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patgarci · 2007-04-26, 14:31

What would happen if any of the seed characters that can go to seed mode and use the zero system at the same time what would be the result?what can be the potential possibilities in terms of pilot skills etc.?

maohayato · 2007-04-26, 17:10

you'd get psychopaths going on an almost unstoppable killing rampage.

and lots of pink clouds

RX-93 HI-NU · 2007-04-26, 18:13

As both elements seem to boost reaction time, it would just make a person have insane reaction time, but not negative reaction time as is the case of newtypes.

Phantom-Takaya · 2007-04-26, 22:07

First, the mental strain by the Zero System wouldn't be so fun. If they get accustomed to it, then the enemies need to run away...fast... Especially when you hear the pilot mumbling, "Who is my enemy?" repeatedly...

Jays · 2007-04-26, 22:33

"This ability is usually triggered by extreme situations or from recalling significant traumas, often arising out of a need to protect someone else in a critical situation."

That's in reference to SEED mode, so in other words it's an emotional reaction.

With that being said, I agree with what someone else said, they would be uncontrollable killing machines. Take a look at Quatre when he first piloted the Wing Zero, he was angry and the ZERO system warped his mind. His fathers death significantly impacted him, and this caused him to go "insane".

However, Heero, whom we can say has mastered the ZERO system, says that there is nothing wrong with following your emotions, I would assume that he also ment to say as long as you can keep them in check.

So in other words, they aren't a good mix.

M_Flores · 2007-04-28, 08:39

The effects of SEED mode is not as clearly defined as the ZERO System, so we can only come up with certain speculations.

The ZERO System is basically something that uploads a shitload of data to your brain, so much that it can drive you crazy if your own thoughts conflict with the system's calculations. This can trigger all sorts of emotions which can be a valid impetus to go into SEED mode. Since SEED mode usually hints that a pilot surpasses his/her conventional limits, I'd say that SEED mode keeps the pilot in check while ZERO System is active.
Apparently, a master of the ZERO System has supreme concentration, eliminating all distractions (as the wonderful Trieze quote notes, "There is nothing more beautiful than a warrior without distractions.").
What I'm thinking is, SEED mode gives you that extra burst in order to do what you usually can't, while ZERO gives you the strategies and calculations for the best way to slay your target.
So my point is, I think all SEED mode will do in relation to the ZERO System is allow the pilot to master it (if he/she can't). It's a dangerous combo, but in the end, its not that a significant of an advantage compared to shit like Newtypism or anything like that.

willem113 · 2007-04-28, 09:44

If you used these in combination with eachother the reaction time of the pilot would go beyond what any MS could handel.
And therefor the MS and the pilot would be in conflict with eachother and probly make a hudge mistake and end up dying in the process.

JanthraX^ · 2007-05-08, 10:03

Seed Mode + ZERO System + EXAM (Blue Destiny Side story)
now that would be a scary combination

kaito-kid · 2007-05-08, 16:18

EXAM system? what is it? and how dose it work?

and this seed mode x zero system sounds stupid btw

jianfish · 2007-05-11, 09:53

KIRA mode ftw.

Zenemis · 2007-05-18, 09:13

Indeed, Kira should have a miniature/chibi version of him fall and burst instead...?

supperrfreek · 2007-05-19, 20:41

Insane reaction time, and people going nuts that just about sums it up.

Frostsaber · 2007-05-21, 00:44

Really scary combination XD

supperrfreek · 2007-05-21, 15:22

Indeed but the pilot's brain would probably be destroyed after a small period of time.

Phantom-Takaya · 2007-05-21, 16:24

Zero doesn't destroy those with a strong mind and know control.

qx123 · 2007-05-24, 11:04

Kira with zero system == gg.

Imagine Kira using zero system to command all those orb murasame. Each murasame as though it is kira piloting them. I guess just 5 of them would wheck havoc.

Just as Zechs using 3 Virgo vs the gundam boys minus Heero Yuy

2H-Dragon · 2007-05-24, 11:30

Kira is god anyhow and there isn't anything above god so what's teh point?

gundam wizard nite · 2007-05-31, 07:39

now that is the greatest thing ever

hattori666 · 2007-05-31, 09:04

Lol. SEED mode and ZERO system are different. SEED mode only increase your reaction time just like the ZERO system but at least it doesn't drive you crazy. Though it's kinda interesting to see what would happen if Kira, Athrun, or Shinn ever used the ZERO system. They will probably be confused due to the ZERO system, but knowing Shinn he'll probably lash out at everyone. :P

Phantom-Takaya · 2007-06-01, 23:41

Shinn attacking everyone is a give in. He'd attack everyone even outside of Zero's influence.

As for SEED mode increasing reaction time, I just watched both series in the past few days to see if I can understand SEED a little further and I don't see it increasing reaction time. Anything close to "increased reaction" is the higher level of concentration during SEED mode.

2007-04-26, 14:31	Link #1
patgarci Member Join Date: Apr 2007	seed mode + zero system = ____ What would happen if any of the seed characters that can go to seed mode and use the zero system at the same time what would be the result?what can be the potential possibilities in terms of pilot skills etc.?

