desire Tomorrow! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: As far away from reality as possible Age: 41	The problem with your proposed ending of course is that not many people spend their last money in the bank to run after someone who wants to commit suicide, unless that someone is of major importance to them. A standard response would be to alert the hospital, alert the authorities and if you want to make certain yourself, have her uncle transport you there or something. Satou's response seems too passionate to me. __________________

2006-12-20, 12:32	Link #1326
Shiroth Beautiful fighter. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: England, UK Age: 37	Seeing as though Satou understands that any other way apart from him rushing to the scene would be to late, i believe what he's done makes a lot of sense. __________________ MyAnimeList Twitter

2006-12-20, 13:59	Link #1331
Deathkillz ~ You're dead ^__^* ~ Graphic Designer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: uk, England Age: 34	okey okey im mentally weak i caved into the RAW >.< anyways lets see what happens ep24 (final) Spoiler: here we have it...satou chasing after misaki on a train while reflecting on how he treated to misaki which could have lead to the situation ahead of him ~ he takes a taxi and heads to the cliff ~ he reaches the place but misaki isnt there...he thinks "what if" questions... after a while misaki speaks up behind him ~ she refuses to go back even if satou asks her...her mind is made up ~ telling satou all about her past she explains that she can no longer go back ~ the project was just drawn up to make her feel good she explains...but it failed as satou lost his hikki ways... she then leans on the ledge of the cliff...satou tries to persuade her by even saying that he loves her...it doesnt work satou begs her not to die...but she drops saying "goodbye" ~ holy did that scare me O.o...satou saves her (just barely) ~ satou is beginning to break free from his internal illusions...he fights back whatever imagination he spawns... inbou! satou flips and goes off to kill the NHK agent (?) ~ but he admits that he loves misaki...and he ends off making a heroic jump off the cliff ~ however he was saved by a safety grid around the edge of the cliff ~ is dramatic end failed misaki ~ emotionally shocked slaps satou and the cries on his chest...and they walk off together...in kicks emotional music misaki takes satou to her old home for shelter...and their the spent the night side by side... ~ days later ~ satou...recieves letters from yamazaki and Kashiwa ~ they are all doing well...which is a contrast to satou in his opinion well satou then heads out for work...he thinks to himself "all i can do is try my best" misaki and satou still works together...to strive for a better future... "NHK ni youkoso" absolutly amazing O.o and even seeing the clips in the ED song makes it all the better its always sad to say goodbye to a series and this is no different...its been one hell of a journey ~ with ups and downs and seriously it has been fun the end was just...nothing too conclusive...well that just gives room for our imaginations to do some work but overall we see everyone changing for the better ~ which is a good thing __________________ Siggy: hohohohoho~ \| AnimeHistory welcome to our blog ~ \| Summer2009 early review Under the radar series Summer2009: Kanamemo, GA Geijutsuka Art, NEEDLESS

2006-12-20, 14:17	Link #1332
npal I desire Tomorrow! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: As far away from reality as possible Age: 41	Shame on you for watching the raw and putting it on spoiler After reading the spoiler, here is my comment Spoiler: __________________

2006-12-20, 11:28	Link #1321
SeijiSensei AS Oji-kun Join Date: Nov 2006 Age: 74	I just wanted to show how there could be happy ending without Satou and Misaki "walking hand-in-hand into the sunset" as Sorrow-K put it. I also wanted to include both Megumi and Kashiwa in there because I don't feel like their stories were really completed, especially Megumi's. And, of course, no ending would be complete without an appearance by Puru. I'd have to agree with Shiroth, though. It's not a very "NHK" ending, but then neither is a Satou x Misaki happily-ever-after ending, at least not in the overall context of the series up to now. That's why I'd find a traditional happy ending very disconcerting.