2007-05-08, 16:18	Link #9
kaito-kid As I make you stop, think Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Europe - The Netherlands Age: 34	EXAM system? what is it? and how dose it work? and this seed mode x zero system sounds stupid btw __________________

2007-05-18, 09:13	Link #11
Zenemis Megabuddy IT Support Join Date: May 2006 Location: Perth, Australia. Age: 16	Indeed, Kira should have a miniature/chibi version of him fall and burst instead...? __________________

2007-04-26, 17:10	Link #2
maohayato Evil God Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: darkness	you'd get psychopaths going on an almost unstoppable killing rampage. and lots of pink clouds

2007-04-26, 18:13	Link #3
RX-93 HI-NU Awesome Join Date: Dec 2005	As both elements seem to boost reaction time, it would just make a person have insane reaction time, but not negative reaction time as is the case of newtypes.

2007-04-26, 22:07	Link #4
Phantom-Takaya INTJ IT Support Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Age: 41	First, the mental strain by the Zero System wouldn't be so fun. If they get accustomed to it, then the enemies need to run away...fast... Especially when you hear the pilot mumbling, "Who is my enemy?" repeatedly...

2007-04-26, 22:33	Link #5
Jays Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hockey Nation	"This ability is usually triggered by extreme situations or from recalling significant traumas, often arising out of a need to protect someone else in a critical situation." That's in reference to SEED mode, so in other words it's an emotional reaction. With that being said, I agree with what someone else said, they would be uncontrollable killing machines. Take a look at Quatre when he first piloted the Wing Zero, he was angry and the ZERO system warped his mind. His fathers death significantly impacted him, and this caused him to go "insane". However, Heero, whom we can say has mastered the ZERO system, says that there is nothing wrong with following your emotions, I would assume that he also ment to say as long as you can keep them in check. So in other words, they aren't a good mix.

2007-04-28, 08:39	Link #6
M_Flores Count of Monte Dorifto Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Isla De Monte Dorifto	The effects of SEED mode is not as clearly defined as the ZERO System, so we can only come up with certain speculations. The ZERO System is basically something that uploads a shitload of data to your brain, so much that it can drive you crazy if your own thoughts conflict with the system's calculations. This can trigger all sorts of emotions which can be a valid impetus to go into SEED mode. Since SEED mode usually hints that a pilot surpasses his/her conventional limits, I'd say that SEED mode keeps the pilot in check while ZERO System is active. Apparently, a master of the ZERO System has supreme concentration, eliminating all distractions (as the wonderful Trieze quote notes, "There is nothing more beautiful than a warrior without distractions."). What I'm thinking is, SEED mode gives you that extra burst in order to do what you usually can't, while ZERO gives you the strategies and calculations for the best way to slay your target. So my point is, I think all SEED mode will do in relation to the ZERO System is allow the pilot to master it (if he/she can't). It's a dangerous combo, but in the end, its not that a significant of an advantage compared to shit like Newtypism or anything like that.

2007-04-28, 09:44	Link #7
willem113 I wanna go peeping ^^ Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: in Holland smartest country in EU	If you used these in combination with eachother the reaction time of the pilot would go beyond what any MS could handel. And therefor the MS and the pilot would be in conflict with eachother and probly make a hudge mistake and end up dying in the process.

2007-05-08, 10:03	Link #8
JanthraX^ Ace Archer Join Date: Jan 2006 Age: 36	Seed Mode + ZERO System + EXAM (Blue Destiny Side story) now that would be a scary combination

2007-05-11, 09:53	Link #10
jianfish Looking for something Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Singapore	KIRA mode ftw.

2007-05-19, 20:41	Link #12
supperrfreek Professional Genius Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: you don't want to know	Insane reaction time, and people going nuts that just about sums it up.

2007-05-21, 00:44	Link #13
Frostsaber can't hit me :P Join Date: May 2007 Location: Philippines Age: 32	Really scary combination XD

2007-05-21, 15:22	Link #14
supperrfreek Professional Genius Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: you don't want to know	Indeed but the pilot's brain would probably be destroyed after a small period of time.

2007-05-21, 16:24	Link #15
Phantom-Takaya INTJ IT Support Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Age: 41	Zero doesn't destroy those with a strong mind and know control.

2007-05-24, 11:04	Link #16
qx123 Member Join Date: Mar 2007	Kira with zero system == gg. Imagine Kira using zero system to command all those orb murasame. Each murasame as though it is kira piloting them. I guess just 5 of them would wheck havoc. Just as Zechs using 3 Virgo vs the gundam boys minus Heero Yuy

2007-05-24, 11:30	Link #17
2H-Dragon Silent Warrior Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Netherlands Age: 38	Kira is god anyhow and there isn't anything above god so what's teh point?

2007-05-31, 07:39	Link #18
gundam wizard nite gundam wiz Join Date: May 2007	now that is the greatest thing ever

2007-05-31, 09:04	Link #19
hattori666 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In the pit of insanity Age: 35	Lol. SEED mode and ZERO system are different. SEED mode only increase your reaction time just like the ZERO system but at least it doesn't drive you crazy. Though it's kinda interesting to see what would happen if Kira, Athrun, or Shinn ever used the ZERO system. They will probably be confused due to the ZERO system, but knowing Shinn he'll probably lash out at everyone. :P

2007-06-01, 23:41	Link #20
Phantom-Takaya INTJ IT Support Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Alaska Age: 41	Shinn attacking everyone is a give in. He'd attack everyone even outside of Zero's influence. As for SEED mode increasing reaction time, I just watched both series in the past few days to see if I can understand SEED a little further and I don't see it increasing reaction time. Anything close to "increased reaction" is the higher level of concentration during SEED mode.