2006-12-20, 11:48	Link #1323
Radiosity Sexy Tornado Artist Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The European Bunion Age: 45	Oh aye, I agree it's a little too idealistic for NHK, but it'd still be nice to see maybe as an OAV finisher or something. A positive 'if you try, you can pull yourself back from the brink of disaster' style ending, much like the brother (forget his name) who nearly starved and ended up breaking his hikki ways and going out to work. It's not like it'll happen, but it's a nice thought nonetheless

2006-12-20, 12:53	Link #1328
tehwizrd Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006	I do not like the way NHK is ending at all, I liked the manga much better. The series was good, and they put it all together pretty well, but I just don't like the way they're choosing to end it. Just my 2¢'s.

2006-12-20, 16:26	Link #1333
Kisuke06 I see... Join Date: Jun 2006 Age: 34	I just watched episode 23. A very good episode. The same thing that happened with ToroToro(I forgot his name, I just remember his nickname on the game lol) happened with Satou... if you want to keep living, you have to work. It looks like his days as hikikomori are already over. Misaki has quite a past... and now she thinks of killing herself? OMG, the final episode is going to be awesome!

2006-12-20, 21:00	Link #1334
Phlaw Romance Anime Demi-God Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dallas. Tx Age: 40	Omg 23 is out to download now.. WOOT WOOT... anyon know when 24 should be out? d/l'ing 23 as we speak, will let you know my thoughts on it afterwards

2006-12-20, 21:49	Link #1335
Phlaw Romance Anime Demi-God Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dallas. Tx Age: 40	Wow, just wow. an incredible episode to say the least, here is a couple things i thought of 1. Why does Satou say hes not lonely and runs away. and then later after his friends talk to him in his room (via his imagination) and he discoveres its because his inability to truly discover his failure as a human. But in reality does that happen? I mean the scenario alone is a little farfetched to be put in that predicament, but if you were in that situation, and you had someone who loved you like Misaki does, would you really run away from that? Would you really run away from the only person you had? 2. The catfood and the flower on the cats grave made me sad 3. why doesnt Satou go to see Masaki Earlier, rather then happenstance of being picked up by her uncle? 4. WHEN WILL I BE ABLE TO SEE 24! ahhhh! --- --------- ----------- -------- Anyone who watched this anime, and might have seen Love Hina as well have a suggestion of what Anime i should move to next, though I will of course continue to buy the manga when it comes out, its nice to watch something else as well. i'd hate for another 2 year gap like I did with Love Hina Thank you in advance Last edited by Phlaw; 2006-12-20 at 21:51. Reason: one more thing i thought of

2006-12-20, 21:53	Link #1336
Phlaw Romance Anime Demi-God Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dallas. Tx Age: 40	also excuse me if im being repetitive with some questions, involving the story line, i refuse to read some of your post because it reveals spoilers from the next episode, and there is nothing i hate more then spoilers >.<

2006-12-20, 22:02	Link #1337
Shiroth Beautiful fighter. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: England, UK Age: 37	1: There is no need for you to do three posts - you can edit your original post. 2: You'll have the subbed version of episode 24 when it is released. __________________ MyAnimeList Twitter

2006-12-20, 22:27	Link #1338
tritoch 神 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Chi-town	Its just about finding a niche where people can be themselves and become truly happy. "Somebody to love"

2006-12-21, 21:28	Link #1339
issei Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: California, USA	brief thoughts on ep 24: Spoiler: a suitably emotional, but not too saccharine, ending to a great series. the highlights of the episode for me were, in no particular order: - seeing satou kick aside and stomp the little conspiracy guys. - satou catching misaki. - misaki hitting satou while in tears. there's no kiss, but it would've been slightly out of place anyway. as people have been saying throughout the thread, i definitely recommend judging the anime series on its own merits, and as a separate body of work from the manga and novel (though, of course, heavily inspired by them). with that in mind, despite some hiccups in animation quality and one arc that dragged for me (kobayashi), NHK ni youkoso is very much a standout series. __________________ http://www.wpham.com/blog

2006-12-22, 01:41	Link #1340
Kezane Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006	Novel: Spoiler: In the novel, the ending has Misaki handing Satou a new contract/form to join (as far as I can translate) a Nihon Hostage(exchange) Kyoukai, where they each hold their own lives so the other wouldn't commit suicide, as well as to force both of them to improve their lives or something. This happens when the two of them spend the night together after the whole suicide thing.